CR vs AMA

maxi godly and CR are trying to make deals with the same ghettos they talked down to and mistreated all age. now in a attempt to prevent from being hit when they are conspiring with rage/pyro/pew/monkeyman to GB ama...

ghettos unite!!! don't fall for their lies.. and their fake cf or hand of friendship... CR/Havoc are in a dirty alliance that needs to be exterminated if utopia is to thrive again... these rogue kds and players are not your friends make them pay for this insult... if this dirty alliance tries to GB any kd... Utopia needs to rise up and attack them let your voice be heard through your actions..

Even tho he is my teammate i rarely agree with Proteus' posts... But this one is spot on!

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Originally Posted by Proteus

You disregarded the bulk of my statement. There is a difference in ****play, if you get ****played FIRST it is clearly worse than reacting to that ****play and fighting fire with fire. The problem here is if you let people ****play you but do not punish them for doing so they will have no incentive to stop doing it. Perfect case was when Bio kept 2v1ing Rage and we would just farm them 1v1, they looked like crap getting farmed 2v1 but did it again a few ages later because they never got Gbed and punished for it.

Same thing here, AMA endured 3 ages of ****play before finally doing something about it and responding with ****play of their own. When Havoc 2v1ed AMA, they received a fair 1v1 war from AMA the following age. Did they enjoy the fair play and become motivated to play clean? NO. They threatened to 2v1 us again this age. As you can see playing clean with people who ****play does not work, they will just keep on doing it to you again and again.

Please explain how Pyro was hurt or impacted by this and should become an enemy? Last time I checked, we extended a CF to Pyro for their fight with Simians without trying to hit them immediately after war even though we were engaged after wars this age by both Pewpew and RBL. As Pyro belongs to the same alliance, we could have said well 2/3 kds fought us after war, why don't we fight Pyro after war to show them how annoying it is since none of you guys consider it to be vulture. But what did we do instead...we CFED Pyro and made no attempt to vulture them. There is a post earlier in this thread from nesta commenting on our move to cf them, he said to him it was an act/gesture of fairness & good play rather than anything else considering we had a chance to position ourselves being bigger than pyro after war with Simians and attempt vulture but we did not.

We also played fair and clean with pewpew and RBL this age. When we won our wars we cfed both kingdoms after wars although they still had cow acres we can take and we did not force a B2B war on any of those kingdoms although we were not happy about being engaged immediately after war by both kingdoms as it is generally a ****ty situation to be found in and many consider it vulturing and it has been known to create grudges in the past.

So again how did we hurt pyro? Did we steal crown from pyro through ****play? No. Pyro was #2 and recently explored with minimal gc stacks compared to havoc and would need to fight and win either 1 or 2 wars to win. We did not steal a province crown form RBL either because whoever won the cow fight in AMA vs. Havoc, AMA vs. Pyro, or Havoc vs. Pyro would win the province crown, rather than a kingdom sitting outside of war.

If anything Pyro actually has a chance to crown *now* rather than being hurt by it.

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I did not ignore most of your post, simply feel it has been beat to death and no use beating a dead horse. How can you not see that if you had instead came to us and asked for support and some kind input instead of escalating the situation you would have crowned with full support of even us. Instead only Pyro was approached because like I said it wasnt about fair play really or even addressing CR it was about you being prideful and expecting to gloat after beating Pyro then Havoc. Instead one of your other ppl you have ****played came back and served you up some of your revenge you seem to enjoy so much. This time like every Age since I have been back AMA once again has pissed off so many KDs that even when they arent working together they rather each other win than you. Simians was even supporting you up until you did this. You have basically made sure it is impossible for any KD to trust any deal you make. If you honestly believe that you deal-breaking Havoc does not impact Pyro you are just being silly.

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Originally Posted by Elit

Maybe you miss my long post about age overall. There was 4 kds in land chart yr 0 and all was cfed. Pew Pew/Pyro refused to cf us and efective block our kd from explore/pump/random for half age after it rage jumped us after 5 weeks pump. Afterr our war with pew pew pyro cfed us and after our war with rage pyro extend his cf with us beore his war with Simians so there wont be vulture from our side. I dont see any bad diplo from our side. Rage/Pyro/Pew cfed for this long Havc because wanted them to slow us. Basicaly we had all 4 kds going after land chart team up vs 1 kd all age.
After CR state in forum they notice us and we cant war other kd i asked CJ if we get double hostile are pyro going to help us. Didn't get positive answer. Try to imagine how are feel ppl in my kd after age ike this where every one is look for cheap way to hurt us and get acres. Did we get any fair chance all age?
Stop look over your side story only and look objective over all picture.

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I understand all that Elit and I agree it is a terrible position to be in for your kingdom. But still besides acting cocky and arrogant in the forums from some CR players, I still think they ve played by the moral rules. I dont see why you have the right to break the cease fire with CR. From my point of view it is not ethical to break an agreement both kd's made earlier in the age. Especially with CR being so underdrafted.

I dont like the way some players in CR are behaving in this forum as well, but untill your wave they had the best strategy this age and deserved to be first place. It must be annoying for you that they ve manipulated other kingdoms in slowing you down, but imo its not an excuse to put a knive in their back as you did now.

I am in Pyro this age and we were in a simular situation as your kingdom. We also had no chance of winning the age, even if somehow we would win our war vs your kingdom. But if cJ and Nesta would have pulled a simular move, I d immediatly abandon my account, because I dont want to win this way.

Just because you are AMA, doesnt mean other rules apply to your kingdom. Overall I ve lost a lot of respect for your kingdom and thats a shame. Because I know you are probably the best kingdom on the server. But its like sports. The best doesnt always win. And in my opinion you should respect that at all times and try harder next age. Maybe you also need 'deals' with other kingdoms to slow your biggest threath down? But this is not the way man.

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Originally Posted by Crunch

maxi godly and CR are trying to make deals with the same ghettos they talked down to and mistreated all age. now in a attempt to prevent from being hit when they are conspiring with rage/pyro/pew/monkeyman to GB ama...

ghettos unite!!! don't fall for their lies.. and their fake cf or hand of friendship... CR/Havoc are in a dirty alliance that needs to be exterminated if utopia is to thrive again... these rogue kds and players are not your friends make them pay for this insult... if this dirty alliance tries to GB any kd... Utopia needs to rise up and attack them let your voice be heard through your actions..

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Mate the thing is we will ensure that havoc doesnt crown. If the alliance interfere it will end up in all out world utopian war and the winner will be the kd that justs pumps and stay out of it :D it works for me.

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Originally Posted by guard14n

Dude either you have the IQ of an ameba or u are a victum of an incest. You see nothing wrong with ur post? rly? No dealbreaking, no bullying form Havoc side, no threatening? Or is it ok to notice a notice and say u gonna 2v1 no matter what the other kd will do. See a doctor, delete acc, sue ur folks or something. o.0

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I don't know if a forum thread would count as a notice of a notice. Could anyone make a thread and would that make it one? I don't know your position in AMA guard14n, but for arguments sake, let's say you are a new player to AMA. Could you make a thread titled AMA vs BB and thus that is a notice?

Or what if one kingdom comes to ask another kingdom about a CF extension before their CF ends and that kingdom refuses. Is that a notice of a notice? Are they therefore deal breaking?

As for 2vs1 situations, AMA's actions and words seem to say 2vs1 is clearly acceptable. Pew Pew vs Strippers in Age 58 if you don't remember. There were also a number of posts from Elit saying the same thing during the ED vs Fratzia thing.

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Originally Posted by Runefire

I don't know if a forum thread would count as a notice of a notice. Could anyone make a thread and would that make it one? I don't know your position in AMA guard14n, but for arguments sake, let's say you are a new player to AMA. Could you make a thread titled AMA vs BB and thus that is a notice?

Or what if one kingdom comes to ask another kingdom about a CF extension before their CF ends and that kingdom refuses. Is that a notice of a notice? Are they therefore deal breaking?

As for 2vs1 situations, AMA's actions and words seem to say 2vs1 is clearly acceptable. Pew Pew vs Strippers in Age 58 if you don't remember. There were also a number of posts from Elit saying the same thing during the ED vs Fratzia thing.

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Aint feeding the trolls mate. keep yapping ur BS :)

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Originally Posted by PhoenixScorpion

I did not ignore most of your post, simply feel it has been beat to death and no use beating a dead horse. How can you not see that if you had instead came to us and asked for support and some kind input instead of escalating the situation. Instead only Pyro was approached because like I said it wasnt about fair play really or even addressing CR it was about you being prideful and expecting to gloat after beating Pyro then Havoc. Instead one of your other ppl you have ****played came back and served you up some of your revenge you seem to enjoy so much. This time like every Age since I have been back AMA once again has pissed off so many KDs that even when they arent working together they rather each other win than you. Simians was even supporting you up until you did this. You have basically made sure it is impossible for any KD to trust any deal you make. If you honestly believe that you deal-breaking Havoc does not impact Pyro you are just being silly.

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I dont know where you get this that AMA arrogantly expected to beat everyone and win. We were warring this age and we did want to war everyone and do our best, I speak for myself when saying this but no I do not expect to beat a kingdom that has been pumping extreme sci on low draft and farming ghettos, and taxing kingdoms all age that when we finally fight they will be 20k larger from tax on Simians while we will have just finished a war with another kingdom or be 2v1ed by them....

You again miss the point that what AMA is doing is REACTIONARY to ****play from other kingdoms. " This time like every Age since I have been back AMA once again has pissed off so many KDs that even when they arent working together they rather each other win than you." This statement is just misguided considering AMA is fighting back against ****play rather than STARTING the ****play. Did AMA start the 2v1 from Havoc/Sanc? No. Did AMA start GB from multiple kingdoms in the EOA gb against them? No. Did AMA start the ghetto eoa razes last age form kingdoms we never toughed? No. Did we do something wrong to Havoc for making them want to 2v1 us AGAIN this age and deal break? NO. If anything they should be motivated to play clean because after they 2v1ed AMA , AMA played them 1v1 the following age.

And yes I honestly believe that hitting Havoc has *NO* impact on Pyro. Why? Because Havoc 2v1ed AMA in past and threatened to do it again this age and has track record of ****playing us. We have normal/neutral relations with Pyro who has never done anything to us before and even gave them CF to fight simians instead of trying to vulture them. This I really dont understand because any time in past one kingdom has ****played another, no one ever has said "Well if they ****played kd X, they will **** play us all so lets GB them." This has NEVER happened and in an early post when I referenced countless instances of **** play which were NOT actioned by the community.

The only motivation here for trying to interfere in our punishment right now is desire to secure an easy crown but it is easy to see that anyone on the *outside* of this conflict can freely crown by just growing and exploring.

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Originally Posted by guard14n

Aint feeding the trolls mate. keep yapping ur BS :)

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Not BS my friend. There are forum threads that prove it :)

You have interfered in wars. You lost the fair play argument long ago.

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Originally Posted by Humanoize

I am in Pyro this age and we were in a simular situation as your kingdom. We also had no chance of winning the age, even if somehow we would win our war vs your kingdom. But if cJ and Nesta would have pulled a simular move, I d immediatly abandon my account, because I dont want to win this way.

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Dont worry, you wont be the only 1 abandoning your province if that happens :D we have several players who wont stand up for such actions.

with that said, I dont think anyone in pyros is currently unhappy with what pros leadership have done this age so far

-cJ

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Originally Posted by Proteus

I dont know where you get this that AMA arrogantly expected to beat everyone and win. We were warring this age and we did want to war everyone and do our best, I speak for myself when saying this but no I do not expect to beat a kingdom that has been pumping extreme sci on low draft and farming ghettos, and taxing kingdoms all age that when we finally fight they will be 20k larger from tax on Simians while we will have just finished a war with another kingdom or be 2v1ed by them....

You again miss the point that what AMA is doing is REACTIONARY to ****play from other kingdoms. " This time like every Age since I have been back AMA once again has pissed off so many KDs that even when they arent working together they rather each other win than you." This statement is just misguided considering AMA is fighting back against ****play rather than STARTING the ****play. Did AMA start the 2v1 from Havoc/Sanc? No. Did AMA start GB from multiple kingdoms in the EOA gb against them? No. Did AMA start the ghetto eoa razes last age form kingdoms we never toughed? No. Did we do something wrong to Havoc for making them want to 2v1 us AGAIN this age and deal break? NO. If anything they should be motivated to play clean because after they 2v1ed AMA , AMA played them 1v1 the following age.

And yes I honestly believe that hitting Havoc has *NO* impact on Pyro. Why? Because Havoc 2v1ed AMA in past and threatened to do it again this age and has track record of ****playing us. We have normal/neutral relations with Pyro who has never done anything to us before and even gave them CF to fight simians instead of trying to vulture them. This I really dont understand because any time in past one kingdom has ****played another, no one ever has said "Well if they ****played kd X, they will **** play us all so lets GB them." This has NEVER happened and in an early post when I referenced countless instances of **** play which were NOT actioned by the community.

The only motivation here for trying to interfere in our punishment right now is desire to secure an easy crown but it is easy to see that anyone on the *outside* of this conflict can freely crown by just growing and exploring.

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two wrong doesn't make it right. you are taking down your best competitor to win crown by whatever reason you are trying to spin off. unless AMA is taking themselves out of the crown race then pretty much your justification are ****.

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Originally Posted by Dumdidam

two wrong doesn't make it right. you are taking down your best competitor to win crown by whatever reason you are trying to spin off. unless AMA is taking themselves out of the crown race then pretty much your justification are ****.

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So in your logic if someone does you wrong u dont react cuz it will be wrong to do so. If you are playing the turn the other cheek game this is definitly not your game.

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Originally Posted by guard14n

So in your logic if someone does you wrong u dont react cuz it will be wrong to do so. If you are playing the turn the other cheek game this is definitly not your game.

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you can choose to ****play but that proves even AMA cannot crown without ****playing. spinning or justifying your action will never make you in 'right' position if eventually you want to crown.

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Originally Posted by Dumdidam

you can choose to ****play but that proves even AMA cannot crown without ****playing. spinning or justifying your action will never make you in 'right' position if eventually you want to crown.

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Thats the thing mate we dont care about crowning, we just want to set an example - if u play us over we gonna bite u. Havoc deserve what they got and considering the spite i think this hostile will be till eoa. With this said i think its pretty obvious that we are out of the crown race unless u think that after we war havoc they will just cf us and move on :D This is eoa war so pyro/rage or whoever goes for crown can just outgrow us with ease. Havoc already started to raze us, we raze them as well. Noone will win in this confrontation and we know that. We accept it. Why cant you?

I hope Pyro win this age tbh. All they have to do is random a bit and use expl pool. In few days they will be bigger than us anyway.

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Originally Posted by Dumdidam

two wrong doesn't make it right. you are taking down your best competitor to win crown by whatever reason you are trying to spin off. unless AMA is taking themselves out of the crown race then pretty much your justification are ****.

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have to disagree.. it was not to win a crown but to try to prevent a dishonorable action by a dishonorable kd.. somewhat similar to when zauper tried to save peppie from HaLL. except ama was able to do it all by themselves. anyone who can't admire that can't be true to themselves...

Had CR/Havoc not deal break and threaten, taunt and antagonize ama with the very real threat of 2 on 1 if ama was to war pyro. none of this would have happened... CR would have probably won the crown and escaped the criticism of the despicable act of **** playing the entire server.. But thankfully munk deal broke by created this nasty tread to once again miss treat and antagonize honorable Utopians. it backfired for one reason CR/Havoc does not represent ethical fair play nor top play in this game any longer.. the mask has been removed and CR/Havoc true colors have been shown for all to see..

still now you have CR/Havoc and now dirty rage/pyro/pew/simians threatening ama with GB.. none could beat ama in fair wars so they resort to killing ama anyway they can.. very sad for Utopia as the real enemy to fair play and majority of despicable acts toward Utopians has always come from rage(after asf) and pyro.. now CR and zauper and as well..

I don't see it about crown.. I see it as a dishonorable rogue kd got what they deserved..

As someone with 0 dog in this fight, but not appreciating the BS, all I can say is hmmmmmmm if CR declares.....and the AMA chains are nice and open, I wonder how many books I get on an OOW learn............

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Originally Posted by guard14n

Thats the thing mate we dont care about crowning, we just want to set an example - if u play us over we gonna bite u. Havoc deserve what they got and considering the spite i think this hostile will be till eoa. With this said i think its pretty obvious that we are out of the crown race unless u think that after we war havoc they will just cf us and move on :D This is eoa war so pyro/rage or whoever goes for crown can just outgrow us with ease. Havoc already started to raze us, we raze them as well. Noone will win in this confrontation and we know that. We accept it. Why cant you?

I hope Pyro win this age tbh. All they have to do is random a bit and use expl pool. In few days they will be bigger than us anyway.

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my point is all the justification posted by AMA will only entitle them sympathy for their action but not 'right'. if AMA still go for the crown then AMA is still **** playing to crown.

Dumdidam's post is screaming for a Philosorator meme..........

CR taunted AMA to fight them 1st....CR being 30k acres bigger....AMA doesnt like that fight.....and wanted to go for Pyro....AMA putting themselves in a sandwich here.
Surely Pyro wanted to fight afterwards with AMA i guess....either take that conflict with CR or give some free acres and make a deal....and move on to Pyro?

Why should CR back off when they where in a good position to strike AMA...why flea to Pyro because you guys had a better chance against them at that time?

But than the desperate act occurs from AMA hey lets pump and wave CR with pants down screw that ceasefire date...that will show em.

Yea truly fair actions by a so called honorable kd....AMA simply broke a ceasefire deal that was still in place just for the hunger of the land crown wich they werent able
to get in the last 3 ages....Now i understand kd's like Pew Pew,Simians even more.

Its not upto AMA on how things should be played in this game....but upto the rest of the utopian community....Always has been and Always will be.


Oh and BTW Crunch didnt Rage honored a deal last age after their war vs Pew Pew where they gained good acres by not competing for Landcrown and
werent allowed to grow above a certain amount of acres or they would be hitted by BB and AMA?

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Originally Posted by Tazzie

CR taunted AMA to fight them 1st....CR being 30k acres bigger....AMA doesnt like that fight.....and wanted to go for Pyro....AMA putting themselves in a sandwich here.
Surely Pyro wanted to fight afterwards with AMA i guess....either take that conflict with CR or give some free acres and make a deal....and move on to Pyro?

Why should CR back off when they where in a good position to strike AMA...why flea to Pyro because you guys had a better chance against them at that time?

But than the desperate act occurs from AMA hey lets pump and wave CR with pants down screw that ceasefire date...that will show em.

Yea truly fair actions by a so called honorable kd....AMA simply broke a ceasefire deal that was still in place just for the hunger of the land crown wich they werent able
to get in the last 3 ages....Now i understand kd's like Pew Pew,Simians even more.

Its not upto AMA on how things should be played in this game....but upto the rest of the utopian community....Always has been and Always will be.


Oh and BTW Crunch didnt Rage honored a deal last age after their war vs Pew Pew where they gained good acres by not competing for Landcrown and
werent allowed to grow above a certain amount of acres or they would be hitted by BB and AMA?

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ama to war pyro 1 on 1 was set up before CR began to impose their will on ama and threaten with 2 on 1

by Utopian community it seems you really mean your kd fake rage and the despicable crue you have put together you want to call an alliance.. the real Utopian community is some 200 plus ghettos that despise your **** play and can see your true colors..

your garbage kd along with simians and others have been chattering all age how you were going to destroy ama...

ama took down you and pew in war i believe you both were larger.. your kd has shown time and time again complete disrespect to others and it is your kd that always tries to push your weight around... and it is your kd fake rage who always wants to dictate fair play when you and your kd have no concept of what that means..

oh and you only honored the deal because you were too weak to do anything else. you could have grown and you could have war but you didn't because we all know what that outcome would have been..

Lol. All of crunch's posts are so incredibly one-sided bias. Stop speaking as if ama is acting on some justice crusade and helping all utopians right some misdeed. For propaganda to actually work, it would have to be believable. Using terms such as "honorable Utopians", "ethical fair play" and "despicable acts toward Utopians " just make you sound silly.

lol. A lot of bs has always been posted here, but us making a forumthread that gives you an extra week notice is now considered dealbreaking?
LMFAO Is that a new record in the amount of spin you can give a story?

Does that only work if somebody posts it? Or would that also count if I know somebody intends to notice me before they actualy do?
And if I have logs of people saying they INTEND to notice me? Would that count as an early notice?

Keep spinning it any way you like forumtrolls and haters. Fact is we didnt break our agreement. We didnt give AMA notice yet and we certainly had no plans to go at them before april1st yr9 which is the time our 72h notice to be given on jan 1st yr9 would end.

Ama as several people allready pointed out didnt see a way to crown without deal breaking, so they did. After you remove all the bs that is what is left. Ama deal breaks cause they want to crown.

I still like to hear from proteus and cello ofcourse on how their statements and promisses to all the other KD's to intra raze the acres they take and the promise to take themselves OUT of the crown race completely now work when we have Elit admitting (atleast your honest about that part) that Ama intends to keep the acres and try to crown.

And to all the trolls and haters that call us stupid for not beeing prepared. All we did wrong there is having faith in Elit/proteus/cello word. Apperently, that is stupid and that is what we did wrong. Ama was still fighting those 3 provs that were razing them so a big NW jump was reasoned away as beeing caused by those provs.
We didnt expect Elit/Proteus/Cello to break their word.

Clearly they did, so all we are to blame for is having faith in 3 people that we shouldnt have trusted. That was our fault

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Originally Posted by Crunch

ama to war pyro 1 on 1 was set up before CR began to impose their will on ama and threaten with 2 on 1

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So, because you planned to war somebody else we cant give notice? The deal was that we had a CF till yr9 with a 72h notice period (with a reset clause if you where hostile with anybody else at that time according to zauper and some people from ama).
You had the exact same deal with Pyro. (not sure about a reset clause)

So while following that deal we could give you notice on Jan 1st, and would be able to hit at april 1st. And since you wouldnt be in any hostile before then resetclause didnt aply.

So are you really gonna claim now that because you plan to war somebody others cant notice you?

Just stick to what Elit allready said. Admit you deal broke cause you want to crown. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Originally Posted by Maximouse

And to all the trolls and haters that call us stupid for not beeing prepared. All we did wrong there is having faith in Elit/proteus/cello word. Apperently, that is stupid and that is what we did wrong. Ama was still fighting those 3 provs that were razing them so a big NW jump was reasoned away as beeing caused by those provs.
We didnt expect Elit/Proteus/Cello to break their word.

Clearly they did, so all we are to blame for is having faith in 3 people that we shouldnt have trusted. That was our fault

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AMA did not expect to be doubled by Havoc and Sanc either and trusted the leaders of those kingdoms but you did it anyways. Same time again this age you were trusted to play fair but then you claimed dibs and effectively gave notice in advance and threatened 2v1 if we hit any other kingdom.

(04:46:15) 02(@Gacib) and here is diplo dorje to the rescue
(04:46:19) 02(@phonegoodz) Probably used most their stealth on sanc
(04:46:19) 02(@Gacib) either way - gb not needed
(04:46:21) 02(~dorje) i'm not doing any diplo
(04:46:26) 02(~dorje) if you want some diplo, go do it
(04:46:34) 02(~dorje) but don't say "we ****ed up" when we did not, in fact, **** up
(04:46:39) 02(@phonegoodz) But it will likely hurt a ton next wave
(04:46:51) 02(~dorje) mom ****ed up, again, and would deserve to be 2v1'd for it
(04:46:57) 02(@Nick_mi) ^
(04:47:06) 02(@Megas) exactly
(04:47:06) 02(%brado|phone) So 2v1 them
(04:47:17) 02(~dorje) sounds good

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More to come, I will post more 2v1 logs for every bull**** post you make, keep them coming.

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Originally Posted by Maximouse

Just stick to what Elit allready said. Admit you deal broke cause you want to crown. Nothing more, nothing less.

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AMA is always the victim, and it's the whole world against AMA. It is the way it always has been, and it allways will be.

Remember, AMA is the kingdom that represents fairness, and honor. Everyone else is scumbags that ****play AMA, or any other kingdoms.
When will utopia learn ?

Domination leads to war!

I thinks its fascinating that Proteus thinks this quite horrible and vile tactics by Havoc and whoever. While I would count what Rage did towards Dreams be one of the more despicable acts in Utopia history. Threatning with gangbangs a kingdom just cause ASF wanted to do make certain people quit.

January 1st, Yr9, Havoc we are sending you notice!

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Originally Posted by Cello

January 1st, Yr9, Havoc we are sending you notice!

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Notice of what exactly?

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Originally Posted by Crunch

ama to war pyro 1 on 1 was set up before CR began to impose their will on ama and threaten with 2 on 1

by Utopian community it seems you really mean your kd fake rage and the despicable crue you have put together you want to call an alliance.. the real Utopian community is some 200 plus ghettos that despise your **** play and can see your true colors..

your garbage kd along with simians and others have been chattering all age how you were going to destroy ama...

ama took down you and pew in war i believe you both were larger.. your kd has shown time and time again complete disrespect to others and it is your kd that always tries to push your weight around... and it is your kd fake rage who always wants to dictate fair play when you and your kd have no concept of what that means..

oh and you only honored the deal because you were too weak to do anything else. you could have grown and you could have war but you didn't because we all know what that outcome would have been..

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Crunch you sound quite bitter.
Its not only about how you won your wars...its also about honouring the deals that you have made...i am sure if this was pulled the otherway around to AMA
You guys would have complained aswel.

The problem is on how the ceasefires are done by AMA...you guys want to go for Pyro 1st you say...CR wanted to fight AMA 1st because it would benefit them more.
Why did AMA put CR and Pyro on the same CF end dates?...surely could conflict especially if they are still in the race to compete for land crown no?

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Originally Posted by Korp

I thinks its fascinating that Proteus thinks this quite horrible and vile tactics by Havoc and whoever. While I would count what Rage did towards Dreams be one of the more despicable acts in Utopia history. Threatning with gangbangs a kingdom just cause ASF wanted to do make certain people quit.

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Even the great ASF cannot make people quit Korp...he can only try....and he tried because certain people that where in dreams where responsible causing the awar and abandoned their allies...by deleting there provs...thats right starting something and not finishing it.

And why do i know that....i was pulled in Sonata when that awar was going on....only to hear 48h later to delete my account because the rest was going to delete aswel.

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Originally Posted by Lurking Ghost

AMA is always the victim, and it's the whole world against AMA. It is the way it always has been, and it allways will be.

Remember, AMA is the kingdom that represents fairness, and honor. Everyone else is scumbags that ****play AMA, or any other kingdoms.
When will utopia learn ?

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When did you start playing...like 10 ages ago?

Fairness and honor was more to be found in the earlie days of utopia....and believe me AMA doesnt match up to those standards...they only want to dictate on their own way.
Whats good for AMA is good for AMA!!!

So we should all invade Germany?

Proteus, how about you wake up allready. From the names in that log its only megas and nick still playing. And neither of them are leadership. I wasnt there then either.
I was in Sanc the age they crowned and then half an age after that mainly doing diplo for ABS.
So are you really gonna keep claiming you did this because of something that was done to you 4 ages ago?
Just man up to what you did. Elit did it. Why cant you? And when your doing that, also explain how your promise to take ama out of the crownrace completely holds up with Elit stating Ama wont raze themselves at all.

If you go back far enough you will be able to find a crap move from any KD. So howmany ages would we need to go back? And would it be a crap move if you think it is, or if a majority of the people in this forum think it is? And would all crap moves be considered good enough reason to deal break?

Spin it any way you like. Everybody here knows its just that. You trying to hide the pretty simple truth and you not willing to own up to what your doing.

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Originally Posted by Crunch

have to disagree.. it was not to win a crown but to try to prevent a dishonorable action by a dishonorable kd.. somewhat similar to when zauper tried to save peppie from HaLL. except ama was able to do it all by themselves. anyone who can't admire that can't be true to themselves...

Had CR/Havoc not deal break and threaten, taunt and antagonize ama with the very real threat of 2 on 1 if ama was to war pyro. none of this would have happened... CR would have probably won the crown and escaped the criticism of the despicable act of **** playing the entire server.. But thankfully munk deal broke by created this nasty tread to once again miss treat and antagonize honorable Utopians. it backfired for one reason CR/Havoc does not represent ethical fair play nor top play in this game any longer.. the mask has been removed and CR/Havoc true colors have been shown for all to see..

still now you have CR/Havoc and now dirty rage/pyro/pew/simians threatening ama with GB.. none could beat ama in fair wars so they resort to killing ama anyway they can.. very sad for Utopia as the real enemy to fair play and majority of despicable acts toward Utopians has always come from rage(after asf) and pyro.. now CR and zauper and as well..

I don't see it about crown.. I see it as a dishonorable rogue kd got what they deserved..

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I am glad that someone has a firm grasp on the state of affairs. Faith in Utopia restored.

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Originally Posted by guard14n

Suuure you will do the same thing havoc did ... without the part that actually started this - nice my friend nice your logic is flawless. U see the whole thing is cuz of the premature notice and the whole thing is cuz of the bullying.

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Like I said: the premature notice was a dumb move. It in no means meant that you weren't going to be able to fight Pyro. When I say I would do the same thing, I was speaking about putting pressure on you to hand over some goodies in return for letting you fight Pyro.

We'll never know if CR would have double hostiled you....

So you claim AMA's actions are because of:
1. Premature notice
2. Bullying.

Let me address both issues.

Premature Notice
Yup, premature notice is a no-no. But....
They gave you what, 192h (or 168h ?) notice? Seriously....?! You have issues with someone serving you 192h notice? You did know that CR was going to come knocking January 1st YR9, right? I don't see an issue; they gave you a heads up and offered to re-negotiate early. If anything, they were nice enough to offer you EOWCF+96h... No matter how awful a deal that would have been, CR was in a position where they could just farm you or claim acres for extended CF. Now, I am not saying that's a nice thing to do, but they were the #1 kingdom....what were they supposed to do? Give you a chance at a fair (even) fight and throwing away the advantages they gained over the past 8 weeks? Nope, they want to win....

Bullying
Top kingdoms have bullied ghettos for as long as I can remember. Just some ghettos defend themselves (Outplayerz & Remote). Only difference is that ghettos don't tend to have CF deals with the top kingdoms. So AMA was a ghetto with a badly timed CF in this story. Sucks to be on the receiving end doesn't it?

For fair play rules, please find maximouse's post in this thread. I'm pretty sure he has a copy :)

The issue is they didn't want us knocking at that time faegan. Ultiamtely we offered to not come to them at all as long as if they beat pyro they'd war us after. They rejected this offer.

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Originally Posted by Proteus

AMA did not expect to be doubled by Havoc and Sanc either and trusted the leaders of those kingdoms but you did it anyways. Same time again this age you were trusted to play fair but then you claimed dibs and effectively gave notice in advance and threatened 2v1 if we hit any other kingdom.

(04:46:15) 02(@Gacib) and here is diplo dorje to the rescue
(04:46:19) 02(@phonegoodz) Probably used most their stealth on sanc
(04:46:19) 02(@Gacib) either way - gb not needed
(04:46:21) 02(~dorje) i'm not doing any diplo
(04:46:26) 02(~dorje) if you want some diplo, go do it
(04:46:34) 02(~dorje) but don't say "we ****ed up" when we did not, in fact, **** up
(04:46:39) 02(@phonegoodz) But it will likely hurt a ton next wave
(04:46:51) 02(~dorje) mom ****ed up, again, and would deserve to be 2v1'd for it
(04:46:57) 02(@Nick_mi) ^
(04:47:06) 02(@Megas) exactly
(04:47:06) 02(%brado|phone) So 2v1 them
(04:47:17) 02(~dorje) sounds good

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More to come, I will post more 2v1 logs for every bull**** post you make, keep them coming.

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Ancient history, no relevance to this age.

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Originally Posted by topsy's revenge

The issue is they didn't want us knocking at that time faegan. Ultiamtely we offered to not come to them at all as long as if they beat pyro they'd war us after. They rejected this offer.

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That's because they weren't going to beat Pyro* and were just going to get farmed by you.

* The edited part: not after eating Remote's razes.