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He left the tpp trade deal, he signed directive to build the wall, he got rid of crushing regulations and the pipeline will be built. He already said Hilary Clinton fate is up to attorney general. He did drain the swamp in many ways. One is no more lobbiest in the white house and no white house staff can work with or for any lobbiest. He also kept alot of factory here with tweets. Name one thing Obama did?
I don't think you quite understand what "keeping promises" means. This makes sense considering you idolize someone that has absolutely no grasp for reality.
Already did that earlier in this thread. Doing something and doing something stupid are 2 different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
Tweets don't save jobs. Tweets don't keep factories in the country. BTW. Did you know at the same time He says he saved 800 jobs (claimed it was more, you know he exaggerates everything.) while the same company still got rid of around 700 jobs.
Soo whoo hoo... Saved 100 jobs! What was the price tag again? Millions of dollars?
He put the 'swamp' in his cabinet. He drained nothing except Americans out of his inauguration. Place was pretty damn empty.
Yes he left the TTP. Now we have to wait and see what he actually negotiates in a new deal. Counting chickens before they are hatched now?
There is quite a list of Obama achievements including turning the economy around after the Bush years and the GOP almost sunk it. All you need to do is look to see what he did but you wont do that. You would rater believe 'Alternative Facts'. Lol.
Obama at least carried himself with dignity while Trump attacks the country that elected him and is a international embarrassment.
Crushing regulations? Can you name 1? Oh, you meant those regulations that help keep corporations from poisioning our Air and water for a profit? Yes, what evil evil regulations.
CNN is so biased and make such outrages false statements there basically a tabloid anymore. You still haven't said anything Obama did as president? Economy was going to bounce back with or without him. None of his policies actually did anything to help. All he really did was make himself rich and play golf. That's about it.
Stop trying to deflect. The thread isn't Obama 2012.
CNN is a perfectly acceptable news outlet. Go back to the brefart (or whatever it is) comment section.
Dude. You were already caught believing fake news in this thread.
Ah,so the economy has nothing to do with the president and his policies... Trump can't do anything about the economy now? Could have sworn that was a major reason you all voted for him.
That last comment is fully laughable... Especially since we already have Trump staff members leaking about how lazy the man is.
Modesty has gone out the window.
You can only fight fire with fire when people hold each other in contempt ...
but 4realz ...
Civil war when?
NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkz Azn
(if civil war counts as national parks tweeting things)
A dictatorship at it's finest...
The Trump administration is mandating that any studies or data from scientists at the Environmental Protection Agency undergo review by political appointees before they can be released to the public.
Basically they only get to release what Trump approves.
Yea, I'm beging to think Trump either gets impeached soon or the womens march will simpy be the primer for something much bigger.
So you elected Trump to get another guy who enriches himself, plays golf, and outsources policy making to other people.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
Wow.
You must have really loved Obama. You know Obama isn't dead right? You can talk to him and ask what to do with your life now that the best Presidency since 1980 has ended.
Wonder what Handofthrawn thinks of this...
"Trump’s breach of promise over the release of his tax returns is even more gratuitous than Clinton concealing her Goldman Sachs transcripts,” WikiLeaks said in another tweet on Sunday.
I am self employed myself and tax returns don't mean anything. Why it's not required to be released to be president. They have a entirely different forms that is more indepth that he was forced to fill out and is online for everyone to see. Good business man never makes a dollar, they just reinvest it into something else. Plus your just grasping at straws. Trump has done more in one week then Obama did in 8 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swirvin'Birds
Deflect some more. Seems to work for Trump right? Rest of this post is pure nonsense. Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
You just don't know what your talking about but it's ok Trump is here to stay and life is good. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Swirvin'Birds
If you mean damage, and a fool of himself... sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
You know that Democracy is a flawed system if your options are Donald Effin' Trump and the Lizard Queen.
Your 'Great Negotiator' completely failed his 1st negotiation. He wants Mexico to pay for the wall. Tweets if the Mexican President doesn't want to pay for the wall to cancel his trip. Trip canceled. Now they float out a tariff that makes Americans pay for the wall.
To top it off he pissed Mexico off so bad they are now refusing to help stop drugs flowing across our borders...
That's the worst negotiation I have ever seen... Wtf is he going to 'negotiate' for us next?
We buy 2/3 of Mexicos goods and there will be a tariff. Which will pay for the wall and keep factories here. How is that not simple enough? I swear people are just brain dead on subjects of tariffs. Fyi Mexico never did anything to help stop drug trafficking. If anything the Mexican government was behind it all.
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Originally Posted by trekdrop
You insult the Lizard Queen using this description...certainly there are better discriptions
Then you don't understand tariff's. It's on the purchaser to pay tariffs. This is on imports. It is on American companys to pay that tax who are bringing in the product for sale. That tax is then passed on to the consumer. Us the American Public. Not Mexico. If we taxed Exports THEN the Mexican companies and consumers pay.
But then 40% of Mexican imports come from the US. They can do the same to us. That's a lot of jobs. Do you not see the problem here? Let's not even discuss what hurting the Mexican economy will do for our borders. The worse off Mexico is the more people you will have flooding the borders for a better life.
So what are we gonna do? Tariff every country that can produce **** cheaper than us? They can tariff us right back.
Over 100,000 dead and over 30,000 missing in Mexicos war on drugs. Let that sink in...
The WORST part about all of this is he had a chance to negotiate but instead shut down all negotiation with 1 idiotic tweet.
I do understand tariffs and what they actually accomplish. Sure Mexico companies can pass the cost onto the consumer, but then the consumer won't purchase the items at the higher rates. So they will buy American made brands in this instance. Other option is Mexican companies eat the tariff hence paying for the wall. Either way tariff is paid up front at the border and not when the goods are sold. 20% tariff the wall will be paid for in a few years. This deal only one country loses and that's Mexico. Yes Trump is obviously a man of his word and all foreign goods will have tariffs put on them. Also fyi Mexico has tariffs on goods coming from the USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swirvin'Birds
Dude. Start from scratch and read tariff laws. Mexican companies will not have to pay for what is proposed. The purchaser in the US will. It's something prety dang simple that you are missing.
Yes. And the Mexican purchaser pays for that tariff which goes to the Mexican government. Just as the U.S. purchaser will pay for the proposed tariff and the money goes to the U.S. government.
Under what is propsed the Mexican government doesn't pay **** for the wall.
If your right why is China, Mexico and all other countries terrified of tariffs? You need to do your homework and stop listening to msnbc or CNN. There just liberal networks who promote false news. Tariffs are paid at the border for goods, not at the register. As I said they can pass along the expense to the customer but then customers won't buy there goods. So they end up eating the cost. It's pretty simple honestly and why it's backed by unions and even Bernie Sanders.
That doesn't 'pay' for the wall. That's just not buying their stuff. That is not Mexico paying.
Do yourself a favor. Quit thinking all news sources are fake. I know you already bought fake news hook line and sinker in this thread but that is no reason to put your faults on others. What fake news have I posted about? Please tell me.
Yes. But NOT by the company delivering. The company purchasing the product does. Really. How can you debate something withouy even bothering to look it up?
Because trade wars are ugly. Both economies can suffer. Markets are global.
I have done my research and everyone agrees only Mexico will suffer. Mexico will cave and pay for the wall. Also they will still have a tariff put on there goods coming here. It's a great time to be an American. ;)
Sigh... 'everyone agrees'. Can you point me too this 'everyone'.
U.S. goods equate to 40% of Mexico's imports. That's jobs here in the U.S. If you don't think Mexico can do damage in return your fooling yourself. 1.1 Million jobs are supported by our trade with Mexico. Mexico is 2nd in buying American Exports. They are our 3rd largest trade partner.
If you like watching a train wreck you could be right.
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Handofthrawn, even if you were right that the manufacturer could and would somehow magically absorb the extra cost - for the most part, you're not - the reality is that we're not generally talking about locally-owned businesses. Companies manufacturing in Mexico include GM, IBM, HP, 3M, Nestle, GSK, Bayer, P&G...the list goes on and on.
These companies are generally publicly traded, but owned and operated primarily out of the US. Meaning...even if the manufacturer absorbs the extra costs, it's *still* the American consumer paying for it. And the reason countries don't like tariffs is because it undermines the viability of certain competitive products - so maybe companies will move their manufacturing to other countries, or even State-side, to avoid the tariffs...but the manufacturing in Mexico in the first place is because it's cheaper. If a company shuts down a Mexican manufacturing plant and moves it elsewhere, then the price for consumers in the US will go up, regardless, and...guess what, that still doesn't pay for the wall. (Now, if the plant is moved State-side, that creates jobs...but it would also result in tariffs going the other way, eliminating jobs for exports going into Mexico...so yeah, trade war = bad.)
Brandon: Most of these free trade deals expressly require certain rules to be followed to ensure a level playing field. For instances, consider the softwood lumber dispute between Canada and the US: In Canada, most timber land is government owned; the cost to harvest lumber is set by the government. In the US, it's mostly privately owned. So the US landowners get upset because they don't think that Canadian Provincial governments charge enough for the harvest of lumber, and they lobbied the Department of Commerce to impose duties. There are adjudicative mechanisms in place, and additional agreements to be reached, to resolve disputes of that nature - so when the Department of Commerce levied duties on Canadian lumber, the NAFTA appeal panel (and the WTO) held that while there was some legitimacy to the perception of a subsidy, but that the duties were calculated too high, based on inflated prices on the US market instead of with reference to Canadian market conditions (i.e. lots of lumber, not so much demand).
There's some thought that, when Trump seeks to renegotiate NAFTA, he's going to put a lot of pressure on the softwood lumber front. But here's the thing: Canada's export economy is heavily rooted in natural resources, and a 'fair' deal for natural resources is REALLY important to Canadians. Canadians weren't thrilled about NAFTA in the first place - we had to rejig our entire consumer goods taxation system at the start (in the past, we had a framework of manufacture taxes and duties...but 'free trade' precluded such duties, so we had to merge both into a consumer-end VAT), and it damaged certain domestic industries. The political party that brought it in was literally destroyed by the fallout. And when the US went ahead and levied duties against our natural resources ANYWAYS, it deprived Canadians of much of the benefit they thought they'd get from NAFTA. NAFTA remains widely unpopular in Canada, and while most Canadians are okay leaving it in place because removing it would disrupt various markets again, the simple truth is that Canadians are *not* going to be okay making significant concessions - it would be political suicide for any Canadian leader to allow modifications to NAFTA that don't ultimately position us at least as well as the status quo.
I have had to explain tariffs to alot of people last few days. Main thing each person can't understand is this simple fact. The company has to pay the tariff up front at the border. So if I ship 8 cars in i have to pay a 20% tariff on those 8 cars as it crosses the border. Sure they can pass that 20% cost to the customer but would anyone actually pay that 20% increase? Probably not honestly so companies would have to either eat the tariff cost or move the factory back home. This will fulfill two of his promises, pay for the wall and bring factories back to the USA. It's a win, win for Trump.
Thats because your completely WRONG. The company bringing in the product pays the tariff. The purchaser. Not the Mexican company delivering it across the border.
Just google tariff laws and stop spouting out complete B.S.
If you don't think that 20% isn't going to be passed on to the consumer your nuts.
1.1 million jobs directly supported by our trade with Mexico. Your losing jobs.
His promise wasn't just to pay for the wall. It was for Mexico to pay for the wall. Promised it wouldn't cost taxpayers a dime. He repeated it over and over again and made it very clear.
Like I said they can pass cost onto the consumer but consumer can say I won't pay that price and buy goods made in the USA. Either way Mexico will bend or they will break. Either is fine with me, the USA is in a win, win situation. So regardless it doesn't matter to me one way or the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swirvin'Birds
Either way Mexico didn't pay for the wall.
That's the thing you're missing lol
Are you sure? Even Republicans on the Hill are saying no to the wall without the spending cuts to pay for it. Like I said before. He totally botched negotiations with Mexico and we are picking up the tab for his foolishness. Some negotiator...
A broken Mexico is not what we need. That will send millions more flooding our borders and your puny, massively expensive to build and maintain wall won"t keep them out.
They will pay for the wall or bankrupt themselves. There choice honestly, this entire thing isn't complicated. The corrupt media makes it a big deal. In the end Trump has already done great things for small business owners. Even Bernie Sanders agreed his trade deals are great. You have to break eggs to make omelets. If Mexico wants to be the first country to test him, I suggest go for it. Only they can lose in a trade war. My guess they pay for the wall and then pay to ship back all illegal immigrants while kissing Trump's a**. Just my guess. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Swirvin'Birds
Can people please stop trying to argue with handofthrawn as if he was a rational person? It's getting embarassing, k thx.
I am a very rational person and so is every other American that voted for Trump. You just don't like our position, which is America first.I could care less what people like you think. KQuote:
Originally Posted by TommyB
No they aren't. The ACA had a higher approval rating than Obamacare.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
I'm not saying all Republican voters are irrational, or only Republican voters are irrational, but to say that every single person who voted for Trump is rational is ...well...irrational
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One way, American consumers pay for the wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
The other way, American consumers pay more for local products (which doesn't pay for the wall) and one of their biggest trade partners runs into major economic problems.
That's not so much a 'win-win' as it is a 'lose-lose' - especially when the stated goal is for Mexico to pay for the wall, because in either event, it's not actually happening.
Using a tariff as a club to extort money out of other countries is not only very poor foreign policy, but it's also self-defeating. The logic behind free trade, as most Republicans understand, is that while a tariff might ostensibly create 'jobs at home', it also increases prices, and typically drives other jobs out of the country. Ultimately, trade wars drive up consumer prices, and don't really help domestic employment. In effect, what you're suggesting is an ultimatum to Mexico: "Give us money, or we'll stop buying your cheap stuff." It's cutting off your nose to spite your face.
(Not the first time Trump has done that, incidentally. When he felt snubbed by Univision, he told Univision that their people were no longer welcome on his golf course. To which I'm pretty sure Univision's response would have been something like, "No problem, this is south Florida, you can't throw a rock without it bouncing in five different golf courses." Very much a "I'll take my ball and go home" kind of action by Trump, and very much one that's more harmful to Trump's interests than to Univision.)