I'm afraid Palem is unbiased and you guys are completely biased.
It's ok because you were in the awar so your minds are magnetically unified. It's like mob rules, but not sung by Dio.
Nothing's that good.
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I'm afraid Palem is unbiased and you guys are completely biased.
It's ok because you were in the awar so your minds are magnetically unified. It's like mob rules, but not sung by Dio.
Nothing's that good.
It's easy to see why people would think he's biased when he's still saying no one told bour to raze. Those logs have been established.Quote:
Originally Posted by StratOcastle
Kremlin, there have been numerous incidents of Pyro playing dirty both before and after their gb on Emeriti. You and Crystal have made it clear including in this thread that you have loyalty to BB. Of course readers of this thread are curious why something like this was quickly and quietly swept under the rug by you and BB after stating there was an ingame message shared about it. Why attack me for asking simple and obvious questions like If Pyro knew the player in question? And yes, I find it hypocritical that both BB and Pyro have each done the same thing that they gbd Emeriti for in the exact same age after gbing Emeriti (when one would assume they'd be on their best behavior.)
Also, you state that " What Pyro did and what Emeriti did weren't the same thing at all." I's not clear exactly what Pyro's role in this was since those who know all refuse to talk about it anymore, but it appears someone associated with pyro plundered into an active fight to help them. On the other hand, someone Emeriti was associated with tried to cf BB, had his ingame messages read but not responded to, and then razed and offered all land back plus extra free land for a cf for himself to protect his #1 province. BB was in post war, not any active fight at the time. I agree they aren't "exactly" the same, but it looks like the Pyro incident is worse to me since it was a FSU attempt into an active fight rather than a province trying to secure his own cf with no active fight.
You mean like you and Elit take every chance you get to throw **** on me stemming from something 15 ages back? At least I'm talking about things on topic from the events of the thread I post in and my "ranting" is relevant to this age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Bour was #1 province and worried Bb was about to farm him after Bb explored up hitters into his range. Logs show that the Emeriti leader's last advice for Bour was:Quote:
Originally Posted by vendetta
<jdorje> if we cf them, bour is dead and that is bad for us so if i were bour i'd go get the cf now with threats of postwar hitting if they refuse
Later a non-leader in Emeriti talked to Bour:
<cerberusv6.66> gonna get that cf?
<bour> will try to get it
<cerberusv6.66> give them at most 3 hours to respond start killing if they don't answer or try to delay imo
Nesta, why not just show the ingame message from Deadpool that everyone is talking about and explain why Deadpool told his kingdom he was joining you? I believe you that you weren't personally involved, but it still seems like there is something being hidden since the supposed exoneration messages are not being shown and a lot of things that still don't add up based on the forum info.
Only one to call him unbiased is someone playing in his KD. People like Korp who are not a part of an alliance and have thus far not actively taken sides called him ASF 2.0 in a sense. Now lets take a minute, stand back, and objectively draw a conclusion who is being biased here and whose mind is magnetically unified with whom. Thanks for taking the time to see things for what they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by StratOcastle
Not to make this about Palem, but it's well known Palem had beef with jdorje (a main Emeriti leader) back when he ran Sanc and has never had any sort of "ally" relation with me or anyone that I know of in Emeriti. Palem has no reason at all to be biased in favor of Emeriti so perhaps he is being honest about his opinion based on the facts?
As for Korp, calling him unbiased makes you look ridiculous. Korp has spent many real life years constantly attacking everything I post regardless of what it's about.
is this convo from your main channel or leadership channel?Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
I'll leave the ridiculous part for people to decide. You made me a liar posting that because now it's yours truly ASF and someone from the faery circle calling Palem unbiased. Rest I leave for people to draw a conclusion based on what I already mentioned. Personally I think everyone is biased but trying to exclude yourself or someone else from any form of bias based on your own bias just makes you look like a hypocrite; that was my own conclusion, as I said you are free to draw your own.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
No, I'm saying Emeriti didn't tell Bour to raze. Cerb isn't leadership. If you want to say that Emeriti told Bour to raze then you have to say that BB told Pyro to wave into FS's hostile (which I wouldn't)Quote:
Originally Posted by Touchdown
I may certainly be "wrong", but I wouldn't consider myself biased. I call them like I see them. Sometimes I'm on and sometimes I'm off but I'm not going to stop myself from voicing my opinions. I haven't seen enough to believe that BB/Feyr Play's hands are totally clean, and for that matter, if you think anyone's hands are totally clean, then you're prolly a little too biased to be passing judgment.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
Our "leadership" channel had 14 people always in it. Our "main" channel has 52 people always in it. The conversation was in the channel with 14 people in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN
I have done nothing but post facts and called upon others to draw conclusions of their own based on all the info available; I made sure to not pass my opinions as "facts". In the disparity of actual evidence I trust my own logical reasoning over the daily propaganda, call that bias if you like but even so I made sure to not force my own reasoning onto others. You gave it your best to try and show how a meaningless plunder holds the same significance as someone interfering with the race for whoring crowns; in my opinion that is not logical reasoning and shows a real bias towards an idea that might not hold water, again others can disagree but "I'm just calling them as I see them." Also, ad hominem doesn't change these things in any way even if I was the most biased individual here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
No you don't ASF, we already established that you went off topic on the first page of this thread. Which you admitted and also repeatedly brought up BB every chance you get.
Also I am quite unbiased in this matter since I don't take anyone's side. Just call **** where I see it. :)
Matija,
In making your conclusions, please don't overlook the reason for the actions in both cases. In Bour's case, he was the #1 province and was trying to secure his own cf with his only real threat. He asked for the cf before razing and asked again when he razed along with offering all razed land (380a) plus more back. BB was in post war and in cf talks with Emeriti with no active fight.
In this case with Deadpool, Deadpool was leaving his province (he claimed because he was joining Pyro) and hit into an active fight helping Pyro to some extent (reportedly 700k gc although I'm not sure if this number is confirmed by Crystal/Kremlin.) His only motivation appeared to be to help Pyro and hurt Crystal.
It has always been my opinion that doing FSU to hurt a kingdom with the goal of helping friends is a serious problem. This is not what Bour did. There have been numerous kingdoms that did actions like this in recent ages and none of them had any ties to Emeriti. It seems that some of the most prominent ones that did this FSU on top kingdoms in recent ages had ties to Pyro and BB.
Korp, I'm pretty good about relating all my posts either directly to the topic or directly to other posts already in the thread. Rarely do I take a thread off topic myself although I don't claim to be perfect. Korp, you're a well known troll and have waged some sort of forum war against me and some others for years. Claiming to be unbiased just reduces your trolling credibility.
those numbers seem quite excessive, i guess it would be safe to assume it also includes ppl from your alliance..Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
i could join a ghetto and raze some random kd into war, and claim i am emeriti's friend and will join them soon.. does that make it true? if you think it does, you are beyond redemption..Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
things change just a little bit though, when the person in action is in your 'leadership' channel and was 'advised' or 'encouraged' or 'suggested' to do so..
Sampuan,
You're right, there are other possible explanations for what happened including that it was all a setup/frame job by someone. All I've been doing here is asking for those who seem to know what really happened to explain.
The people in the channels are mostly players/former players or friends that aren't playing utopia currently at all. We don't usually kick people out if they quit/leave on good terms. We initially only had one channel (no leadership channel) for the full kingdom to be involved in all discussions, but later made a separate channel since 50 people in the main channel was getting a bit excessive for planning discussions. Cerberus was in the other channel for about a month total and is no longer there. He's a good guy and has a lot of opinions, but he was never making leadership decisions in Emeriti.