You sure? Pretty sure we waved #1 land OOP. Was right on our island ;pQuote:
Originally Posted by Cappodocians
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You sure? Pretty sure we waved #1 land OOP. Was right on our island ;pQuote:
Originally Posted by Cappodocians
omg a double hostile by BB and Pandas!!Quote:
Originally Posted by protector
CR isnt fun to play in, they are super racist towards recruiting Australians..... ever since platypus left a bit of a sour taste. I think its topsy's fault somehow.
Wouldn't happen with Stinger. Give Mink the boot!Quote:
Originally Posted by Godly
Well, Cappo specifically mentioned Spartans. So let's think about this for a second. Spartans is in the top 5 and comes to me, asking about agreeing to a non-compete deal. You and I, at the end of last age, agreed that those deals are kinda dumb and not something either of us should be making because the result is that the top gets distorted by kingdoms that 'aren't competing' but are screwing things up for kds that are. So we said no and stated that we would be ok with waving them. Ultimately they decided to give us 5k acres instead. That's ok for us I suppose, but we had 2 weeks in which we could have fought them and taken significantly more. In exchange for us being nice, you guys also got 5k acres even though you had neither time nor space to fight them. It would have been significantly more in our interest to just wave them. Then you guys turn around and complain about us taxing them, when in reality we could/should have used the opportunity to gain a 10-15k acre advantage, rather than 0.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
Our provs who were mostly hitting them were 3.5k acres with ~400 BPA. Your upper core were around 5k acres -- it would have been much easier for you guys to fit the offense in and hit, frankly. But yes, obviously buying sci is also a useful thing to do.Quote:
We had no possible way to train up like CR did in the time CR did because after 3 quick wars we needed some kind of place to pump our KD.
From the outside it looked bad watching how hit after hit was made by a few provs while this 4 man KD did not respond back at all to ingame mail.
There was never an answer to why they explored while getting hit, nor to why they did not retal and so forth. Who played the 4 provs farming out, do you know, what did they say to you?
As far as who the 4 man kd were -- no idea. Don't know who plays there, and they have never talked to us, really. I got the following message from them, as the only communication:
That's all the communication we received. We stopped shortly after being asked to.Quote:
Subject Ok that's enough now
4+ days is long enough. You've had your fun, accept cf and move on plz
It's possible that we are remembering different OOPs. We're talking about this age, where you randomed OOP and went fort, right? Then the next day you dropped OOF and waved The U? You couldn't have been waving #1 since you were #1 at that time due to your exploring OOP. You guys opted to CF us and wave The U, probably in no small part because you felt like it would be a much easier conflict -- there was a ~100a difference and of course we had significantly more NW than they did. I guess congrats on making the 'aggressive' play of waving the weaker kd that was 6 hours into fort so they couldn't retal effectively? You only had 25% more NW than they did, it was very brave and you deserve respect for it, unlike those jokers in CR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cappodocians
Look, it's the smart play, I'm not criticizing you for it. But there's no need to dress it up as being anything other than what it was -- extracting acres from a weaker kingdom with limited options. KDs that have just entered fort are prime targets, they were that, fat, and couldn't retal -- and that's why you waved them.
Official statement from Spartans on this TLDR matter:
http://extremusmilitis.wordpress.com...00spartan1.gif
Zauper what makes you think we never had time to hit Spartans down if we wanted to hit them down?
Also what makes you think if you had taken 15k from them they had not at least opped you back to slow you and that we had probably just pushed to get more acres elsewhere?
All what you are speaking about here is just silly. Not sure what you are trying to accomplish. You seem to be pissed off at your own self for having 0 wars this age?
Its not our problem. We prefer to play this way, you prefer to play your way. I find your way both lame, boring and kinda pussy but its your own call to play this way. We play like we consider is more fun and more fair, you can stick to your way of playing. You can debate the subject until you turn blue in your face, 9/10 people will not be a fan of your playing style.
A kd on 0/0 wars vs a KD on 4/4 wars, cmon, no one is really going to buy into all of what you are saying Zauper. Just deal with it.
That was a tactical error anri
Moral of story: First raze banks then do diplo. This time I first did diplo without being able to raze banks. Was an error based on me thinking we had good relations. Lesson well learnt. I still love all of u though, but u gotta understand that as Octobrev is my Teacher I've grown more fond of my acres!
Well, we would have noticed you when you came OOW. Sure, you could have waved Spartans immediately, but that's probably a bad call on your part. Initiating conflict with a kd half your size during #1/#2 notice is usually frowned on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
They probably would have opped back, but it would have been relatively meaningless. You could have pushed to get more acres from elsewhere as well, but that doesn't change the fact that we are better served by being aggressive than nice, and taxing is us being nice. Maybe you push div to give you 25k acres instead of 10k if we take 15k off Spartans. GL absorbing another 10k acres and prepping for war at the same time?Quote:
Also what makes you think if you had taken 15k from them they had not at least opped you back to slow you and that we had probably just pushed to get more acres elsewhere?
I'm not pissed off at us for having 0 wars. I'm annoyed that you guys are complaining we've had no wars. We've been open to warring on multiple occasions, but people ask us to not war us instead and if we can extend them -- and we've been generous on that. You can't simultaneously ask us to extend you because you feel like you'd be at a disadvantage warring us and want to war us fairly, and then complain that we continue to grow without wars while you convince weaker kds to war you instead of us.Quote:
All what you are speaking about here is just silly. Not sure what you are trying to accomplish. You seem to be pissed off at your own self for having 0 wars this age?
I'm pissed off that we go out of our way to be generous and nice to kds that are at a disadvantage vs us and all we get for it is **** in the forums.
Shrug, ok. You can pretend there's a difference between our playstyles if you want just because you have wars and we don't. The biggest difference I see is that you have had better luck in either timing CFs for wars or convincing kds to fight you instead of us. If that's our fault for being 'too strong', then so be it.Quote:
Its not our problem. We prefer to play this way, you prefer to play your way. I find your way both lame, boring and kinda pussy but its your own call to play this way. We play like we consider is more fun and more fair, you can stick to your way of playing. You can debate the subject until you turn blue in your face, 9/10 people will not be a fan of your playing style.
If it's 'pussy' for us to extend you for free so we can have a more even fight, then I'm sorry we're so pussy. If it's 'pussy' for us to have gotten less free 'tax' acres than you this age, then so be it. I'm glad you've enjoyed your wars.
It seems to me that you feel like we should lose the age, or our playstyle is bad, because people haven't been willing to war us all age and we've been nice and respected that -- and that is the epitome of the honor/WW tier logic. It's not that we haven't had a war because we've been dodging them (I don't even know how we would do that), it's because every kd in range has opted to war someone else, and we haven't pushed the issue.
The div situation is a perfect example. They setup a deal with you guys to enable them to dodge us, but if we wanted to force the issue we could have because the deal was poorly worded (as I pointed out to both you and them). You initially even said that you wanted us to war them so you guys could pump and whore to match us in growth and you were worried that they would farm out to you. Then you said that you were going to refuse to extend them. At that point, we have two options -- we can force our poorly worded deal (and get conflict + a lot of drama), or we can just go grow so that we feel like we can compete with the winner, who we expect to win big (and who did!). So we grew. And it seems like you're upset that we didn't let you get a significant land advantage vs us through war, which doesn't really make sense to me. While you simultaneously complain that we didn't fight any wars. Well hello, we could have fought one there. Or we could have just fought you after BB instead of doing the nice thing and extending you for free so that you could pump to compete with us. But yeah, we're the bad guys for not warring or whatever.
I'm not sure what I'm asking people to buy, but OK. You guys seem to be the ones with an axe to grind. Which is interesting, since we were friendly up until about a week and a half to two weeks ago, which I guess is around when we trained up to grow while you were fighting div.Quote:
A kd on 0/0 wars vs a KD on 4/4 wars, cmon, no one is really going to buy into all of what you are saying Zauper. Just deal with it.
What's with all the TL; DR?
Stick to memes pls, this is boring.
Leave Spartans out of it please.
Less QQ, more PewPew.
Hostile update?
Actually they left fort and explored immediately before we started hitting them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
AFAIK they didn't explore at all after we started hitting.
One of the two actually ducked into vacation mode the same tick we hit him, and got kicked out about 12 hours later by bishop, only to log on and set VM again, this time being kicked out and suspended by bishop very quickly after it started.
That's why one of the two didn't do anything, I'm not sure about the other.
I said all along that had he just retal'd with razes, even if he farms out to the rest of the KD, it would have been much smarter and given us a lot less above-the-cap acres.
This. You can't simultaneously refuse to war us, and then complain that you warred while we whored and pumped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zauper
I mean you can, but it just doesn't make sense.
The bigger systemic problem is just that with you guys warring and nobody else on the server whoring aggressively, we got every single good target all age and nobody really had the leverage to slow us down or put us at risk of falling behind in a hostile, etc...