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Emeriti not asking for it sure factors into it. When you have logs of your monarch and steward not only coordinating the hits but the entire idea coming from your monarch and steward, it's different.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
I don't know why you're focusing on ervgotti being there, I met him when Rock recruited him to Mercy with us. As the current longest running top kingdom our ex players are literally in every kingdom by now.
See the thing is pyro no longer gets the benefit of the doubt. They cheated last age. They **** played this age. So yeah your hands are not clean. If anyone says I'm lying or making **** up I can and will put you in touch with the monarch of the other kd.
Which is a brilliant way to do diplomacy chrystal. It means no one will give you the benefit of the doubt either. That's fine. As I said earlier in this thread, now everyone knows how to deal with your kingdoms from here on out.
**** play is a matter of opinion. Not that I expect you are able to tell the difference between fact and opinion, but that's also ok. No rule says you have to be rational. Clearly you are not.
/me shrugs.
I don't need to explain myself to you. Just the utopian policia. And I have. Now I await the gb on you.
Don't be a dumb ****. It's proven your kd cheated and got actioned on, double hostiled, backstabbed your allies, farmed your allies for gold, begged for acres, hit into wars, fabricate lies and many more despicable actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
That's not jumping to conclusions that is factual. These are not a string of coincidences, you deserve not a single ounce of the benefit of doubt for repetitively breaking almost every known ethical rule in top play and more so for being utterly unremorseful and defensive of your atrocious behaviours.
bombdigie is probably the most ideal representative mouthpiece you have to showcase what a pile of hypocrites and scums you guys are.
CP isn't the most sane person but he doesn't twist and turn and his words are worth the price of diamonds in comparison with yours which even a beggar wouldn't use as toilet paper.
Screen caps or it didn't happen. There should be no problem with it since you had one of your defectees have access to it right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace
He copy-pasted a kd chat and kd chat doesn't last long. Why not people prove that he is wrong by presenting evidences that states otherwise? Or pointing out inconsistencies in the evidence that he presented? All you're doing right now is asking for more evidence that might not be obtainable anymore. smhQuote:
Originally Posted by Slickdevil
So you have to start argumentation by being offensive? Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by tak3shi
had a new recruit who had a multi, abused the rules and the kd was actioned as a result....Quote:
It's proven your kd cheated and got actioned on...
Debatable if there was an active hostile..Quote:
.... double hostiled,..
What allies? Do you mean CJ complaining about us waving him at the end of last age when nothing mattered anymore? That? When we had already stopped being allies due to his constant trolling? That?...Quote:
backstabbed your allies,...
In response to a deal break....Quote:
... farmed your allies for gold,...
Asked if people want land drops, which they wanted to give anyway.....Quote:
begged for acres,....
When, outside of this "awar"?Quote:
hit into wars,...
You mean like your unsupported nonsense above? hush you! Go take nap.Quote:
fabricate lies and many more despicable actions.
No it is a load of unsupported assertions and gross mischaracterizations on your part.Quote:
That's not jumping to conclusions that is factual. These are not a string of coincidences, you deserve not a single ounce of the benefit of doubt for repetitively breaking almost every known ethical rule in top play and more so for being utterly unremorseful and defensive of your atrocious behaviours.
He believes in responding to people like you with a fight fire with fire attitude. He is only doling out to you the same quality you produce. Honestly, you both can go in the corner and face the wall....Quote:
bombdigie is probably the most ideal representative mouthpiece you have to showcase what a pile of hypocrites and scums you guys are.
Perhaps CP is a saint, but .... what on earth are you trying to say? I guess this is just the part where you are insulting other forum users. Reported....Quote:
CP isn't the most sane person but he doesn't twist and turn and his words are worth the price of diamonds in comparison with yours which even a beggar wouldn't use as toilet paper.
Kappa,Quote:
Originally Posted by Kappa_
I did. The monarch asserts that some person left for pyro after plundering CP's KD. There is no SN that shows that occurring. Ergo, it is unlikely to be true. However, if you view the most recent taunt we posted on CP's KD. You see a segment from the war forums where his (now former) KD mate thanks us for clearing him and the others who left out of the KD because they have been dominating and bullying the other members of the KD and forcing them into actions they did not approve of.
So.... I dunno that CP is a saint. I do know he went nuts about whatever this situation is, which is one that he instigated by breaking CF and hitting into us. I do know that without bothering to check up on a story he then started to flame us in the forums and proceeded to defect to other kingdoms to try to raze us (all of which kingdoms have since CFd so I guess that plan did not work). In the end, I think we can all say that CP is a little crazy...... that's about all that I see has been established conclusively.
Only person who did it and whoever asked him to do it knows for sure. In lack of evidence one can only rely on logic, I have no idea whats the truth but I choose to belive Pyro simply based on logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kappa_
Why would someone who wants to help Pyro *plunder* core province with no money ? And than make sure to tell his KD he is moving to Pyro of all things ... laughable scenario
On the other hand this ridiculous excuse was used to defect 2 10k provs and stop Pyro from farming them.
Whos story makes sense there ?
Again though citadela, its not like we care. We were not going to crown anyway so whatever people thought they were accomplishing all it did was break up the monotony of the last few weeks.
Now this is what people involved should've been doing, asking logical questions against what the other side was presenting (not wasting time repeatedly asking screenshots). Now, unless this CP answers these questions then I agree, this makes more sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by citadela01
Can you stop making up stuff? Comparing Chrystal with bombdigie is an insult to Chrystal (and it would be to most people)Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Not to my knowledge, I can only say what happened on my behalf and the earliest I talked to Chrystal about the hits on your KD last age was after.
Session Start: Sun Mar 15 20:05:46 2015
Session Ident: Chrystal
[20:05] <protector> you waved abs? lol :p
[20:06] <Chrystal> Yeah
The chat I had 6 days earlier was diplo related and didn't involve any emeriti talk
I'm not a person wanting to see FSU from small to big or reverse simply because it's ruining the competition, it has a negative impact regardless of the outcome. The fact that you ask me this just insinuates that next time this happens, you'll try and ensure no leaks and justify it based on that. Am I correct? :p
Next age there won't need to be "justification" for much of anything. Feyr Play already set a pretty terrible precedent for the next age.
Oh you broke your deal? "Well we made the deal with the intention of breaking it, so it wasn't valid."
Oh you waved into a hostile? "Well we didn't think the terms were fair, and even though the meter has you both as very hostile towards each other, since you haven't hit in a few hours we're gonna consider your hostile void."
Oh you're gangbanging us? "Well you spent the last age ruining our age, so it's only fair to repay the favor."
...and so on and so forth. Not that it really matters anyway, but yea.
Protector, No you are not correct. First off, it's already been established that Bour was not trying to do any "FSU" and purely wanted a cf. This was established by Bour verbally. It was also established by his actions. He asked for a cf before hitting including with urgency to the online provinces after the steward read and didn't respond. Then after razing, he again asked for a cf and offered all razed land back plus extra. These are the actions of a province trying to get a cf, not FSU.
In addition, the full Emeriti logs back up that Emeriti wanted bour to get himself a cf and not to FSU. The exact final words an Emeriti leader said on the topic were: "<jdorje> if we cf them, bour is dead and that is bad for us so if i were bour i'd go get the cf now with threats of postwar hitting if they refuse"
Part of flogger's justification for BB's massive overreaction was that no ex-BB players have ever been involved in any FSU on top kingdoms. Now it's clear that indeed ex-BB players helped FSU Emeriti last age by hitting down their cows not all that long before Emeriti and BB's cf was set to end.
Also, I was contrasting Crystal and bombdigie, not comparing them. I was asking a rhetorical question with the follow up statement answering that question that they are not alike.
So why doesn't BB investigate this situation and find out if Pyro had talked to the guy who hit into the fight and if there is any truth to the logs? Pyro is denying everything but surely Bb can find out if Pyro actually knew the player or not? I'm guessing the reason you don't investigate is because you're not prepared to action them if your findings confirm the logs. When Pyro double hostiled earlier (at BB's suggestion), you made sure that Pyro got to keep all the land they gained through the double hostile.