I don't think me and Persain are best friends, so please tell me which friend I'm helping out here. So much for the hypocrisy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aranfein
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I don't think me and Persain are best friends, so please tell me which friend I'm helping out here. So much for the hypocrisy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aranfein
Emeriti took like 7k+ acres during their opening wave we sent a emerald dragon while wave #2 has been soso from Spartans giving them a total of 10k land and 13 massacres from us. Before wave #2 from Spartans they broke the cf they had with emeriti and stole a some money. I'm waiting for bart to come back with an apologetic tone and offer something reasonable if he doesnt want the natural progression that gb follows. I'll counter with something harsher than the intial offer we gave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace
Can give a brief summary, who + who against who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Persain
right now its Spartans v emeriti+divinity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feint
In response to some statements in here that Emeriti have dealbroken Spartans; they are untrue. Emeriti asked Spartans to offer compensation to Divinity for their dealbreak and in return Spartans cancelled their eoa CF with Emeriti and stole alot of gc to fund their continued fight with Divinity. In response to that we waved Spartans.
Divinity never walk alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Persain
So far its not even a gangbang if we gonna get all technical again
Divinity made 1 ambush on May 3rd and send a dragon into Spartans on May 9th.
On May 7th Spartans broke their ingame CF with Emeriti and robbed their gold, on May 10 Emeriti started hitting Spartans.
Once Divinity starts hitting Spartans together with Emeriti, then we have a gangbang going on, until then its two pretty one sided hostiles.
Edit: Also just see Mithras post that was done while I was writing this :P. Spartans have pretty much created an upcoming 2 vs 1 soley by their own actions.
Can I join in once I done with rebuilding... Love to kick some spartan ass----
Emeriti had every right to help with this. Even if they were the ones to break cf.
There are no innocent parties here, and on that statement I'll defend Spartans.
If anyone is having a fair but lost war against another party it was because you were thoroughly beatable.
That's overstepping a bit I agree, but just by an inch. I know it's true by my personal experiences.
All you need is Dark Elves. 25 of em. Epic winning!
Yea, spartans broke the CF lol. Emeriti asks us to agree to something they know we won't possibly agree to and basically says they will break EOA CF in 3 hours, then call us DBers when we strike first :P
Game Date May 6 of YR10
Real Date Mon, 16 Nov at 22:55 GMT+00:00
Sender The Wealthy Lord Irish of Old Dutch
Recipient King Dirty Killer the Rogue of Moaning Murderer
Subject Hey
This is Chris_Keeling. It is currently 4:50 CST. I suggest you find me online quickly. We will be breaking our cf with you if you do not have terms agreed upon in 3 hours.
This is not a threat. You have deal broken our allies. We will come after you very hard if a resolution is not promptly met.
her are the offered terms from Divinity.
1--take equal damage we took, give acres, pump for 4 days and war
2 give us soemthing of "equal" value
3. get gb'ed
Feel free to whatsaap me if you want. xxx-xxx-xxxx
You should probably delete his number from the post.
Thought emeriti didn't have allies?
Omg I have Chris's phone number now!! I know who to send selfies too!!!!!
Like I said..the Spartan Fan Club will pipe up. Except it's much smaller now...
emeriti will always have allies as long as this game is running. guess not even awar can change that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zauper
you know this says alot considering u also love to troll us. also its like sure, how would we stop you ;) just make sure to pm me on irc so whatever kd your in doesnt give spartans a free WW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feint
They don't have allies that will help them solely for crown purposes, at least not from usQuote:
Originally Posted by Zauper
anyway, we're not stupid to destroy our reputation just because we hate divinity for the wave they did and we badly wanted revenge. we have a reason for breaking that cf because we strongly believe its not an eoacf. this wouldnt have happened if persain didnt get greedy in that 1 hit on a tm and simply accepted that cf on the 7th which bart REALLY EMPHASIZED NO LATER THAN 7TH. i mean they made 2 waves alrdy why make it a big deal on a last hit. we simply want that cf to be accepted on the 7th.
and as for Emeriti helping their ally and hitting us in an eoacf (technically we broke it first because they meant to break it anyway), this is not the first time Emeriti is involved in something, is it?
You mean if I accidentally ended up with a war against spartan, both divinity and emeriti will step back?
It's ok Goodwitch, I just said stuff to get the replay. I'm on break and don't have time to do forum archeology.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodwitch
I only troll for utilitarian purposes. I apologize if I hurt any feelings.
Why make a big deal (ie dealbreak) over the fact that the last hit was made late 7th and that the cf was accepted just minutes into the 8th? A span of a few minutes? What possible consequence did that have for the deal itself? If you guys felt so strongly about the 7th, why werent u online to withdraw that ingame cf offer when seconds remained of the 7th since that was when, according to your view, the cf offer ended?Quote:
Originally Posted by p0ngkol
You seem so hung up on, and certain that the ingame CF dictated everything, and made or broke the standing deal, still you didnt withdraw your ingame CF late on the 7th? You left it there to be accepted on the 8th.
Since in your eyes, everything revolves around the ingame cf, simply not withdrawing it late 7th can just as well be seen as accepting Persains word that any deal made will be an eoa cf and that his last hitter will hit later on, maybe 7th but no later then 10th, and he will then accept the ingame cf?
If 'you thought' we were supposed to break it anyways then you should have waited for us to break it.Quote:
Originally Posted by p0ngkol
Secondly Emeriti is/was involved but not as many times as you guys have been involved in this one age itself.
Thirdly if you guys were on your word that cf had to be accepted on 7th then you should have withdrawn it one minute before 7th or a few seconds after 8th. But you didn't. So that clearly shows that you indirectly agreed to Persian's post of between 7th to 10th.(like shai csaid)
So technically you deal broke not one but two kingdoms.
We offered a CF that was EOA under certain terms, they took the CF but not under terms we agreed to. We were under no obligation to clarify the mistake for them, we owed them nothing. They didnt deserve the favor of pointing out their obvious mistake after they waved us. The only difference it made is we could wave them back with out DB this age instead of waiting till next age.
If you dont want a kd to get nitpicky and hold you to the exact language of a CF deal then maybe dont piss off a kd by waving them during war negotiations? Dynastie boosters or Spartan haters can spin it how they want but we offered a deal and the deal was not taken. Doesnt matter if they missed the deal by an inch or a mile, the bottom line is they didnt meet the explicitly stated requirements for the CF to be until EOA. If they took a CF that didnt meet the deal we offered them and walked away it is not our problem, the burden of fixing good diplo with a kd they waved is on them... not on us.
2 questions have been specifically asked. Why not answer them?Quote:
Originally Posted by beans
1) why was there no mention that cf will not be accepted or eoacf wont be considered if accepted after 7th.
2) why didn't you cancel the cf a few seconds before or after 8th?
Please answer!!
Edit - I am just trying to be nitpicky in the kingdom who tries to be nitpicky in making deals
You keep referring to Divinity warring during war negotiations. Negotiations were 100% over when we waved.
First, we tried to arrange a legit war, except as your current king stated (after we made the EoA CF)
"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Count Dirty Killer the Rogue of Moaning Murderer (Spartans) said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Wish we could've warred, sadly we don't do hostiles and your KD doesn't do agreed wars :P"
Legit war negotiations ended because you guys demanded a <20 minute hostile, we wouldn't agree to it.
Following legit war negotiations, you started to try to negotiate a fake war, which we instantly turned down. We told you there was no way we were ever going to agree to any fake war, involving agreed WD, agreed provs to not hit, ops to not use, ect.
There were no war negotiations on going when we waved. We even told you before we waved, if you wanted a war loss to blemish your perfect WW record so you could get some more ghettos to agree to war you, you were about to have the button and you could do with it what you wanted.. my words not persains exactly ;)
Finally, you keep saying we got 2 waves in on you before accepting cf. We made 4 trads and then some bounces, 12 hours later we did a full wave after it was clear you weren't going to war. Hardly two full waves.
1) we didnt need to state that because we already stated that it could be "no later then the 7th"Quote:
Originally Posted by Judge
2) it wasnt in our best interest to cancel the cf then. They forced us to offer an EOA CF but we were under no obligation to point out or fix their mistake when they took a CF on the 8th despite it being clearly stated that our EOA CF could be accepted no later then 7th
Why didnt they follow up to confirm that it was an EOA CF after they missed the dead line? they could have renegotiated right then and we would have had no choice but to agree to new terms? They got greedy and missed the deadline because they wanted to get that last hit in, then didnt even bother to fix diplo. It's not a complicated situation, they burned us but messed up their diplo and didnt fix it. It is not our job to help fix the bad diplo of our enemies.
Lol. With the attitude of beans and Spartans. I really hope divinity and friends don't suddenly grow a soft spot.
@Spartans : you should know by now that Emeriti isn't a very 'well liked' kd. And when none of the top condemns their current actions, and none of Emeriti haters thinks you are right. It can only mean 1 thing. This is not even remotely grey at all
Go figure
Its funny how how a new twist of interpretation is presented, by one part or the other, and then suddenly everyone has this new interpretation and preaches it like its truth. Carry on. *grabs popcorn*
But yeah, why hung up on the 7th. Why not inform the other party if its a eoacf or not. It is an abvious rationalization and nitpick on details to wash your concious free from the bad behaviour you endvor on. And yes, that is what the is done in the corporation world as well. We are but humans, doing this ofcourse, blinded by greed and in-group-selfishness.
As the utopia top world tries to solve moral problems by doing contracts, with terms and cf..... so does the coporate world fail by solving their moral problems, as putting society, individuals and environment alike, in danger. Learn from one or the other.
Beans got it right in that contracts is a two-parter... 1.spirit of the deal... 2.techincalities... I forgot why it was motivated to stick with techincalities, but should stick to the spirit of it all. Cause only the spirit is moral!!! ;)
Did D break spirit of cf while negotiating? Yes.
Did S break spirit of cf at that 7th/8th? Yes.
Is any party more right than the other? No.
- Its simply difficult to compare two wrongs with each others, but for that sake you dont have to agree to that both are just as wrong...
Is contracted cfs gonna solve behavioural dilemmas between parties? Not really.
So how, if making contracts, even contract like that Bill of Rights, aint gonna solve moral problems in a society, what will? Look no further but to glorious, socialistic SWEDEEEEEN. OH YES, my fellows. Sweden and scandinavian countires has solves a behavioural problem that countries like France, England and that new one, USA, needed some kind of contract get close to solving. It took like 500 years in the making to get it there, with a (christian) lutherian background, a king, Gustav Vasa, that put the people first instead of the lordships (the "top"), and in a few hundred years the people in the countries learned that you could trust your fellow man, that they would honor the spirit of their bargains and deals, that they would hold their word, and that there would be a king to put the wrong to right if some lordship exploited the small and poor.
Tragedy struck when those swedes and other naive scandinavians migrated to that new land in the west who called itself the United states of an America in the 19th century. When some inbred cowboys asked those blond-haired fellas to borrow a shovel or some grains for sowing, they just took it never intending to give that gain or shovel back and just lol'ed with a "no contract was signed, I can break tha promise as I please". With sadness intheir hearts, the gullible swedes learned to not hand inbred cowboys their shovels... But even today, having their long lost culutural heritage from the medieval sweden, and even if they have learned to protect themself from greedy americans, they have more trust in their fellow man then the rest of, rightly so, cynical america, and honors the spirit as often as they can afford. True story.
Enuff history and ethics class. Back to solving your problems with your fists!
Classy. Emiriti hitting into a Spartan war now? Kidding probably didnt see the war dec when he attacked. Lets see what happens though! Popcorn
Classy. Spartans deal breaking 2 kds and opening relations and then running into a war before closing either one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aces
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Aces
Dealbreakers eat hits
And now you even start to steal my dialogues?Quote:
Originally Posted by zaza945
In other less dramatic news it seems the war between Ascention and FS has begun, good luck to both sides.
emeriti feel free to hold your hits until after the war. We managed to find a KD that will war us with out a huge acre advantage and endless hostile time. If you got a problem save it till EOW CF at least.
Huge as in less than 5% or?
Don't forget the new breed has been hit none stop by the pandas.
Warrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!
Spartaaa!!
dealbreakers dont get to run into fakewars to escape punishment for dealbreakingQuote:
Originally Posted by beans
Hits do not stop on a deal break even when you run to a fake war. Unfortunately things just get worse. Man again I feel I need to shower for agreeing with emeriti. Anyway #25green
1. The deal was already voided by dicks. If Emeriti wants free land, they should just call it by what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
2. Fake war? You kidding? Take a SN, see for yourself.