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08-04-2016, 02:50
Frugal Baggins

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Originally Posted by Pillz

you bunch of second rate losers.

more like a bunch of awesome winners
08-04-2016, 03:40
madtyres

Dont spend any money on this game. So shameful to read how you guys got treated
08-04-2016, 04:28
JusticeLeague

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Originally Posted by madtyres

Dont spend any money on this game. So shameful to read how you guys got treated

Already did by spending on 2 invites.
08-04-2016, 06:49
Korp

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Originally Posted by Alaric

What mistake? They broke no rules. Bishop admitted himself anyone can be deleted at any time for any reason.

Learn to english, post 323 he was just stating that he was thet one person handling things.

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Originally Posted by zsivhawk

In the civilized world we have an appeals system where a case can be heard by new judge who will review the facts and make a decision. Many times it is upholding the lower court's decision, but at least there is another person involved. In Utopia, the same guy who deals the initial punishment handles all appeals and you can never go past that level. I think they still do it that way in North Korea as well.

You must live in one ****ed up country if you anyone can walk up to the court hurl a bunch of insults towards the courtysystem then think they will look into anything you ask about. Why does it seem that everyone in Jesters are missing the point?
08-04-2016, 07:10
madtyres

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Originally Posted by JusticeLeague

Already did by spending on 2 invites.

yeah they love the game too much. makes it even more shameful, looking at the way they have been treated
08-04-2016, 07:15
Korp

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Originally Posted by madtyres

yeah they love the game too much. makes it even more shameful, looking at the way they have been treated

Yea, so shameful when someone sticks to the rule and doesnt make them bendable depending on who the people are...
08-04-2016, 07:16
pierniczek

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Originally Posted by Korp

Learn to english, post 323 he was just stating that he was thet one person handling things.

You must live in one ****ed up country if you anyone can walk up to the court hurl a bunch of insults towards the courtysystem then think they will look into anything you ask about. Why does it seem that everyone in Jesters are missing the point?

As already said before the 2 people in question acted as they should.

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Originally Posted by Palem

I think Krissy should be reinstated for being the most polite and reasonable person in the thread

but this is why I don't do support

And again:

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Originally Posted by pierniczek

Unless you want me to believe you can influence the verdicts of an Institution that should solely make decisions upon the letter of law?
08-04-2016, 07:20
Bishop

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Originally Posted by Cry0

Bishop was very clear. He is in charge of utopia and can do whatever he wants with no recourse.

While using the user agent string as opposed to only the IP address is definitely a less error prone way to identify xloggers, Krissy and Stever managed to create a loophole for themselves in the logic since they have identical hardware.

Nope, for the second time there are 4 cleary distinct devices registered, all 4 were accessed by both accounts.
08-04-2016, 07:22
Korp

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Originally Posted by pierniczek

As already said before the 2 people in question acted as they should.

And again:

And neither of those ive "argued" with has been one of those. :)
08-04-2016, 08:13
Bart of Sparta

Democracy or systems of control based on IRL do not work in utopia. Simple reason is that the consequences of misbehavior are so low. Worst penalty is IP ban, in which case u can either nit play anymore or u have to change your IP. I can tell ya, you can survive that.

Because of this Bishop canmot afford to write a court case for each situation nor should he be held to account by others. The fact that it is arbitrary (in a positive sense) is the sole reason the system works. soon as people get rights, they will use these rights to cheat legally. by keeping judgement with executive powers we keep cheating at a minimum.
08-04-2016, 09:54
texn

So it's impossible for me to recruit my 9 year old son too FS then? :/ 2bad he's more skilled than plenty of others in this game :(
08-04-2016, 11:27
wingding

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Originally Posted by texn

So it's impossible for me to recruit my 9 year old son too FS then? :/ 2bad he's more skilled than plenty of others in this game :(

You can, but you can't be dumb and play both on same comp/tablet...but in the case you do, be sure to take pictures showing you are two people, with multiple devices...I hear your argument is immensely helped doing this
08-04-2016, 11:30
Palem

Let's just get a few things straight

1. You can certainly play with someone you live with. Playing from the same location isn't against the rules. Xlogging and Multi'ing is.

2. Read the terms of service you agreed to/agree to with every login:

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Originally Posted by GameRules

http://wiki.utopia-game.com/index.php?title=Game_Rules
Account Suspension/Deletion

Your account may be suspended, modified or deleted at any time for any reason, with or without notice to you. In the event of suspension, modification or deletion of your account, you will not be entitled to a refund of any prior amounts that have been paid by you to purchase credits for your account. For purposes of explanation and not limitation, most account suspensions/deletions are the result of violations of the Code of Conduct.

Bishop can delete you if he if he thinks you should be deleted. That being said, do you wanna know why you don't hear much about Bishop deleting people he's lost in war to? It's because it doesn't happen. He's deleted his own kingdommates while in war. He cares the amount of exactly 0 where you play or who you are. If the system shows you're cheating, you'll be actioned.

3. Bishop isn't in any way affiliated with the Bishop's Little Ponies. Continuing to harp on this like it's some sort of a massive conspiracy theory against a kingdom that quite frankly nobody cares that much about makes you sound absolutely ridiculous.

Alright, now carry on bickering :)
08-04-2016, 12:29
chilly2342

I'll say it again. I DO NOT use her divices, she DOESN'T use my divices. We NEVER have and we NEVER will. We don't pass 4 divices around logging in and logging out just to fuk with Bishop.
08-04-2016, 13:38
wingding

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Originally Posted by chilly2342

I'll say it again. I DO NOT use her divices, she DOESN'T use my divices. We NEVER have and we NEVER will. We don't pass 4 divices around logging in and logging out just to fuk with Bishop.

confirmed ghost xlogs within their home, bishop should clearly reinstate
08-04-2016, 13:49
Noz

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Originally Posted by wingding

confirmed ghost xlogs within their home, bishop should clearly reinstate

Cant we get a ghost whisperer to confirm this?
08-04-2016, 14:46
wingding

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Originally Posted by Noz

Cant we get a ghost whisperer to confirm this?

Need that medium lady
08-04-2016, 14:49
Frugal Baggins

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Originally Posted by wingding

Need that medium lady

I think anyone from new jersey with alot of hairspray will do
08-04-2016, 15:04
Palem

I would prefer JLH.
08-04-2016, 15:09
wingding

I just want it to be noted that we are razing, not raze killing the xloggers who just came oop
08-04-2016, 15:15
Korp

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Originally Posted by wingding

I just want it to be noted that we are razing, not raze killing the xloggers who just came oop

Nobody gives a ****.
08-04-2016, 15:27
wingding

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Originally Posted by Korp

Nobody gives a ****.

They'll try to get outside help for it, just like the other ghetto
08-04-2016, 15:31
Korp

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Originally Posted by wingding

They'll try to get outside help for it, just like the other ghetto

You are all ghettos :/
08-04-2016, 15:34
Dr. Oppenheimer

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Originally Posted by wingding

I just want it to be noted that we are razing, not raze killing the xloggers who just came oop

From the outside looking in, Didn't Jesters beat your a** for being bullies to other smaller kd? well I see old habits don't die fast! but in this case Korp is right, no one cares!
08-04-2016, 15:38
Nibornibor

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Originally Posted by wingding

I just want it to be noted that we are razing, not raze killing the xloggers who just came oop

I thought you guys got turned upside down and shaken into oblivion for preying on the weak and defenceless? Using your chance while Jester got two deletions.. I guess thats your thing now.
08-04-2016, 15:41
zsivhawk

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Originally Posted by wingding

I just want it to be noted that we are razing, not raze killing the xloggers who just came oop

For once, I agree with Korp. No one cares.
08-04-2016, 15:46
wingding

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Originally Posted by Nibornibor

I thought you guys got turned upside down and shaken into oblivion for preying on the weak and defenceless? Using your chance while Jester got two deletions.. I guess thats your thing now.

They have known for a while b2b was coming, Bart even tried to broker it for them...can't be bullying when a conflict is unresolved and dragons aren't cancelled
08-04-2016, 15:46
MyNameIsMatija

That moment when you agree with Korp.
08-04-2016, 15:53
Nibornibor

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Originally Posted by wingding

They have known for a while b2b was coming, Bart even tried to broker it for them...hardly bullying when a conflict is unresolved and dragons aren't cancelled

I have understood the case as BLP RK'ed a province because they would't let BLP have the honor crown, then Jester came and helped the said RK'ed kingdom. Then when Jester turned the war and started gaining acres while BLP provinces was nothing else but shells, BLP withdrew and tried to end the conflict in a diplomatic manner. And after mass reporting (Not sure about the facts here) Jesters get two not so justified deletions (not going into this anymore) and suddenly BLP is wanting to escalate the conflict.

But at this stage it is not bullying, you are totally right. BLP is just a bunch of pansies.

Edit:
Also razing OOP provinces, I mean, wtf?
08-04-2016, 15:56
Mary Lennox

Preface: I have no idea if there is one guy doubling down after getting caught, two people who play together that sometimes xlog, or two people who each play their own accounts on their own devices. The data that would be needed to convince me whichever way isn't available to me and, in my opinion, shouldn't be.

There are ways in which two people could exclusively use separate devices and create logs that could, not only be interpreted as xlogging, but would look like very obvious xlogging. This might not be the case here, but I'd like to propose a possibility.

Code:

deviceid acc1 acc2 1 19 9 2 98 83 3 14 179 4 11 14

A summary table was posted earlier with the above information (for simplicity I've removed the laptop). Each deviceid would correspond to a unique user agent string. The accused reported using four devices (and the laptop) and four unique strings were logged. Both accounts had activity on all four devices. The conclusion would be that xlogging took place.

But what if Phone 1 (Ph1) and Phone 2 (Ph2) generate the same strings and Tablet 1 (Tab1) and Tablet 2 (Tab2) generate identical strings? Well you would expect something like this:

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Account 1 Account 2 String 1 Phone1 Phone2 String 2 Tablet1 Tablet2

Only two unique strings, but the data shows four.

Now, what if each device generates two strings? I don't know enough to explain why this would be, but when I generate two different strings on one device it is because I am using two different browsers. I can't imagine this is the case here. I would be interested in knowing if using a third-party add-on like munk creates its own user agent string. Anyway, I will differentiate them as Browser1 (Br1) and Browser2 (Br2).

Code:

Account 1 Account 2 String 1 Ph1Br1 Ph2Br1 String 2 Ph1Br2 Ph2Br2 String 3 Tab1Br1 Tab2Br1 String 4 Tab1Br2 Tab2Br2

Keeping in mind the premise that Phone 1 and Phone 2 cannot be differentiated, Tablet 1 and Tablet 2 cannot be differentiated, but browser 1 and Browser 2 can be differentiated, you would have the above result of two people exclusively using two devices each, but generating four very misleading user agent strings.

Posting the four unique strings could answer this, but I think too much has already been shared.

TL;DR:

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Originally Posted by Korp

Nobody gives a ****.
08-04-2016, 16:02
wingding

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Originally Posted by Nibornibor

I have understood the case as BLP RK'ed a province because they would't let BLP have the honor crown, then Jester came and helped the said RK'ed kingdom. Then when Jester turned the war and started gaining acres while BLP provinces was nothing else but shells, BLP withdrew and tried to end the conflict in a diplomatic manner. And after mass reporting (Not sure about the facts here) Jesters get two not so justified deletions (not going into this anymore) and suddenly BLP is wanting to escalate the conflict.

But at this stage it is not bullying, you are totally right. BLP is just a bunch of pansies.

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Also razing OOP provinces, I mean, wtf?

Your story is grossly inaccurate
08-04-2016, 16:12
Nibornibor

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Originally Posted by wingding

Your story is grossly inaccurate

The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
That goes for everything in threads like this.
08-04-2016, 16:22
zsivhawk

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Originally Posted by wingding

Your story is grossly inaccurate

"ive heard gurchs side and he tends to exaggerate"

Ah yes, one of your old buddies telling it like it is ;) Just like when you get hit twice by one kingdom and consider it a "hostile" so you can claim you were 5v1'd. You didn't even have ops available!
08-04-2016, 16:27
Nibornibor

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Originally Posted by zsivhawk

"ive heard gurchs side and he tends to exaggerate"

Ah yes, one of your old buddies telling it like it is ;) Just like when you get hit twice by one kingdom and consider it a "hostile" so you can claim you were 5v1'd. You didn't even have ops available!

Last I checked, that doesn't mean a hostile or a gangbang.. Unless your a pansy
08-04-2016, 16:33
s0830887

For what it's worth, to the guys who got deleted - I actually believe you here, and I can imagine accidentally using the same device if you have the same model. Your story sounds feasible enough to me and I imagine the response here is insanely frustrating.

The rules are enforced consistently, or not at all. For the benefit of most, sometimes individuals suffer needlessly. I'd be super pissed if it was me, as would anyone else in this thread.

Anyway, obviously I have absolutely no idea what happened. Pure speculation. But I think your defense/story is feasible enough.
08-04-2016, 16:35
Alaric

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Originally Posted by Nibornibor

I have understood the case as BLP RK'ed a province because they would't let BLP have the honor crown, then Jester came and helped the said RK'ed kingdom. Then when Jester turned the war and started gaining acres while BLP provinces was nothing else but shells, BLP withdrew and tried to end the conflict in a diplomatic manner. And after mass reporting (Not sure about the facts here) Jesters get two not so justified deletions (not going into this anymore) and suddenly BLP is wanting to escalate the conflict.

also driving war was BLP deal breaking an agreed war with Jesters earlier in the age.
08-04-2016, 16:38
Frugal Baggins

http://static.wixstatic.com/media/2c...a842284f17.jpg
08-04-2016, 16:38
Nibornibor

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Originally Posted by Alaric

also driving war was BLP deal breaking an agreed war with Jesters earlier in the age.

BLP=Bishops little pansies?
08-04-2016, 16:44
Culex

I haven't seen the forums this active in a long time.
08-04-2016, 16:44
Palem

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Originally Posted by s0830887

For what it's worth, to the guys who got deleted - I actually believe you here, and I can imagine accidentally using the same device if you have the same model. Your story sounds feasible enough to me and I imagine the response here is insanely frustrating.

The rules are enforced consistently, or not at all. For the benefit of most, sometimes individuals suffer needlessly. I'd be super pissed if it was me, as would anyone else in this thread.

Anyway, obviously I have absolutely no idea what happened. Pure speculation. But I think your defense/story is feasible enough.

^mostly this.
I don't think anyone was purposely trying to cheat, but somewhere there was miscommunication or some tech issue that goes well above my head and the result was that two people looked like they're xlogging...which needs to be actioned for the sake of fairness to everyone else.

That being said, you can't expect bishop to just roll over because people said "Hi, but I didn't cheat." The evidence presented doesn't prove that they weren't xlogging and Bishop isn't in a position to tell them what kind of things they'd need to provide because it would compromise the security of the game.

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