Farming is against the rules.
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Farming is against the rules.
Yes, do not mess with the king of utopia guys. Wonder if they are kings in real life though... Or queens, or paupers mayhaps who knows...
this is a nice gift for xmas. awar
Again..Lost Souls is not doing this because of a silly crown, or because we think it's a fun thing to do, or because we hate someone in particular.
We are doing it because we feel it's right.
btw still no mention of that dealbreak and hitting into hostile by fs...(I understand some may be sleeping and that's fine, but it was ignored before , just making sure I get the other side of the story before adding it to the list. Unlike a lot of people here I talked to every single kingdom involved before making the decision to raze FS.
add ascension to the BB list :) they just waved us. Though I will say at least they did it for the right reasons, so respect. I harbor no ill will towards someone protecting their friend even if I don't agree with their choice of friend.
no offense , I am not your biggest fan. And the chances that I would get the truth from you are rather small in my humble opinion. I know it looks like we are on the same team, but we really aren't. Shouldn't have brought it up and I wouldn't have had to tell you this. But as I said before..I do a lot of things, lying is not one of them.
haven't forgotten the question about if FS deal broke Iampost(Outlanders)
omg im loving this near Christmas drama!!
Goodwitch: The kingdom was Outsiders. I am part of what is left of that kingdom.
I doubt FS will ever admit to it.
I think you aren't getting an answer because nobody cares and is irrelevant to the situation playing out here.Quote:
haven't forgotten the question about if FS deal broke Iampost(Outlanders)
oh but it is so not irrelevant ...I was told specifically that if FS had dealbroke a gb would be called for by protector. But because FS claim they haven't and no one else saved proof of such(except Outsiders) BB and allies felt they needed to protect FS.
So in other words IF FS committed said dealbreak, BB and allies should actually action FS instead of SS. Or at the very least not action SS, which is still wrong in my opinion since they didn't do anything wrong and it sets a bad precedence. I can see it now, a kingdom will go to war and another kingdom can wave into that war claiming they were called in to help, then kingdom in war would get razed even if they had no knowledge of waving kingdoms plans. Of course we know no one would ever do such a far fetched thing, after all it's Utopia and everyone always plays by the rules.
anyone ever read animal farm? pretty good book.if you haven't, you should ;)
The "Fair Play Alliance" doesnt give a monkeys left testicle about DB or not. They do it every single age, when it suits them to either achieve a goal, or flex their muscles. Every age they have an excuse. Every other age, they contradict that.
I expect nothing to change.
well I believe if you want change you must fight for it. What have you done to change things lately? remember that octobrev quote? you have to care an awful lot ;)
But Octobrev failed, because he did not pinpoint that quote.
/me leaves through a hole in the sky leaving only one word "unless"
FS and me made a MAP this age.
It becomes active when one or the other kd needs help.
If a gb situation comes into play we will help them out.
I was contacted and asked to gb freekstyle. I made Francis aware of this and it was clear that IF they would receive a unjust gb we would be there for them. We are not allied to any kd involved. It be rather obvious if you watch this kd history vs the kds involved. Were just doing the right thing and help a kd out. MAP always been a part of utopia. Dont mistake it for a cf/nap/allied. These kind of deals can be made to the devil itself. I dont know why some beleive that FS would have no one to help them when they get gbed?
who didn't expect them to get help?
and who asked you to help?
also, is it unjust?
Anri , please tell me the guy who contact u is marker.... I switch side immediately
I wonder if you guys even look through your posts before actually submitting them. Whatever's been going on here has totally made my day just reading them for lols.
Can anyone seriously believe that this wasnt coordinated by someone from SS side (even if not started or led by someone from SS)? SS maxes meter, gets into a war, chains 2 dudes and within 1-2 hour, the 2 dudes got PKed by 3-4 KDs from the outside. And I am hearing claims that SS did nothing but simply fight a hostile and maxed meter and went to war?
Where were the bunch of you last age when I just pressed the button on Emeriti and coincidentally BB started hitting and razing in within the same hour? Nobody said Pyromaniacs didnt do anything, except just playing a hostile and pushing the button that was given to us? BB should be the ones razed and punished for interfering with my hostile/war, but apparently that wasnt the case. I took razes from 4 KDs after BB started razing Emeriti, and I lost 9 provinces.
Please, for god's sake, do not treat others like fools. Dont say something which you cant even convince yourself of.
Have there ever been any public declarations from myself, protector or flogger that Pyromaniacs and BB are allies? I'd like to see some of those quotes please, because I certainly cant recall any.
In fact, me, protector and flogger have always said the same thing, us and BB have fought each other in our quests for the crown almost every age until the last 2 ages, where us fighting brought neither of us closer to our goal of winning. Why is nobody buying our story that we aren't allies? Newsflash, people start associating you as allies when you seem to act like one, be it 2 KDs coming together and coordinating something that just isnt realistically possible without having talked it over beforehand or acting in favour of the other party when you feel that party has been unjustly dealt with.
Asking for explicit logs that SS explicitly was actively involved in coordinating this is ridiculous. You will never get those. None of the KDs on SS's side now would leak these logs, at least its not easy to obtain within 1 day of the incident happening. And what exactly were we supposed to do? Wait and investigate for 5 days before taking action, and FS already having 15 green provinces? Using common sense to assess that (1) we have a few in-game messages of KDs on SS's side reaching out to more KDs for help to join in on this GB and (2) the way the kills and engagement was planned and executed, it does not take a genius to arrive at the conclusion that this was planned.
Were there any logs that was between me and protector/flogger when BB hit into Emeriti last age when we pushed the button on Emeriti? My guess is no. And you wont get them, not until one day if Protector/flogger hates me, or vice versa, AND if we were as childish as CJ leaking past logs and pasting whatsapp screenshots after falling out with the other party.
Please, the least I ask of you is if you have the balls to do it, then admit it.
Just some food for thought.
If you and another kds playstyle is such that the odds of a gangbang happening is a real enough possibility that you have to make plans in advance for it, there might be something wrong with your playstyle.
Like I've never in uto history had to think "you know, I really need a contingency plan in case of random gangbang"
I was asked by SS to GB freekstyle. Did you even read my post.
There was no contingency plan in case of a random GB. SS asked Pandas to GB freekstyle and was gathering KDs to raze them into war. I have a whatsapp convo from SS that i sent to Freekstyle right after it happened. Upon this i told Freekstyle (Francis) that in case they get GBed we would help them out thus signing a simple MAP. What you are stating is wrong Meep. We had info of a few kds going to GB freekstyle and we took measures in preparing for it in case these kds would follow thru on it. If you call that a random GB then you are nuts. It was a planned GB.
This is why we help FS.
Herein lies the crux of this altercation: Reasonable Doubt
What you are saying is that these guys definitely have had to collude in order to razekill.
They MUST have been in cahoots because that is what I myself would have done because I play in an SKD and that's what i would have needed to do to produce such a result.
There is just simply no way that other aggrieved kingdoms can plan their own revenge and take snatch news on their own accord and razekill those provinces, beyond reasonable doubt.
And that's just it.
Your rhetoric is this:
KDs who war and go up the chart should be farmed for honor should they scale the honor/warring chart.
They should suck it up and eat cake when bullies come knocking, just because.
Should any possible retaliation/revenge occur, it must be organised.
Ours is more like this:
KDs who war and go up the chart should have the right to decide which wars they partake in and not coerced into.
Warring KDs should NOT suck it up and eat cake just because bullies come knocking, just because.
Any possible retaliation/revenge occuring from other KDs razing FS will depend on how badly FS rubbed them, would it not?
You, Sir, have joined in to crucify SS based on reasonable doubt.
Thinking about the embarasment of Pyro/BB/WSK/Pandas when they really discover they were on the wrong side all along.
I didn't say it was a random GB? There are no random GBs, that was the point of my post...nobody makes MAPs in advance because they might get randomly gangbanged, they do it because they know there is a real possibility they might get gangbanged.
If there is a real possibility your KD might get GB'd, then you're probably doing something wrong.
We have to go deeper.
You've been working with WSK to get them an honor crown all along, by doing all the dirty work and pissing people off.
Get yourself razekilled, get the #2 kd razekilled, and BOOM honor crown for WSK.
My hat is off to your tactical superiority
I (Lost Souls) was accused by Francis of organizing a gb. I did send messages to some kingdoms. I asked them to go to the forum and vote and voice their opinions.
I also mentioned we could start a taskforce to represent the smaller kingdoms interests for NEXT age.
Then I was accused of hitting into an active hostile. When the hostile was clearly not going to war and as far as I know FS wasn't even tagged.
Then I was accused of interfering in a war because I took intel, cause obviously no one else ever takes the news of a war they aren't in.
(If we'll be accused of everything anyway may as well do it)
You can find all those spewed all over this forum except the last one for which he sent Protector to pm me on irc.
Combined with the fact that our conflict with FS started well before this war was even started kind of proves we did none of those things.
The orders to my kingdom: raze whoever looks closest to dying(it's really not that tough to figure out)
I do talk to markers. They warred us and we stayed on friendly terms. I have also talked to ss monarch about the "deals" each of us were offered.
strangely enough the minute I started asking about a deal break possibly commited by fs as well as hitting into an active hostile I was first ignored(FS including Francis were posting all the while but the repeated questions were ignored). Then lol was booted from BB irc after asking about the db...and then told here in forum that I wouldn't get an answer because it's irrelevant. Seems to me someone could have asked FS what that was all about before deeming razes inappropriate measure.
Ascension and wsk had a war agreed but they were needed so badly that they had to cancel it? really? just another time FS(with help because I honestly don't think they came up with this by themselves)controls the crown fight.The only question is who will be heartbroken in the end. Who will be the ones next age complaining about what they did this age.
so if all this wasn't compelling enough then consider if FS has ever warred truly 1 on 1. I know y'all think everyone else is blind, but not all are. Getting 20 mill gold from outside sources for example is just as much interference as a hit, or other resources. And yea there is no proof, because it doesn't show up in kingdom news. But believe it or not there are some people that can actually calculate how much you could realistically obtain by togging or stealing from an unwilling target.
If you still think our razes are out of line I can't help you.
(of course you also didn't quote me nesta, instead you quoted arafein, who as far as I know has not razed, he may have even mentioned he isn't even playing)
FS is just getting what's coming to them
Not at all irrelevant. If FS are deal breakers which we know they are then this is an exercise in hypocrisy.
People who are helping FS should not be hitting SS but those who are hitting FS, SS is innocent and had no part in this very righteous beat down of FS.
FS is the scum of Utopia
I'm in Ascension BTW
My rhetoric is this. If you don't have a cf you are a viable target. If I can gain off you I will.
I don't remember a single kd I have waved this age or any other and not been willing to walk away with reasonable gains. If we agree to postpone engagement that's out of goodwill, not an entitlement, and certainly not 10 days away from end of age. If you're a threat and it's 10 days from end of age we won't give in to compromise of delaying our engagement of course, like anyone else who wants to win.
Hi you were contacted by whom? Your ex kd mate who joined us 2 wars ago? This proves that he is a bad prov and should be kicked. But does not prove anything else. Show me the logs, protector showed me one and if it's the same thing then its rubbish and says nothing about gb
Look, fighting over this is dumb:
At the end of the day, KDs helping SS claim that SS is organizing / helping organize it. There is no dumb 'reasonable doubt' as to what is happening.
There is no 'right' to land or honor in utopia -- it's about what you have the capacity to defend. If you choose to acquire lots of honor and don't grow, then yes, a larger kingdom can come along and take your honor. Now, I would say that this is true within reason -- there's a limit to how far a kingdom can reasonably be allowed to push another kingdom. That said, this isn't a conflict between kds that are at the bottom of the charts and are ghettos that are slugging eachother. This is between #1 and #2.
I think it's safe to say that most people would acknowledge that I'm not FS' biggest fan. Obviously I played in ED, and even after that I was close with ED until this age -- and ED and FS were at eachothers throats. There are probably reasons for kds to be mad at FS, and that's fine. Those reasons don't justify breaking an EOA CF, and the justification of 'well, they waved a kd too small to war them' is bull****.
Act like a fool, get treat like a fool.
Funny how you claim now that it's "obvious" that SS must be organizing a GB on FS, yet last age when you waved ED (about 2 ticks after FS sent us a message saying "It'd be a shame if you were a good target for another KD") it had nothing to do with FS, at least until you shared your WA messages showing it was organised by your alliance. Oh right but you're not actually an alliance, I mean you just GBed ABS last age together, ED last age together and now SS together but you're not actually in anyway allied and have no ties. Being allied doesn't mean you can't war each other or have to publicly state anything either.
Here's the problem, you're targeting SS on the assumption they asked for a GB rather than hitting other KDs doing the OOW hits, clearly hitting the KDs razing would do nothing to try and save FS crown so instead you focus on destroying the KD they're at war with and use the excuse that they must have asked for help. Strategically it's the right choice to try and help FS, but from posts made all I see are people who don't understand the situation within utopia at the moment.
Right now there are so few KDs that you can't afford to be massive jerks to a KD and assume it will never come back to you, it's not like there are +50k players so pissing off 25 of them means nothing as you'll always be 10x their KD size in future ages and untouchable. The "warring tier" might not have the activity or the mechanical knowledge of the game to pump out massive #1 land banks, or take on the few top KDs in 1v1 wars, however they are mostly filled with long time players who can manage their provs alone and have enough activity to army in and out. Right now they have a choice, there aren't enough targets around in utopia anymore with around 160 KDs left, so they can either keep doing the same thing age in age out and eventually get "****played" by KDs like FS or they can just say screw it and get revenge.
What happens when next age rolls around and there's ~5 KDs going for land/NW and the warring tier decide they're not going to be bottomfed on all age, they're not going to play for 10 weeks just to have their provs wrecked, that they're willing to group up and look out for each other as well. Is everyone going to stop going for charts just to teach the little guys a lesson? For how long are top KDs going to have to spend razing people who dare to steal from them or top feed into their KD with better gains and avoid 150 pointing their meter.
I'm razing FS because I've always said if there's a chance to screw them over I'll take it, regardless of who they're fighting, I'd do the same to Pyro.