Israel, it's about time!

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Originally Posted by stoffi

Propaganda from the UN?

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Well Stoffi you've misquoted me. It's a little title followed by a news quote, another title and another quote. The last line is the next quote's title.

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Originally Posted by allonons

So, having hotheaded posts about the issue show lack of understanding of the global situation, extremistic behavior and plain stupidity.)


Wolf I have no clue who your responding too but answer me this scince noone has yet to answer it.

Why do the Palestinians ,Hamas,Hezzbulah,and other extremeist who back the so called Palestinian cause never ever once attack Jordan to get back 75% of the land they lost from when Brit's created Trans-Jordan?

Someone answer me this, I've yet to see a answer to solve this gross injustice from Jordan and the Brits....

and it seems to me it's a matter of convenience the Palestinians and exstremeist forget about 75% of the land that was Palestine ,which in fact was an area in the middle east ,it was never a place or state...and that area was shared by Palestinian arabs,jews,christians and muslims alike Trans Jordan and the Brits displaced the Palestinians all of them ...including the Palestinian Jews which in turn banded together to kick the Brits out of what remained of the Palestine area.

The Palestinian Jews then banded together again after WW2 and wrangled thier own statehood from the UN.The Arab street was pissed along with Arab Monarchy's which led Israel to grab land instead of waiting to be invaded ,this happened twice...

Israel made peace with Egypt and Jordan gave Egypt back the Sinai Peninsula,but did not go as far as taking back original Palestinian Jew area that is now 75% of Jordan ...instead opiting for peace and to be recognized by Jordan and Egypt!

They are still willing and try to make peace and a deal with Syria, only because of extremeist will not let that take place!Syria being secular like Egypt is afraid to loose thier controling power to Iran ......

Half of the Arab/Muslim Palestinians have lost control of thier future to extremeist terrorist backed by Iran ,in which there may be no future for those lost souls.

Gaza is lost/Lebanon may soon be lost.

Jordan and Egypt authority have to much control to loose power to the street....

Gaza will fall if this continues with Lebanon not far behind...

But in the end Israel will not rest until Iran falls ,there is the problem ....there will never be peace between them two Ever Never!

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Palestinian jews? There were only some few thousand jews who still lived there. But by the end of at 19th century, immigration to Palestine started and jews poured into Palestine. This immigration escalated greatly during the first 20th century when talks about a jewish homeland started getting more serious, and culminated when they finally got/took Israel.
Know that as good as EVERY jewish city, town, village and settlement are built on a former Palestinian village.
The palestinians were driven off.

It was jews across the world who pressed on for a jewish homestate, because there were very few jews who actually came from Palestine.

This we cannot fix, it wouldn't be right to kick out all jews from Israel. But we can stop them from stealing more land and occupying the West Bank and Gaza.
From the period of the Oslo Agreement, jewish settlements in the West Bank have increased 100%. This was one of the most vital parts in the agreement.
Like Ariel Sharon said back then, "Every jew has to grab as much land as he can, for what we take now will stay ours".


Like you say, the brits are much to blame. But then again, jewish terrorism became so much of a problem that they just gave up.


Hamas are by no means saints, I think they should attempt to get guided missiles that hit military targets instead of random targets.
And religious extremism is never good, in both Palestine and Israel.

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The UN has said there were NO hamas in their buildings, 99,9% sure they said. I've never heard UN lie before, but I hear Israel lie and manipulate all the time


LOL Stoffi the UN is filled with countries who lie including the United States ,don't be so naive.



I got one for you Stoffi.....

An Arab reporter asked an Israeli sniper what he felt when he shot civilian palestinains who had nothing to do with the war.

The Israeli Sniper replied..."I felt a mild recoil"!

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Ofc, but have you ever heard the UN lie? Nope, because that would ruin their credibility.

High representatives in the UN have repeated this, and it's no lie.

Israel on the other hand, have just changed their statement from "Hamas fired on us from the school" to "We didn't bomb the school". Their credibility is extremely weak, and in addition they try to shut out the press and cut the info flow from Gaza, so THEY can control the news flow.

Israel has bombed ALOT of civilian targets, you cannot get away from this. Why don't they respect the UN and civilians?


Did you know that Israel has a world record in breaking UN resolutions? Iran and North Korea got boicotts in return, what does Israel get?
Too bad that the Mossad leader in North America now is chief of staff under Obama....

Irael's got nothing on Africa, stoffi. Even I know that, and I care 1% about politics and the world.

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Originally Posted by Nemo

See, this is like the dark ages for Islam. There's very little education. Very little knowledge about what their religion really is. In the middle ages, it consisted of civilized countries that valued education, knowledge, science and arts. Of course, in every religion there are extremists. And they would've never had this much power had it not been for the West's foolishness. Even liberal Muslims are starting to doubt the West's sincerity now. Why? Because the West has given the extremists a cause.

See, they think this is all a conspiracy by the Christian and Jewish worlds, who don't want the Muslims to prosper as they once had. Before the British took over India, the divide between Muslims and Hindus wasn't as glaring. Blinded by their Imperialist hatred, the Brits divided the Indian subcontinent. They created Israel. They created conflict zones, where a normal childhood, normal education was not possible. They created a breeding ground for terrorists. Then they supported Israel with whatever they got. The extremists rejoiced.

When the impoverished kids, living in the middle of a war zone, grew up watching people starve and die everyday, what did they hear? "Oh, this is a tactic to keep us under their feet. Their fancy speeches are lies [bigshot political leaders in the middle eastern neighbourhood routinely turning up dead, didn't help Mossad and CIAs popularity, even if in certain cases, evidence pointed elsewhere]. They want to take revenge for losing the crusade." When George Bush, the idiot of the century, actually mentioned the word crusade, all hell broke loose in the Muslim conscious. Every action you have taken, every step you think you've moved forward, you've taken things from bad to worse. Every bomb dropped in Gaza, every missile attack into Pakistan, feeds those flames. You gave the extremists the background, the cause and the direction to point fingers. And things are all f'cked up now.

If things had not headed this way, we might have had more peaceful, liberal muslim countries, like Algeria, Tunisia, Turkey, Morocco, Bangladesh. But that future is screwed. I don't know how this mess can be solved. But bombing Gaza sure as hell ain't helping.

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It's much easier for the extremists to brainwash people into hating someone of a different faith. If Israel was not created, I'm sure we'd have a Palestine-Jordan conflict. It'd probably have been something like the conflicts going on in Africa. Of course, this would get more publicity than Africa [can't ignore all the neighbouring countries sitting on a lot of oil], so maybe the UN and the rest of the World would take some decisive action and get some sort of peace set up, like they got in some African countries. It'd be a lot less bloody, since the Arab world, the US, Europe, etc. will all agree on getting stability ASAP, instead of being divided on two different sides a fault line, like they are now.

"EDIT: I believe there would've been less brain washing and suicide bombings too. Since the plea for religion wouldn't work too well."

And speaking of hot headed posts, I suppose taking a look at your own posts would be completely out of the question.

The best way to make sure there are no 'flames' to feed is to kill all those who oppose you.

This is amazing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UptNr...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhk9jJW0m5k&NR=1

"Hypocrits! They wanna show you what is making you excited, because this is what the media is about, you know, it's a business."

230 palestinian children have been killed so far. No jewish children have been killed for some years now. Who's the terrorist?

And no, those children weren't human shields. In all wars, every occupation, the resistance members WILL live among civilians to stay hidden and avoid being killed. Occupation powers then have to be really careful when they handle them, because they can't just kill a bunch of civilians, as in cut down the forest to find the bad guy. Even Nazi-Germany understood this, but didn't really care when it came to inferior races like polish, jews, etc etc.
What we see here, is that Israel does not care either, because the palestinians are inferior to the jewish master race.
Israel does what Germany did to them, they round them up in ghettoes walled in, starves them out, then move in for the kill. If anyone is so unfortunate to fight back, they will kill their family, random civilians and punish the entire population. This was much used by germans during WWII and is now used by Israel.
You cannot slaughter civilians as punishment for ppl fighting against occupation.

Germany also called resistance fighters for terrorists, and if Germany had won, they would have been written down as terrorists rather than resistance groups in history.

Israel WANTS rockets to come, why would they want peace? As long as there is no one to negotiate with, they can grab as much land as possible, and the longer the wall stands, the harder it will be for the palestinians to get the land back.
The war was planned long ago, before the palestinians knew they would ever fire rockets again.
Mossad has a saying, by deception thou' shall war. And that's excactly what they did here, bombing Hamas so Hamas would "start" the war for Israel.

Oh, and a little while ago a swedish CHURCH hospital was bombed by Israel. The hospital was warned and everyone got out in time.
But then the question arises, WHY would Israel deliberately bomb a church hospital? They clearly wanna cause as much pain as possible and bombs humanitarian targets on purpose.

yuk! more propaganda...

Wow, 230 people dead - out of a total 7 billion.
This is a truly massive tragedy, stoffi, and it's going to take humanity all of two minutes to get those 230 people replaced.

I'm so tired of hearing news about Israel and the gaza strip.

Its always the same.

Talks about peace... and it doesn't happen.

Hamas shoots junk at Israel, Isreal kills a bunch of civilians to make a point.

This enflames the population and they support Hamas to shoot more.

Frankly, I don't remember who started it, but it doesn't matter at this point, because both sides are perpetuating it.

Of course, the problem might come to a close if Israel actually gave palestinians in the gaza strip proper land that might allow for actual prosperity or if the other Arab nations granted palestinian refugees citizenship instead of threating them like foreign thrash.

Either way, I'm a much happier person now that I don't follow this junk anymore, especially since its none of my business anyways. No offense to the parties involved in this little fracas. May they kill each other hapilly ever after if they so wish.

Hamas deserves death - same with all their supports.

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Originally Posted by Mourhelm

You are so biased you don't even bother showing the Israeli death statistics.

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You know what I always found funny about this whole thing.
http://www.theisraelproject.org/site...997&ct=3887857
In the last 7 years 31 Israelis have died from rockets and mortars.
That's ~4.4 per year...... Sharks kill more people every year.


(I didn't read any of the previous pages)

What would YOUR country do to protect its people Stoffi?
Answer me that question.

Sharks may kill more people per year but that is an accident, Hamas is intentionally bombing Israel.

Israel might be taking it too far but at least then maybe Hamas will get the picture and stop all this crap.

Least then if Israel smokes Hamas to the ground this stupid war can be finished with and the rest of the world can stop hearing about anti-semitism and terrorist groups and all the other BS that goes along with Israel, Palestine and Hamas.