CR vs AMA

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Originally Posted by Lupine

So Pyro and the rest gained acres through this gb conflict against dealbreakers. Pyro backed down so they have to raze the acres the gained because its unfair. Okay..so when the whole pk Ama is over, the rest of the FPA will raze their unfairly acquired acres as Pyro were asked to do? Or they don't need to because they were in this quest of finishing off AMA together and its now legit acre?

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we gained 3a total in this conflict, feel free to remove it, your wish is my command. RBL also did 100% razes just like rusty did.

From what i can see the problem is that Pyro took 15k acres, yes its a huge problem to me also. I think it was not right of them to do this, they should remove these acres. Pyro had huge self interest in this and in no way should anyone benefit from a GB.

Regarding Rusty, if they feel like exploring while participate in the GB to get better range on AMA then thats fine. Its thier pool and they can use it as they want too.

What else is there? CR got thier acres back, to the rightful owner and CR all along had top advantage over AMA/Pyro, they are left way more hurt now then they was before AMA dealbroke them. It would be more then fair if Pyro removed thier 15k acres etc.

This is just my pov, you can have you own and argue it, i wont change my mind. GBing dealbreakers is the right thing to do and they should not be left with any chances to effect the outcome of this age and they most certainly should not have chance to prov crown, WW crown etc.

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Originally Posted by Anri

we gained 3a total in this conflict, feel free to remove it, your wish is my command. RBL also did 100% razes just like rusty did.

From what i can see the problem is that Pyro took 15k acres, yes its a huge problem to me also. I think it was not right of them to do this, they should remove these acres. Pyro had huge self interest in this and in no way should anyone benefit from a GB.

Regarding Rusty, if they feel like exploring while participate in the GB to get better range on AMA then thats fine. Its thier pool and they can use it as they want too.

What else is there? CR got thier acres back, to the rightful owner and CR all along had top advantage over AMA/Pyro, they are left way more hurt now then they was before AMA dealbroke them. It would be more then fair if Pyro removed thier 15k acres etc.

This is just my pov, you can have you own and argue it, i wont change my mind. GBing dealbreakers is the right thing to do and they should not be left with any chances to effect the outcome of this age and they most certainly should not have chance to prov crown, WW crown etc.

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Is this the official Fair Play Alliance stance? Any dealbreak going forward is to result in GB'ing down to 25 greens so there is no chance to effect age outcomes?

Just want to be clear so we all know what to expect when the next dealbreak happens.

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Originally Posted by Tapout

Is this the official Fair Play Alliance stance? Any dealbreak going forward is to result in GB'ing down to 25 greens so there is no chance to effect age outcomes?

Just want to be clear so we all know what to expect when the next dealbreak happens.

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If they dont meet demands, then there is no other out then carry on GB and go for the greens. Its up to the KD getting the GB to reach demands or get hurt more then they need to be hurt. No one in AMA never had to get killed. Remember that. They still dont need to get killed. Nesta also use this in a way to make us look bad when infact for many days we been talking in our channel about things like this. Going 25 green is just a goal until terms is reached.

Well .. we stood by them and therefore didn't gain those acres elsewhere, which we could have!! And hey ... does that also mean someone get's to learn CR 10 mill books or so?

01[21:58] <Elit> [21:57] <NesTa13> when you say grudge, do you mean ****play again?
01[21:59] <Elit> i did 0 **** play all age
01[21:59] <Elit> so dont say it

This says it all does it not

Elit does still not understand what he did was wrong and there is no point what so ever to stop a GB on him

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Originally Posted by 13nesta13

Enjoy reading, tapout.

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Thank you, it is most appreciated - even more so since I'm sure posting that will not have won you many friends amongst the rest of the alliance. However I, for one, am happy that someone is at least making an effort to be open and honest about things. I also respect the decisions you made in being part of the opening GB and now pulling out as situations change, it seems to me the fairest stance anyone in this whole debacle has taken - particularly given that out of everyone you guys were one of the most affected in terms of age plans.

I also find it interesting that since the CF I've seen AMA only defend the stance you've taken and not doing any trash talking or suggest payback (that I can remember) whereas those from Fair Play seem very happily to instantly trash you guys for upholding what you believe is 'Fair Play' in the decisions you've taken.

Anyway that might take me some time to read and digest all of that, but thank you again.

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Originally Posted by Anri

If they dont meet demands, then there is no other out then carry on GB and go for the greens. Its up to the KD getting the GB to reach demands or get hurt more then they need to be hurt. No one in AMA never had to get killed. Remember that. They still dont need to get killed. Nesta also use this in a way to make us look bad when infact for many days we been talking in our channel about things like this. Going 25 green is just a goal until terms is reached.

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As one of those in AMA killed, I agree it never had to happen. GB was expected (and expected does not mean deserved), but all the fair play rhetoric is insulting on so many levels. You can't even mention Elit without calling him a liar. Either admit you feel more comfortable with the whip than under it, or man up and step off.

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Originally Posted by Tapout

Is this the official Fair Play Alliance stance? Any dealbreak going forward is to result in GB'ing down to 25 greens so there is no chance to effect age outcomes?

Just want to be clear so we all know what to expect when the next dealbreak happens.

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If you dealbreak to shape the charts, yes.

lol. Interresting to see which parts you chose to highlight and which parts you chose to let out.
Convenient you decided not to post about 10 different offers that didnt involve 25 greens. You know as well as everybody else involved, that 25 greens was the last resort, and that nobody was pushing for that. We did however agree that we would see this through till the end, and if forced we would go to 25 greens in ama.

Also convenient that you left out the part where you were okay with ama getting a ww given to them. A demand of them in order to stop things.

Will safe the rest for pm with you. You and I both know your not the saint your trying to pretend you are

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Originally Posted by American Badass

If you dealbreak to shape the charts, yes.

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Hasn't the post dealbreak (involving at least 2 dealbreaks) GB shaped the charts even more?

And to those that say the others involved gained from this:

Pyro gained 12K to 13K from this. And now refuse to raze those even though they promised.
Simians gained 3 acres I think from a testhit. Only bounces and razes besides that. I am sure anri is willing to remove those 3 acres.
Rage gained nothing. They did 100% razes and bounces.
Rusty gained nothing. They did 100% razes and bounces.
CR gained? Ehm, wait. We are still not on the size we were before AMA dealbroke and we are now razing opponents. We did loose around 900 million gc we had stocked.

So who gained here? I only see 1 KD that really gained

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Originally Posted by Anri

If they dont meet demands, then there is no other out then carry on GB and go for the greens. Its up to the KD getting the GB to reach demands or get hurt more then they need to be hurt. No one in AMA never had to get killed. Remember that. They still dont need to get killed. Nesta also use this in a way to make us look bad when infact for many days we been talking in our channel about things like this. Going 25 green is just a goal until terms is reached.

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You realise you could have taken Elits offer of a CF for all parties, not crowning and no interference when it was given and taken him at his word. Whatever happened then you guys could have walked away in a good light:

1) If he kept it you would have the Pyro / CR age end war and your ideal of a new fair play regime - having shown that you are fair and just in the way you enforce it. And allowed AMA the chance to prove they could actually keep their word and have the top united in the goals set.

2) AMA don't keep word, no-one can possibly disagree with you that they are indeed a bunch of deal-breaking ****players and then deserve to be GB'd to 25 greens, be it this age or next.

I'm not sure what you believe the current way of dealing with things makes people think of you, but it seems to me you guys have massively shot yourselves in the foot and no-one (with the exception of Nesta) seems to have the brains to see it. How any of you plan to walk away from this with a reasonable solution or with any kind of support from the rest of the server is a mystery to me.

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Originally Posted by Maximouse

lol. Interresting to see which parts you chose to highlight and which parts you chose to let out.
Convenient you decided not to post about 10 different offers that didnt involve 25 greens. You know as well as everybody else involved, that 25 greens was the last resort, and that nobody was pushing for that. We did however agree that we would see this through till the end, and if forced we would go to 25 greens in ama.

Also convenient that you left out the part where you were okay with ama getting a ww given to them. A demand of them in order to stop things.

Will safe the rest for pm with you. You and I both know your not the saint your trying to pretend you are

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He also skips the bits in a pm to me he is weighing up if Pyro will gain out of all this. I guess they did :)

Anri are you jelly that you cant win WW/province crown yourself.

http://i.imgur.com/Hv3Nu.gif

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Originally Posted by American Badass

Nesta, you shouldn't air your dirty laundry when you are not so clean yourself mate ;)

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I've never really understood this point of view, and it's one that is shared by many in these forums. Logs should be freely shared. If people are as good and their intentions as righteous as they claim to be, then the logs should show it. I see no reason to hide logs. If you have logs which show a different point of view, or paint the alliance in a different light, show them. If you disagree with the logs he has posted, explain why. If you feel that he has left out critical information in the "??", say so. Secrets are the last thing that should be kept when trying to be "fair" and "right;" if anything, withholding information and being opaque creates many of these issues due to misunderstandings.