mysterious case of the missing pyro

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Originally Posted by flogger

well for one pyro hadnt recruited anyone for a few weeks for next age or for the current age. So someone claiming to be a new recruit was just a lie. People can read the forums and I gather it's more likely it was just someone trying to fsu or make them look bad, poorly. (Although asfnub and palemnub fell for it so maybe not that poorly)

For Seconds who just posts im joining another kingdom then makes a meaningless plunder into the kd Theyre warring the tick war starts when the other side hasnt hit for 24h and apparently were ready to
Reset because it was a meaningless fight. Surely we can agree no leader would say "hey, 1x plunder some meaningless prov because it would really help"

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Someone posted a mass message showing that Pyro was in fact recruiting for next age. I'm also more than aware of the fact that you can most definitely recruit people without immediately moving them into the kd, especially when you're recruiting for next age. But that isn't even the point. Let's say he was crazy, wasn't recruited at all, and just plundered on a whim because he thought it would please Pyro. How is that different than what you quoted?

The hilarious kicker of all this being that both kingdoms also initially denied knowing who the rogue province was.

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On the flip side the other friendly was sitting in their council channel, got told to raze by emeriti's monarch and steward, in a fight between the clear #1 and #2 kingdoms (we were both 33k and #3 was like 22k at the time)

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No one told Bour to raze. They told him to threaten to raze you. While that might be grasping at straws, so is trying to point out the differences between what happened with Pyro and Emeriti.

Hold on a sec. Did they explicity state "just threaten" them "but don't really raze." Or was it just sort of implied? Implying something could be subjective - it has to be clear eitherway you look at it - during the said discussion or even postmortem. I'm just an outsider to Utopia now or I may have missed the logs.

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Originally Posted by vendetta

Hold on a sec. Did they explicity state "just threaten" them "but don't really raze." Or was it just sort of implied? Implying something could be subjective - it has to be clear eitherway you look at it - during the said discussion or even postmortem. I'm just an outsider to Utopia now or I may have missed the logs.

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It was along the lines: Give them an unreasonably short period to respond and then start razing. Ofcourse ASF will try to spin it into something else but that's exactly what the logs show.

palem is the Anti me. Either the best troll ever of just bizzarro flog on 100% of opinions

I, for one, find it impressive to be a moderator for 10 years yet consistently be wrong about everything always. It's like taking the Constanza opposite take as a life mantra, except you're on top of your gif game.... I totally stole your Agamemnon gif for use on other forums

@palem
Kremlin stated clearly Pyro had nothing to do with it, you are slowly becoming part of anti-bb static on the forums here.

Slowly? He's been in donk mode for as long as he's posted

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Originally Posted by TheRealKremlin

You know what also contributed? The fact that Nesta (or maybe pyro in general, I wasn't directly involved in the diplo) acted like we had killed their cat because we had the nerve to actually hit them. In spite of the fact we had no deal with them and we all know they would have hesitated exactly 0 seconds to do the same to us or anyone else on the server.

Let me be clear, 0 issue with Pyro going after us but they also don't get to whine and complain (at least without some ridicule) when we do what we have to do to make sure they don't gain and yes, we might be a little bit more vindictive when they act so arrogantly.

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I have not talked to anyone for the last 2 weeks. I handed the job of recruitment to a steward who has his own way of recruiting and hence I wasn't even in-game steward or monarch. You could say his methods were unorthodox, but I cant complain since it brought in a few active peeps so far, and is setting me up for the new age while I am unavailable to fully be active on the recruitment front right now.

My steward tracks provinces with good activity in decent KDs on munk TF and PMs them to see if they want to join us. Currently we're fully filled and we DO have slots for the new age we want to start filling and we are doing so, BUT that DEADPOOL province was not, and still is not one of them. If he were, he would have had a copy of the message Engman received and posted in the other thread. Instead, from the screenshot we showed to you through protector or some other form had us asking why he said we took him in when we had zero contact with him before you claim we asked him to plunder you.

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Originally Posted by Engman

Considering how hard they're trying to recruit active players i'd be surprised if they couldn't maintain an active roster.
Sender The Wise King Dan7eL of Dan7eL (*:*)
Recipient ------- (*:*)
Subject Hey
Hello, hope you are well.

I have been searching the Utopian data base online and i filtered it out so that i could locate some of the more active players on the game like ourselves. Your name was in the list of my criteria and we are currently recruiting 2 new players who need to be active.

If your interested in joining a top kd for next age and having lots of fun with us then let me know so we can talk some more. If not, please ignore this message and have a nice day and enjoy the rest of your age :)

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As for being arrogant, who's being arrogant? Like I said, I havent spoken to anyone for weeks. On this issue, I was PKed in the Awar and I lost all in-game messages of deals made in-game. I also saw Chrystal post somewhere saying he had "EOA CF with all top except Panda and WSK". My steward was looking for targets to wave and kept bugging me to wave you guys, but I told him, I dont think I made an EOACF deal but since its what Chrystal claims, and being the QQ'er and attention seeker he was, I would just leave him be and let him have the EOA CF which he claimed he had publicly with us. Just imagine if I did wave you guys and you guys went, "hey Nesta you didnt say a damn word when we claimed we had EOACF with all top and now you're feigning ignorance we dont have a CF".

I explained this situation clearly to Chrystal when he was goading after waving us for cow acres then razing more off, and his response was, "excuse me, I said EOACF with top. You're not top, Nesta". Now who's the arrogant one?

So nevertheless, we got caught pants down, yet we trained up and declared and then you guys resort to defections and OOW razes to counter our push? What's that all about?

I have a theory of my own... Deadpool = Deadlift; mind = blown :D

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Originally Posted by Palem

No one told Bour to raze. They told him to threaten to raze you. While that might be grasping at straws, so is trying to point out the differences between what happened with Pyro and Emeriti.

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Wow! Read the log again before you get accused of lying. The conversation went something like "if they don't respond in XX time, raze them".

That counts as telling him to raze sir.

Palem is long lost in Absalom country now. I guess logs where several Emeriti members says Bour should raze is "nobody"

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Originally Posted by Korp

Palem is long lost in Absalom country now. I guess logs where several Emeriti members says Bour should raze is "nobody"

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Not often i say this but i agree with Korp a lot lately.

http://i.imgur.com/DqM3yCk.gif

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Originally Posted by flogger

palem is the Anti me. Either the best troll ever of just bizzarro flog on 100% of opinions

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I'm not the anti you. I very much agreed that it was wrong of Emeriti to suggest Bour threatens to raze you (or even suggest to raze you).

Where we start to part from opinions is where you decided to completely ruin the age of an entirely separate kingdom for what was ultimately the decision a long-time Utopia veteran who most definitely knew what he was doing because you suddenly got the very unflogger-like attitude of "We're gonna screw these guys over because we want to and there's not a damn thing anyone else can do about it."

In one age BB went from having their own level of respect, to having the level of respect I have for a kingdom like PewPew, and that gave me the Disney face
https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6162/6...81155d4037.jpg

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Originally Posted by Palem

I'm not the anti you. I very much agreed that it was wrong of Emeriti to suggest Bour threatens to raze you (or even suggest to raze you).

Where we start to part from opinions is where you decided to completely ruin the age of an entirely separate kingdom for what was ultimately the decision a long-time Utopia veteran who most definitely knew what he was doing because you suddenly got the very unflogger-like attitude of "We're gonna screw these guys over because we want to and there's not a damn thing anyone else can do about it."

In one age BB went from having their own level of respect, to having the level of respect I have for a kingdom like PewPew, and that gave me the Disney face
https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6162/6...81155d4037.jpg

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Ruined? How could one of the most entertaining ages be called ruined? The only thing ruined was that cheating alliance.