Age 59 proposed changes comments

Personality Changes i would make

The Merchant- fine
+20% Income
Gain 50% more Specialist and Building Credits



The Sage
Every 4 acres generates 1 book
-50% cost of science
Combine Traditional March and Learn into one attack- Humans used to have this ability

The Rogue
+1 Stealth recovery per tick
Access to all thievery operations, including 3 unique to rogues: Greater Arson, Assassinate Wizards and Propaganda
Thieve's Dens are twice as effective


The Mystic
All Guilds are twice as effective
+1 mana per tick in War
-50% rune costs
No penalty for failed magic attempts- i.e. dead wizzies or extra mana consumed
(Give MS to everyone)

The Warrior
+15% OME- so they don't have to be in war to use their pers
Enhanced Conquest range


The Tactician
-15% Attack Time
Accurate Espionage
+1 General

The Cleric- fine
-50% Your Military Casualties (on attack or defense)


The War Hero
-50% train time
Immune to Dragon effects
+50% bonuses from honor
Generate 10 honor per tick for each successful general that is away- the bonus for honor is nice, but as an attacker, just need a steady way to accumulate it

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Originally Posted by Kokoda

With this in place can also fix the warring situation. Example this age a KD said they would war us. we were same NW. we hit them and gave them the button. No declaration for 12 hrs. so of course we thought this is bs, proceeded to learn wave them. they would TM and massacre us back but never declare, this went on for 7 days.... such stalemates are frustrating for experienced and new players alike. to get some forced momentum into the game cap the meter at 60 points or something lower than 200. if both KD's are over 60 points hostile then war can be declared by either.

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Very much agree that the cap needs to be lowered. We were hostile with a KD for a week as well in which we were 200 and they were hovering around 190 at the end. As soon as they went above 190, they stopped and as soon as they went below they continued. Good cap management on their part but it takes way too many hits to reach 200 for it not to turn into a war. If not 60, lower the cap to 100 or something. At least something lower!

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Originally Posted by natebane

The War Hero
-50% train time
Immune to Dragon effects
+50% bonuses from honor
Generate 10 honor per tick for each successful general that is away - the bonus for honor is nice, but as an attacker, just need a steady way to accumulate it

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Did you even do the math on this? That would generate insane amounts of honor. Way out of control. Maybe more like 1 honor/tick.

Human Cleric, Undead Sage works well too!

Anyway, the developers are changing the race and pers so much that the bonuses does not reflect the race correctly at all.

Avian is a race of speed - give it faster return time and quick feet spell

Elf is a race of mystic creature - the "revive dead troops" does not fit well into the picture. That's more of an undead's ability imo

I am still fine with Human race despite the "-10% pop"

Undead is supposed to be undead, why still the "-50% to combat losses" instead of the -100%?"

Sage is too underpowered. Give it some science protection and it is good to go.

Cleric has been constantly nerfed for a couple of ages. Give it "Immune to Dragon effects" and "Immune to The Plague" to better suit the personality

Combine WH and Tact to form a new pers.

Give us back Shepherd pers!

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Originally Posted by Palem

Faery can play a/m or a/t. If you let them grow in war and you don't address them they can easily switch to a bank or tm role (assuming they get to UB). If you try and chain them in war their wpa/tpa will skyrocket and they tear people apart with ops AND they can still attack pretty effectively. If you try to disable them pre-war with massacres they can switch over to an attacker build and still be effective while their wpa/tpa recovers.

Do I need to spell this out any more or are you getting the gist of things?

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LOL !!!
sure a faery on 250 acres will be pro baller! lol
i needed a laugh thanks for that

I love nearly all the changes...

The only thing I would gripe at is the elimination of the Double Dens for Rogue Personality.

I think that the races the benefit the most from being Rogue have already been balanced out with the Fae Def reduction and the Halfer Leet Nerf. Mystic gets double guilds (which makes sense based on need to boost WPA) so it seems reasonable to maintain the better dens for rogue since they provide the improved TPA + losses reduction. As a heavy thief its difficult enough keeping up with thief losses when running max Dens as it is. We can expect easier/more frequent massacres from the buffed attackers so making it harder to maintain TPA without running 40% Dens just seems slightly overkill. If this change sticks its going to be pretty much a necessity to fully build max Dens.

Just my 5 cents.

In all honesty, there's a huge problem with Honor exchange. Thievery Ops yield 1-5 honor points on the average Op, regardless of difficulty, as for Magic Ops, they yield close to 50 Honor on one spell on a Marquis (What I'm going through right now) For the fact changes are making TMs breakable, TMs should be able to stack honor even more quickly to at least be able to recover some lost honor. I took a Conquest and lost 300 Honor on my 4800+ Honor just moments ago. I ran 12 successful Propaganda Ops and yielded great results but gained about 60-70 honor off a Count. It doesn't balance out. If I took a Traditional March hit, I would lose 700-800 Honor I believe on that hit alone.

And as for the changes...
Avians - Fine
Dwarves - Fine
Elf - A little overpowered
Faery - Weak - If a province runs 100% Elites (Any race with 6 points of offense or greater in their Elites) they will have no problems shattering a Faery quickly, even with +130% DME, you'll still only have 6.5 points per Elite you own. A Attacker say Undead / Orc with 145% OME (TGs+Warrior bonus+1 extra general), their value will be 10.15 before you add the extra generals plus stables.
Human - +30% Science eff, -10% Pop. That's perfectly fine, Overpowered I say, I can negate the 10% Pop penalty in about 7 days from when I start the account. From there on, it's a joy ride to happiness with the science bonus.
Orc - They should have this cool thing like, 0-10% extra time penalty because Orcs are dumb and they tripped along the way while grabbing acres. (Just kidding, they're fine the way they are becoming for next age)
Undead - Looks more crippled than before,

Removal of protection from personalities, people shouldn't fear for it, you got comfortable, if you're still scared, well run the respective structures to keep those "bonuses" instead of automatically being applied to you.

I think there should be less starting Honor, 10+ ages ago, becoming a Prince was really through hard effort, now it's almost as if anyone can become a Prince, even in a amateur kingdom where one player just topfed tons and was left alone to keep their honor.

I think provinces should start with 1400 Honor instead of the current number, that way everyone is a Knight in the beginning and they fight their way upwards. Rogues should keep the Double TD effectiveness if Mystics still have double Guild bonus. There are already too many Mystics out there. And you're asking for people to slip away from Rogue~~~?

Great job on the major changes. Maybe a few tweaks, but it looks good.

When can we get Dark Elves back or a new race/personality now?

I feel the overall reduction to thieves mages is to much as a whole, turning the game and kingdoms into more attacker based strategies.

Rogue loses thieve den bonus.
Mystic loses tower production bonus.
Halfling loses stealth bonus.
Elf loses mana regen bonus.



Overall we have lower defense and lower mana stealth, and less building efficiency overall.

I curious if you are trying to work the Halfling race out? You guys never do much with it but take what little bonus they had away..... now they are down to 4/4 no up side bonuses .... really sucks cause I love playing halfers. How about you make us immune to the plague since you are making it even easier for undeads ..... or something sighs smh

I am not sure if the Elf -50% Defensive Losses is a Buff or a Nerf. Either way I dont think it really helps out the race very much. In chains its a disaster and really playing Hybid A/M is still not a viable option, especially now that attackers are being inflated relatively. You are not really going to be trading hits in a hostile so who cares about defensive losses... I guess the only thing it helps with is limiting defense drop off during hostile massacres when you are inevitably playing as a heavy mage.

I would like to see something someday to make Elf a compelling choice and Its just not there yet... Either buff something substantial to make it something other than suicide to play a hybrid role, or make it clearer choice as the Heavy Mage (The full spell book + damage output still makes the fae the better Mage IMO). I know we are not inventing new buffs here but for example "No Mana loss on failed spells" would make a compelling reason for me to choose Elf over Fae...

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Originally Posted by lillylu29

I curious if you are trying to work the Halfling race out? You guys never do much with it but take what little bonus they had away..... now they are down to 4/4 no up side bonuses .... really sucks cause I love playing halfers. How about you make us immune to the plague since you are making it even easier for undeads ..... or something sighs smh

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Halfers are still very strong... they will just be kinda boring now... losing 50% extra stealth means a lot of staring at the wall in war :-( I think they are still effective you just wont get as many ops... of course with the dens nerf this is probably a good thing since your gonna be losing more thieves.

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Originally Posted by Jono

I am not sure if the Elf -50% Defensive Losses is a Buff or a Nerf. Either way I dont think it really helps out the race very much. In chains its a disaster and really playing Hybid A/M is still not a viable option, especially now that attackers are being inflated relatively. You are not really going to be trading hits in a hostile so who cares about defensive losses... I guess the only thing it helps with is limiting defense drop off during hostile massacres when you are inevitably playing as a heavy mage.

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Why do people keep saying this? So, you would rather lose your defense all at once by getting hit rather than in an orderly fashion by overpop?

You know that having soldiers can prevent your troops from leaving, right? You know that you can do something about losing troops by overpop after you have been hit, but you can do nothing about the troops lost in the hit after the fact.

Elf, with their +WPA for LL, and their reawakening soldiers and lower defensive losses will be the toughest race to chain effectively this age...

your dumb if you run pure t/m its nerfed, unless some bright spark raises faery elite or gives back *2 TD's it stupid. name the age, Age of the attacker. Get it done with

You need runes for that kyle unless you want to stay up each tick and cast LL. your point is mute.