You're such a hypocrite :)Quote:
The noticed kingdom feels they have a right to claim a fight, when a kingdom notices them, and feels that a notice-and-run strategy is lame. And they're right to feel that way, of course.
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You're such a hypocrite :)Quote:
The noticed kingdom feels they have a right to claim a fight, when a kingdom notices them, and feels that a notice-and-run strategy is lame. And they're right to feel that way, of course.
This is correct, please do not do it. If you have issue with a post then please report it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
YEs hoh strat and play has been great there no doubts there.... It really would have been nice sanc let simians and hoh fight at start and some of the semi abandoned provinces in simians did fight
Simians appears to be putting together a string of losses, hopefully they don't go the way of insolence!
How can you agree with it and not disagree with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
Sanct said we are waving you
Simians replied no we are waving hoh
Sanct waved first.
Simians waved second.
So if you don't think you can call dibs, then shouldn't waving at least make it obvious? It seems simians wants to call dibs on a hostile, but doesn't think someone can call dibs on them. If you both agree you can't call dibs then you would think you must agree that some hits counts as calling dibs.
would one call this trollception?Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
@goodz
Sanc didn't wave first.
This:Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
February 24 of YR10 Our kingdom has begun a Ruby Dragon project targetted at HaLL of Heroes RECRUITING ().
March 1 of YR10 Sanctuary () has broken their ceasefire agreement with us!
March 1 of YR10 A Ruby Dragon from Sanctuary () has begun ravaging our lands!
March 1 of YR10 Sanctuary () has begun a Ruby Dragon project against us!
March 1 of YR10 We have cancelled our ceasefire with HaLL of Heroes RECRUITING ()!
March 1 of YR10 Outplayers Empire () invaded MeanLeanDwarfMachine () and captured 1,472 acres of land.
Here Simians is still in fortified and Sanctuary refuse to hit us anymore. So we decide since they are not inveting us to war we continue with our plans to war HoH round 1.
We begin the attacks after waiting 1h for sanctuary and told them we are hostile with HoH and they have to wait for round 2 when we will more then happy take them to a conflict.
March 2 of YR10 An unknown province from Simians KLA hostile HoH () captured 481 acres of land from Kingdoms will crumble ().
March 2 of YR10 An unknown province from Simians KLA hostile HoH () captured 529 acres of land from How far we will go ().
March 2 of YR10 An unknown province from Simians KLA hostile HoH () captured 337 acres of land from Broken in our wake ().
March 2 of YR10 An unknown province from Simians KLA hostile HoH () captured 305 acres of land from Broken in our wake ().
March 2 of YR10 An unknown province from Simians KLA hostile HoH () captured 417 acres of land from The game has changed ().
March 2 of YR10 An unknown province from Simians KLA hostile HoH () captured 215 acres of land from Your time has passed ().
March 2 of YR10 An unknown province from Simians KLA hostile HoH () captured 401 acres of land from Thought youd keep us down ().
There, we gave HoH the button. Sanc proceed to fully wave us. HoH waits to declare til Sanc is finished.
I dont blame HoH. But what Sanc did was very wrong and they can expect to be treated like this from here on after themselfs.
Yes it was so very wrong of them to tell you in advance that they were going to wave you and not let you run.... The result of this was because of your own poor choices Anri.
No, i played by the rules absalom themselfs had made up. They broke their own set of rules because they were greedy. You are a moderator of this forum and represents this game. You oughta know what a hostile is and what not is. Just like absalom always known up til now. People can dislike me and hate me all they want. I made nothing wrong, absalom powerplayed us and thats that. So, i will do the same to them. We all know the rules a bit better now. Absalom makes the rules as people know. So if this is how its going to be played my allies will dragon them, we will hit them, maybe have a third KD join in with a second dragon. It wont matter how we do it, it will be done since Absalom now allows this. We are more then okey with it. I had a feeling absalom could do it, i tested their greed and they did it. Talks over at our side was that Dorje would be smarter then that and not do it. Cause in the end he hurt his alliance and his KD way more then anything else. He will still end on same position as before the wave. It was more then a dumb move. Simians dont care if we end 7th or 4th for land now. Absalom took a bite from the forbidden fruit or smoked some illegal substance thats for sure. I will take pleasure in multi gang Sanc next age, into hostile/war and what not.Quote:
Originally Posted by DHaran
There is not anyone in Simians that does not agree on our next age mission and that we been wrongfully powerplayed by Sanctuary. I can only wish Dorje GL.
He better prepare his entire alliance to stop what is coming for him. I had enough of these ****ing rules. They applied only as long as absalom themselfs followed them.
When they broke them there is nothing that can ever make us trust them and their rules again.
Even though I told you we'd wave when you left fortified? Since you had to leave fortified anyway, why not give us a few minutes to wave then? Why make 7 quick hits (which does not give button btw) and try to sneak away before we can wave, when you know we're going to wave within minutes anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
It just makes no sense to me. You didn't have to notice us. You didn't have to be in fortified after the notice you gave expired. You didn't have to wave someone else after I informed you we were about to wave you, and dare us to wave anyway. You didn't have to continue your wave and give the button after we resumed ours. All of those were your choices, and they didn't work out very well.
so once you tell a KD you are going to wave them, they are auto-locked in a war with you? and they no longer have any decision on who they will be attacking? glad i don't play in top, you guys have some screwed up rules.
What will be solution if hoh already informed anri they will wave him after simians leave fort stance? Who have more right to war simians?Quote:
Originally Posted by jdorje
what will be hoh reaction if Simians After make 7 hits on them decide to declare Sanctuary? Do you think HoH will give free 7 hits or will full wave Simians ever if war is declared?
Some times you are very far from being objective. There is not only Sanctuary but 2 more kds/interest. Sure gave you notice and make kd train up is bad for your pump/dice but its part from game. After simians alredy did 7 hits on hoh its was clear they cant war sanc and hoh will declare. Do you think wave them was smart move in long therm. You made bad blood so easy for noting.
We were in fort stance so that we got to choose who we gave button first.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdorje
Giving you notice was only to make you train up early.
You bended the rules as you seem to fitt you the best.
Just like i will bend the rules how it fitt me best in the future when i am coming for Sanctuary.
It was your moves that broke the rules. Not mine!
They hit their bank first. You can only do so much into a KD in fortified. But they made their intentions clear, Anri tried to run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Palem. My KD starts a dragon at yours and hits your biggest province and says come out of fortified so we can war? After you talk trash in forums for 2-3 days prior about my kd. Then you jump out and quickly wave someone else? I don't think so.
If HoH also said they were going to wave when he left fortified, which I have not seen mentioned anywhere. I believe absalom decided sanctuary would war him. As soon as anri noticed 3 kds at once he gave up his selection process. Politics in the top is somewhat different... There is only 4 KD's. You can't just wave someone else everytime you think your going to get waved...
I don't think we need to discuss this more though, a few people who dislike absalom will side with simians out of bias. Other then that its pretty obvious Anri made a huge error in judgment. Hopefully he has no issues forgetting about it on his vacation and returns in time to start next age.
If I see bio or simians or any of these nubs double hostiling abs kds in the next age I will have no issues backing abs. No love for abs but nothing went wrong here. Give notice then hide in fortified and then wave someone else? Its all so laughable.
Dont think HoH did it. I'm just follow Dorje logic. HoH have same right to come and tell anri we will wave you so dont run and wave sanctuary. What will be solution?Quote:
Originally Posted by goodz
From other Side Sanctuary had chance to wave Simians and gave button before Simians wave HoH. This will put them in clear ingame open relation and they cant ignore it. Talk only is not enough for fill meter.
Wrong. Gave notice is strategy move. Stay in fort is same. Waving KD who just send out is lame. If simians make same will be fair. There is not other way for ABS to start respect 1vs1 and not abuse situations/rules. If there was 4-5 more non abs kds in range there wont be wave from sanctuary or they will get instant wave from other kd. If you want to backup some one do it for Simians. I want to see fair 1vs1 competitions not abuse your total domination in top.Quote:
Originally Posted by goodz
If both kingdoms did it and they are allied it would be a double hostile provoked by them.
If they were two random unaffiliated kd's and this was not a top war and you broke CF with them both at the same time and were highly pumped in a way that threatened them they would probably both wave you
common sense means more then the meter. If i spend my whole age hostile with 1:1 and dicing and complain anytime anyone hits me... can I really use meter/hostile as a justification. I mean what if simians had say 1 hour before the CF with hoh and sanctuary broke decided to wave a KD 30% smaller then them? Personally if I was sanctuary I would wave them anyway for intentionally delaying me and then hiding to avoid conflict. The only reason this is murkey at all is because he did it to two allied kingdoms. I 100% believe that if he had waved sanctuary HoH would not have touched him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elitbg
You know our opinion dont matter at all :PQuote:
Originally Posted by goodz
This top chart politic is so lame. So prefer to not comment it more.
Think same. HoH is acting honorable in last few ages.Quote:
Originally Posted by goodz
As usual, the problem will be failure to apply common sense to a given scenario. Common sense should have told Simians not to risk a double hostile, and to deal with Sanc first. Simians will now ignore common sense and use a vague description of this scenario as justification for future double hostiles which really don't relate at all to this situation. This is the reason why Simians has failed to truly contend for a crown to this point.
What reputation is it that needs restoring Anri? When was it ever shattered?Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
Seems you think takeshi is a representant of HoH. He is not in fact he doesn't play in HoH. Takeshi was once a HoH player but is no longer. Just to straighten things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
Nice management Anri, nice.
How surprising that Anri is taking the martyrdom stance.
29 pages later...
/yawn
The biggest problem we have is that some leaders lack what is common, sense. Ironic isn't it.Quote:
Originally Posted by goodz
Wartague, I've told them 10,000 times I don't play in HoH. Just like we've mentioned HoH isn't HoA, does anyone listen? -.-"Quote:
Originally Posted by wartague
Sometimes you have got to say we rolled the dice, which giving notice to 3 at once was. Renegotiating CF's with 2 of them so they could go back to dicing was there best bet. Otherwise they needed to make absolutely sure with the other parties that they would not be waving them.
If simians wanted to war hoh and then war sanctuary as this was "obvious" They should have noticed HoH. Warred HoH. Then noticed sanctuary.
Like I said right at start the break cf with all 3 does slow them all and you can see the logic, but it gives abs the right to choose who wars you. You tried to give notice to all 3 and pick your target. Too much cake for one monkey imo!
@tak3shi even abs leaders say HoH is in abs :P
I really like what all experts here is saying. Abs powerplayed us, they would never have waved us if there was one more KD pumped up on our side without that KD laying down the law for them.
This is pure powerplaying that was used by Sanctuary vs Simians just because they could bend the rules in this situation. I might have initiated it to more or less and tested absalom and see if they would do it or not. They did it. This means we can do it to them without thinking twice about it. Its more then cool, i can agree with most here and say they are right. If i werent really i would justify that i cant wave absalom like this in the future. We will see how they like that. We will see how they like starting multi dragons on one KD, we will see how they like it when they are jumped army out, when they are hit into hostile and when they are ****ing hit into war. In no way i complain, the other way around. I enjoyed this entire scenario. History is as such when we have been about to wave abs kds they have gone hostile with pure ghettos to avoid us, so we have waited like good little dogs to wave them at a later moment WHEN relations been cleared off. Most often we went to the other KD and made sure they CFed so that we could nail them. Sanctuary followed thru a wave when i said they can keep the acres they got and they can pay that dragon. They were never hostile with us, it was a dragon and it was an attack. Wich i told them they get for free if they dont give us button. We waited 1h and waved HoH since Sanc did not make a move what so ever. We had 3 days more we could have been in fort stance.
None of it really matters like i said, cause Simians is happy. HoH should be happy and Sanc got 15k free acres. They should be happy. It just took a while to think it all over and realize that Sanc just changed gamefield forever. We will deeply screw them over into hostile/war next age. It is them that has to live with that fact. Not Simians. Sanc can forget about crowns and everything else. They gonna be stuck with Simians til they return 15k acres. It will not be enough of taking a wave or getting hurt in the same way. WE WILL reclaim every single acre. We will raze them if we have too straight into war til we add up to 15k acres. Dorje and his Sanc is dead to me.
There is no need for me to talk about it any longer. It is just what it is.
I haven't noticed anyone agree with you. A few noobs who have probably never played in the top perhaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
They said they would give you button as soon as you stopped hiding in fortified, you have to be crazy to wave into fortified. What they requested was very reasonable. I can't imagine in anyway the game field changed. Next age if sanctuary notices you and one of your allies and says they will war either of you. Then say simians says we will war you, and starts a dragon and asks sanctuary to go to normal so they can wave. Then sanctuary says no we are warring someone else and waves another KD. Then and only then should you multi hostile them :D
You waited 1 hour in normal? I think something more like 12 hours, of waving them yourself would make more sense so they have some shot at waving you...
Your mumbo jumbo sounds like another attempt at an Awar that will likely result with simians/bio/insolence/old school probably 1-2 of them disbanding.
lol it was all according to anri's master plan about scoping out abs tendencies now.
This whole thread was a look at me look what I can do in the top, ya got spanked, man up and take the medicine.
Everyone made their minds up during the 24 hours you were hiding.
Like I said, you will use this scenario as justification to act shady for an entirely different scenario. Make sure that when you decide to try and get back at them you do the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
A) Receive fair notice to end a CF with your targeted Abs kingdom
B) Declare in no uncertain terms your intentions to wave your targeted Abs kingdom
C) Start a dragon and hit into your targeted Abs kingdom while they sit in Fortified Stance
D) Finish wave as your targeted kingdom tries to run by waving anoth...... wait, nevermind, they won't be that shortsighted to try that, so ignore this step.
But no of course you won't do that. You'll choose a completely different scenario to pounce on an Abs kingdom in a clear cut and universally accepted shady double hostile. The only result (again) will be you making yourself and your kingdom look foolish.
No they don't. And we are NOT.Quote:
Originally Posted by goodz
We're not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
There is no more to talk about. We gave HoH button, Sanc hit us army out. We will do the same to them when they given button to another KD. We maybe have to do it 3 times. We will do it til we have 15k acres back. I think longer then one age, else Simians would not have been here for 50 ages. Dorje seem to used his logic for this age only. Thats on him. He will get trouble til we made our revenge. End of story
Its really cool that Dharan and Takeshi and maybe some others speaks for absalom when they cant speak for themselfs.
Anri, as someone who has had good conversations and relations with you in the past, I hope I can say this to you here and you will understand I'm speaking out of genuine respect and hoping it will be helpful. Some ages ago, either during my last age co-monarching Trinity with Alien or it may have been my first age co-monarching Fury (the age we didn't tag and people still called us Grace), we had a similar situation happen to us. Prot gave us notice that would expire a couple hours after our planned wave time. ASF told us to cancel our wave and prep for Prot's kd, but we decided to go ahead with our wave and we gave the button and told Prot to wait, which he did not do. He waved us with our armies out.
Was that a double hostile? We thought so ... but we put ourselves in that position. We knew that Prot intended to wave us and wanted to war us, and we waved someone else.
This is similar. You gave notice to Sanctuary and HaLL of Heroes and Rage, and then Rage re-cf'd you and you had two possible war targets left. Sanctuary initiated by sending a dragon (not a small investment) and hitting your bank into fort (which is a dangerous move since if you could leave fort and retaliate you would get much more bank acres). Sanctuary then told you they were going to finish waving you as soon as you left fort. Common sense should have made you prepare for Sanctuary and war them. But, just like me, you wanted to go after the target you really wanted instead so you left fort and started waving them. Sanctuary was already invested in the fight though and did what they said they would do, and waved you.
You knew Sanctuary was going to wave you, and you wanted to go after another kd instead. If you really wanted to war HaLL of Heroes the whole time, you should have given them notice quietly and then it would have been some hours later before maybe Sanctuary or Rage might have given you notice, so you would have had a large free window to open on HoH without any possible other things, but you gave notice to all at the same time. You also decided to stay in fort and try to make someone give you a big advantage by waving you into fort instead of choosing your target immediately. Sanctuary invested in a dragon and a risky bank hit and gave you clear notice they were going to wave you and wanted to war.
You are a better person than to pretend to be a martyr here. You should have just fought Sanctuary and there would have been no problem. It's never a good idea to try and run from a hostile in progress because then when it goes bad it just seems that you made it yourself. I made this mistake once and I learned from it. It's embarrassing and ASF still uses it as an example to this day, as he did in this thread. I'm sad to see that you guys lost your fight. I thought it was really great play how you caught up to the top, and I think maybe if you had stayed full active and fought hard against Sanc you could have beat them maybe? It's never good to have all these hurt feelings. We all have this game we play in common and the game is based upon conflict, but maybe we should remember that we have that in common and that the conflict the game inspires is not true animosity but just a game.
You have always been honest when we talked Anri and I think if you are honest now you will say that you made some mistakes in this situation and maybe calm the situation down. If you had just fought Sanctuary, who clearly wanted to fight you, then there would never have been any controversy here. Sometimes you just have to fight the kd you don't want to fight, even if it hurts. I also remember when I was co-monarch of Fury with Tonya that we had a very disastrous war against Sonata. We did not want to fight them but there was no way to avoid the fight without making a bigger mess, so we had the hard fight and then moved on.
I hope you will still play hard and keep making the game fun and competitive at the top. Don't stay bitter over this, because it is just a game and I know all of the people involved, and you are all good people. I've enjoyed talking to and getting to know you all over the years, so hopefully you can talk in private and patch up relations and we can have many more great and fun ages.
Just my $0.02 for what it's worth.
I am speaking for myself when I state you made a piss poor decision leading your kingdom, and now you're butt hurt about it. Anyone who knows anything knows I have no great love for Absalom, but this whole thing was your fault, not theirs. Stop trying to deflect and play the martyr, you screwed up, deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
I knew this could happen, i was not entirely sure they would do it. But they did it. Bets are now off.
Dont make me laugh dude. It was not planned poorly, we knew Sanc could deal with it the way they wanted. They went greedy and it does not pay off for them.
They really gain nothing. They cant win this age, they will be sitting on the same spot as they were. The only thing they accomplished was pissing 25 people of majorly.
They would been way better of never doing that wave and wait for their turn to war us. They choose to wave us when we had button on someone else. Nothing can justify that. NOTHING! A notice is not an hostile action. Abs started off bad all ready when they had both Rage and Sanc starting dragons on us at the same time. They were going for this all along. It makes it even more fun when i call them out for what they really are and they have little protectors here on the forum to justify the powerplay they do.
You are nothing but talk Anri. I might go talk to jdorje about playing in Sanc next age just so I can be a part of your laughable revenge quest.
Maybe people fail to understand that Sanc would have got a fair war vs us right after HoH fight. That would have benefit them way more since we prob would have came out very hurt from that fight. Instead Sanc screw up and wave us when they shouldnt. If they wanted to win the age they ****ed up bigtime. Not me!
Did you cf sanctuary or will they farm you oow?
I vote farm.