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Originally Posted by beans

Play time turned into BS diplo

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YOU are the one perpetrating this... not anyone else. If you really don't want "BS diplo" then why the HECK did try engage in "Bull*&*% diplo in the first place? You even admitted it earlier in the thread someplace...

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Originally Posted by TheRealKremlin

That isn't my definition for a fake war :) If Pandas are justified in hitting in is another question. Certainly 7:10 is running from them and they WHERE hitting Pandas back. NONE of that means their war is fake though and using a war to avoid another conflict has nothing to do with said war being fake. Also it happens all the time, usually just less blatantly than here.

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Thats the definition of fake war when he is talking about some one he doesnt like. obviously it wouldnt be a fake war if a emeriti was warring some one to avoid getting fed on by a larger kd.

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Originally Posted by Guilty Conscience

Pandas decided to hit into the war for a bunch of reasons. They hit us 1h prior to the war having gone to 140 meter vs us. All diplomatic attempts was answered by suck our ***** and swallow our ****. Running never really works out.

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Not really sure what else you guy's want from them -- wouldn't it make more sense to let them get their WW and then come after them afterwords? First of all that might actually get a war and it would likely be a fun war for you since they will likely be up around 130-140k acres depending. And you get to look good to the community. Win / Win in my opinion. I mean, what are you guy's trying to do?

Sure they hit you guy's back but lets be real, you are up a ton of land vs them. You've grown a ton and you took around a 10-12k hit from us.

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Originally Posted by Persain

Its a fake war by the definition of how fake wars have always been(using the -75% gains to avoid a differnt conflict). Exchanging hits or semi chaining a couple of people so u dont get deleted hardly makes it a real war.

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From Spartan's perspective things went like this:

1. We ended an in-game CF with no terms (since the terms on which the EOA CF was proposed weren't met nor was there further discussion by Divinity).
2. The KD we waved barely retalled, went fort, and didn't make any moves that might make us think they were going to war us.
3. We approached another KD in the same range, asked them for war, and they did agreed.
4. The KD we waved wasn't prepared to pay the price for thier bad diplo, and thus called in allies to fight their war for them.
5. Both the KD that helped them (Emeriti) and them started hitting into a legit war.

Emeriti is just using this war as an excuse to get acres for their upcoming conflicts. Typical ABS-style of Emeriti.

Spartans have an official message for Emeriti for next age:

1. Always train thieves
2. Always run WTs
3. Do not hold more than 500 gc/acre on any prov at any time
4. Do not run lower than 70 dpa on your banks

Spartans have given Emeriti a chance to attone for their sins, an offer which they turned down. Our demands were quite reasonable for a Kingdom that dealbroke us:

1. Stop dealbreaking
2. Make a deal with us to give back all the land
3. Publicly apologize for dealbreaking us

These demands were turned down by Emeriti, leaving us with no other choice than to carry this conflict into the next age. Mind you, Spartans will not dealbreak Emeriti. In fact, Spartans will never in any way have any diplomatic contact with Emeriti other than the use of arms. Last age when the Awar was raging and we were on they Feyrplay side, Spartans were asked to help razing Emeriti. Spartans flat-out refused to do so as we had agreed an EoA CF and would not break that even for an Awar. Spartans were pressured by quite a few of the white knights voicing their opinions here now to break their CF, which we did not do.

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Originally Posted by TheRealKremlin

Protesting a bit much there.... Like I said,I've read the logs and IMO you straight up deal broke. No "clever diplo", just broke your word. From my reading of it the 7th "deadline" reads more as hits stopping by then. Sure it's gray but that's generally how Utopia has worked and if you wanted to be clever you needed to spell it out that if the CF wasn't accepted on the 7th then there was NO deal at all and it was just a blank CF. You didn't do that (or whoever was in charge of diplo for Spartans didn't do that).

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This is worth to be emphasized. Although granted, beans said before he didnt agree to it. Quote, beans: "letting [Dicks] think we had an EOA CF even though they missed the deadline was a ****ty thing to do? well yeah it was. I was against the whole thing". I think you should face the music for that one, and accept that you did something foul if not technical DB (but the technicality aint the spirit of it, remember?).

The second alleged deadlbreak is just trying to justify the deed of the first DB, and the general previous ****tiness piled on this bart, as people seem to think. But breaking CF hours before someone says they will given a deal they wont be able to hold, is no dealbreak. Isnt it in that case also a dealbreak, an intent of dealbreak, from emeriti towards spartans, to threaten and itnentding to break eoacf?

I agree pandas are going over board. Not saying leave them alone forever but why not let them win there war. More acres for you guys to farm when they get out. Oh and not to mention they might war you. So win win in leaving them alone

How is it that its Emeriti that did dealbreak when it was Spartans that did the dealbreak?

@spartans

When almost everyone (even haters of divinity or Emeriti ) think you deal broke.. it could only mean that

You deal broke.

It's not remotely close to being grey it's black and white.

I can almost assure you that if Emeriti didn't help divinity, another Kingdom would have helped them. In fact, it should be a combined effort.

You speak as if divinity and friend wants to raze kill you and make you quit the game. Lol. Your actions on divinity, if went unpunished, would have caused the same above mentioned issue and possibly worst.

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Originally Posted by jo.t.reid

From Spartan's perspective things went like this:

1. We ended an in-game CF with no terms (since the terms on which the EOA CF was proposed weren't met nor was there further discussion by Divinity).

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A reasonable reading of the diplo does NOT yield this conclusion. Everything else is smoke, you deal broke and this is what happens to people who deal break.

If you want to go after Emeriti fairly next round that's great and might spice up the round a bit. I doubt they will mind much either.

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Originally Posted by Korp

How is it that its Emeriti that did dealbreak when it was Spartans that did the dealbreak?

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As with murder or death-threats, or any kind of act, mere intent is sometimes just as severe as actually doing, the action is question. Look no further than to the first dealbreak thingy where Divinity broke CF cause they thought Sprtans tried to instgate a fake war with them. Did they actually do a fake war? No. They were accused of INTENT. Same can then be claimed of Emeriti. They intended to break their deal... so spartans, just as divinity earier, jumped the gun and broke it before them. If Divinity is in the clear for their breaking cf to punish, so is Spartnas. No double standards here please.

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Originally Posted by jo.t.reid

From Spartan's perspective things went like this:

1. We ended an in-game CF with no terms (since the terms on which the EOA CF was proposed weren't met nor was there further discussion by Divinity).
2. The KD we waved barely retalled, went fort, and didn't make any moves that might make us think they were going to war us.
3. We approached another KD in the same range, asked them for war, and they did agreed.
4. The KD we waved wasn't prepared to pay the price for thier bad diplo, and thus called in allies to fight their war for them.
5. Both the KD that helped them (Emeriti) and them started hitting into a legit war.

Emeriti is just using this war as an excuse to get acres for their upcoming conflicts. Typical ABS-style of Emeriti.

Spartans have an official message for Emeriti for next age:

1. Always train thieves
2. Always run WTs
3. Do not hold more than 500 gc/acre on any prov at any time
4. Do not run lower than 70 dpa on your banks

Spartans have given Emeriti a chance to attone for their sins, an offer which they turned down. Our demands were quite reasonable for a Kingdom that dealbroke us:

1. Stop dealbreaking
2. Make a deal with us to give back all the land
3. Publicly apologize for dealbreaking us

These demands were turned down by Emeriti, leaving us with no other choice than to carry this conflict into the next age. Mind you, Spartans will not dealbreak Emeriti. In fact, Spartans will never in any way have any diplomatic contact with Emeriti other than the use of arms. Last age when the Awar was raging and we were on they Feyrplay side, Spartans were asked to help razing Emeriti. Spartans flat-out refused to do so as we had agreed an EoA CF and would not break that even for an Awar. Spartans were pressured by quite a few of the white knights voicing their opinions here now to break their CF, which we did not do.

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Lol. For starters. Spartans actually waved Emeriti 1x last age during the awar... your memory is pretty poor.

And lol at the conclusion of Emeriti is hitting for acres. The winner of the age is already decided. No 1 gives a fk about 2nd place downwards. I think anyone in the top doesn't give a **** if Emeriti hits you for acres. And this is because their purpose isn't to gain land, but to make things right.

If Emeriti suffers next age because of standing up for fair play in this situation, kudos to them..

You just fail to see how you are in the wrong.

who is united we stand?

All I see is people getting what is coming to them for playing dirty so long and crying over what maybe 15 minutes? Give me a break. This thread had become a monster qq

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Originally Posted by Paymon

All I see is people getting what is coming to them for playing dirty so long and crying over what maybe 15 minutes? Give me a break. This thread had become a monster qq

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Shame too; the qq I mean.

You broke our eoacf and actualy think it was us?

Long version:

Ah the level of wordplays in here. Its like a law-STUDENT conference. Bickering about definitions and words.
Real lawyers wouldnt be bickering like this. Theyd just hand over their case to bishop to decide if indeed the offer was for a fake-war. Then move on to where the money is at (next war).

Entering fake wars result in dire consequences like all war-wins removed and leadership deleted etc. since its against the rules.
Now if you want to bicker about the definitions of fake war just ask bishop about that aswell and let him decide. Infact if he finds the offer to actually be for a FW he might even suspend spartans leadership for making it. And possibly re-evaluate their former war-wins.

All in all ask the true judge of utopian law and definitions i dare you. =)

Short version:
Intentions were clear. Its obvious to almost everyone.
Actions have consequences.
Take it, suck it up and move on.

Cheers

Spartans chose to dealbreak divinity, with the only excuse I've seen being that they wanted to be dicks. Over this dealbreak of their allies, Emeriti would have been fully justified to dealbreak Spartans in return. But since Spartans dealbroke Emeriti instead and robbed ~millions of gold while claiming to be hostile with Divinity, that is on Spartans as well.

Spartans has been and will continue to be given every opportunity to un-dealbreak. That this continues to be an issue is simply dumb. Just make it up with Divinity and we can all move on.

Stop posting locs, i'm sick of warning people. Bans will ensue.

I still dig Sparta but you should not do diplo with certain kingdoms.

I'm aware the idea of who's scared of who's mechanics has supposed weight. It doesn't. It's simply desire to win and activity. Desire to win is navigated by activity. Quality activity.

Emeriti doesn't need acres. They are actually standing up for what's right. Don't deal break. Don't run to a fake war and hide from deal break. It's simple really. Bart got to cocky and thought he had enough friends in the top to protect him but when it comes down to it no one in the top will take the side of a deal break.

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Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace

Emeriti doesn't need acres. They are actually standing up for what's right. Don't deal break. Don't run to a fake war and hide from deal break. It's simple really. Bart got to cocky and thought he had enough friends in the top to protect him but when it comes down to it no one in the top will take the side of a deal break.

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Except that one time when BB deal broke Emeriti ;)

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Originally Posted by jo.t.reid

Emeriti is just using this war as an excuse to get acres for their upcoming conflicts. Typical ABS-style of Emeriti.

For this statement - You are basically dumb. Like really dumb. Everyone knows the outcome for this age. CR has won it. The top is cfed. So we need acres is a pathetic statement.

Spartans have an official message for Emeriti for next age:

1. Always train thieves
2. Always run WTs
3. Do not hold more than 500 gc/acre on any prov at any time
4. Do not run lower than 70 dpa on your banks

For this statement - Thank you.

Spartans have given Emeriti a chance to attone for their sins, an offer which they turned down. Our demands were quite reasonable for a Kingdom that dealbroke us:

For this statement - Since you have been so much technical from start, So technically you broke it and stole millions of our gcs first before we started hitting. So you technically deal broke!!

1. Stop dealbreaking
2. Make a deal with us to give back all the land
3. Publicly apologize for dealbreaking us

These demands were turned down by Emeriti, leaving us with no other choice than to carry this conflict into the next age. Mind you, Spartans will not dealbreak Emeriti. In fact, Spartans will never in any way have any diplomatic contact with Emeriti other than the use of arms. Last age when the Awar was raging and we were on they Feyrplay side, Spartans were asked to help razing Emeriti. Spartans flat-out refused to do so as we had agreed an EoA CF and would not break that even for an Awar. Spartans were pressured by quite a few of the white knights voicing their opinions here now to break their CF, which we did not do.

For this statement - You are in a position to make demands? Lol?

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Edit - Someone teach me how to do multiple quotes please!!

Just blame emeriti for it. Blame it all on them. It's their fault for helping their ?ally? when they got dealbroken. Spartan's must be delusional to think emeriti need acres at this stage of the game and bear grudges when they are in the wrong.

This one time, at band camp ....

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Originally Posted by Loons

This one time, at band camp ....

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Go on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8i5NLyXZdc

SPARTAAAA!!

This is typical Emeriti for you. Haven't learned anything from their dealbreaking moves of former ages. You guys got GBed last age for it, got owned by ghetto-growth KDs this age (excuses to prot, but you didn't even have a full line-up most of the age), and now you already threw away your next age. We respected our CF with you last age even during the Awar. We do not know what CJ means. We did not hit in Emeriti at any moment during the Awar. We did hit in that KD which had sylvester stalone as banner, but later in the age we actually dealt got quite friendly with em and gave em free CF aswell. You ask your allies to raze your competition and we don't DB. We initiate a legit fight and you do DB simply because of your greed for land. ABS will remain ABS.

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Originally Posted by jo.t.reid

This is typical Emeriti for you. Haven't learned anything from their dealbreaking moves of former ages. You guys got GBed last age for it, got owned by ghetto-growth KDs this age (excuses to prot, but you didn't even have a full line-up most of the age), and now you already threw away your next age. We respected our CF with you last age even during the Awar. We do not know what CJ means. We did not hit in Emeriti at any moment during the Awar. We did hit in that KD which had sylvester stalone as banner, but later in the age we actually dealt got quite friendly with em and gave em free CF aswell. You ask your allies to raze your competition and we don't DB. We initiate a legit fight and you do DB simply because of your greed for land. ABS will remain ABS.

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How does Emeriti deal break when it was Sparta that did the dealbreak and stole gold from Emeriti?

And obviously Sparta hasnt learned anything from the cheating days, still trying to cheat with fakewars. :( lol.

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Originally Posted by jo.t.reid

This is typical Emeriti for you. Haven't learned anything from their dealbreaking moves of former ages. You guys got GBed last age for it, got owned by ghetto-growth KDs this age (excuses to prot, but you didn't even have a full line-up most of the age), and now you already threw away your next age. We respected our CF with you last age even during the Awar. We do not know what CJ means. We did not hit in Emeriti at any moment during the Awar. We did hit in that KD which had sylvester stalone as banner, but later in the age we actually dealt got quite friendly with em and gave em free CF aswell. You ask your allies to raze your competition and we don't DB. We initiate a legit fight and you do DB simply because of your greed for land. ABS will remain ABS.

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You are a waste of my time! Go send papa!!

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Originally Posted by Korp

Ohai Judge

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Come on Korp! I asked someone to help me with multiple quotes! AND YOU IGNORE IT!

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Originally Posted by Judge

Come on Korp! I asked someone to help me with multiple quotes! AND YOU IGNORE IT!

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Cause I dont know. I just use [quote-] [/quote] minus the -

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Originally Posted by Korp

Cause I dont know. I just use [quote-]

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minus the -[/QUOTE]

WOT WOT?

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Originally Posted by Judge

minus the -

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WOT WOT?[/QUOTE]

SO SLOW :( Okey, if you check when you write a quick reply you have several icons above the box. The last one is a conversation bubble, press that, paste whatever you wanna quote into those two brackets and then you have your quote.

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Originally Posted by Judge

Come on Korp! I asked someone to help me with multiple quotes! AND YOU IGNORE IT!

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I just open the "reply with quote" link in seperate tabs for each post I want to reply to then copy and paste back.

Like so:

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Originally Posted by jo.t.reid

This is typical Emeriti for you. Haven't learned anything from their dealbreaking moves of former ages. You guys got GBed last age for it, got owned by ghetto-growth KDs this age (excuses to prot, but you didn't even have a full line-up most of the age), and now you already threw away your next age. We respected our CF with you last age even during the Awar. We do not know what CJ means. We did not hit in Emeriti at any moment during the Awar. We did hit in that KD which had sylvester stalone as banner, but later in the age we actually dealt got quite friendly with em and gave em free CF aswell. You ask your allies to raze your competition and we don't DB. We initiate a legit fight and you do DB simply because of your greed for land. ABS will remain ABS.

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Greed had nothing to do with what Emeriti did. You deal broke an ally of theirs, so they decided to help out. For one I would say that threatening to deal break is not a deal break, so if you wanted to claim Emiriti had broken your deal then you would have been better off waiting until they had done so. Second, and not that it would have mattered any to the first point, but breaking a deal with a kingdom that has broken a deal with an ally has been long held by the community as a legitimate reason to do so.

I would also imagine if you come after Emiriti next age, you will find yourself in another 2 vs 1 situation. Tread lightly.

The difference here is emeriti has the full support of other kingdoms. They were asked for help they went to the other top kingdoms and asked if they would be gangbanged for coming to the aid of divinity before they started hitting. So this is nothing like last age when they got gangbanged.

Nice try to deflect jo.t.reid. This has nothing to do with Emeriti or ABS and everything to do with your kingdom just going too far. It's kind of sad that you think that in a strategic game people would be so gullible as to jump on your bandwagon. Anyone that knows me(yes all 5 of you!) knows I wouldn't fight for ABS or Emeriti for that matter. You did things like this to us all last age and tried to force an eoacf on us this age again except we refused and will continue to do so. You were just too busy so far to push harder but we knew it was going to be coming at one time or the other. I already mentioned in an earlier post the methods you used on us last age. But just in case you missed it, starting a dragon into our war with someone else and demanding eoacf or else was just one of those.
I suggest you talk to Divinity and work it out and stop playing dirty. This would all be over right there.

Yeah what are Spartans going to say. Sorry, you were right take even more of our acres away.. Even more than that 7k or however much you already have. You know what would happen then? "THIER APPOLGY IS NOT HONEST THEY WILL KEEP DOING THIS! I STILL LIVE WITH MY MOM" thats what this whole post has been, thats what it will always be

I can't speak for other kingdoms but as for mine Bart/Heaven/Spartan knows what we expect. And once that is met it's over. And unless they do it again it will stay over.

But instead of reasonable discussion I am now being threatened. No surprise there though I knew it was coming. As the weakest link it was to be expected they would come after us.

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

I can't speak for other kingdoms but as for mine Bart/Heaven/Spartan knows what we expect. And once that is met it's over. And unless they do it again it will stay over.

But instead of reasonable discussion I am now being threatened. No surprise there though I knew it was coming. As the weakest link it was to be expected they would come after us.

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Lol be over? Lets recap here. Emeriti is getting free land, noone will attack them because they are "helping an ally". Dicks or divinity is getting the undying respect of the community by playing the vitcim, apparent in the kd tag "getting hit eoacF" and " dealing with dealbreakers" still in the tags after everyone already knows. And spartans keep fighting a fight they think is justified. Everyone is winning, why would anyone give that up?

Don't even understand why Bart wants to smear his reputation like that. His minions are just dragging the whole Spartan name through the mud, making a fool of themselves here.