SWEA Vs Crownless AMA

Swea win last age was a fluke based on dealbreaking and being farmed out to from friendly kds. Swea had a legit chance early age to prove they were good and deserve their crown by beating a top kd. Swea chose to wave ama and was farmed out completely, it was embarassing. If swea was any good theyd do well beyond just one age. You don't have to crown but least you can do is beat someone in a war, you failed. Now you will fade into being irrelevant.

I don't know why Gegorth trolls either, all of his crowns are won by other people who lead the kd. Has he ever lead and won himself?

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Originally Posted by Proteus

I don't know why Gegorth trolls either, all of his crowns are won by other people who lead the kd. Has he ever lead and won himself?

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people just like to have me around :) im just a nub.

Ok guys, I've had enough of all this Elit bashing. I won't sit idly by anymore, keep this up and I'm dishing out bans.

Elit has proven to be a outstanding individual and a trustworthy Utopian. If you take it back to the start of last age, he was what we all strive to be and I am confident he will overcome this minor setback and work well with allies in the future.

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Originally Posted by Bishop

Pew pew were punished, no one took advantage of it though which was weird.

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48 hours of suspension and even that apparently didn't work as it was supposed to since pewpew sent out attacks the same instant they were oow, I know you stated before that it was some sort of bug in the suspension code relating to ppl being logged in when the suspension was activated so no need to explain that part again :).
But 48h of suspension is barely even a slap on the wrist, especially since they were allowed to accomplish their goal, it might have been a suitable punishment for AMA or SWEA since they were still in the race for crown prior to the war but pewpew made it obvious that they had given up on land/nw when they attempted to farm out, and in case you make such a punishment you should probably inform the rest of the top that they won't be able to log for x hours to encourage people to hit them, otherwise it likely won't be noticed and all and it will just be 48h of forced inactivity.

And if I remember the summaries from the 3v1 correctly I'm pretty sure AMA did take some advantage of it but considering that pewpew had already been thoroughly farmed I guess there wasn't much to take.
Besides, unless there's some sort of announcement to the general population they won't know that there even was punishment dealt out. But then again, since they obviously didn't care about their acres so I fail to see how loosing acres is even a punishment in this case.

The very least that should have been done was to reset pewpew & swea's acres to what they were at the start of war, thus denying the goal of pewpew's cheating. then pewpew should have been suspended until eoa or preferably deleted.
You deleted Debauchery's ww's a few ages back because that was obviously their aim so you've proven that you're willing to tailor the response to thwart the cheaters, I just don't see why you didn't do so in this case.
But then I don't have to worry about player retention which I'd guess is a pretty significant concern these days. And it's unlikely that not taking serious action against pewpew would make AMA players leave the game while deleting or suspending pewpew until eoa is far more likely to cause several of their people to leave the game.

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Originally Posted by Elit

Im sure Simians have more WWs from SWEA.



I try but its not easy to escape from Planet on Apes!

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No planet or universe is big enough for your ego.

The high horse is reserved for elit and propro, fitting as they are in the same kingdom now :)

the rest of us can ponder on our worthless utopian achievements and cry ourselves to sleep <3

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Originally Posted by Elldallan

48 hours of suspension and even that apparently didn't work as it was supposed to since pewpew sent out attacks the same instant they were oow, I know you stated before that it was some sort of bug in the suspension code relating to ppl being logged in when the suspension was activated so no need to explain that part again :).
But 48h of suspension is barely even a slap on the wrist, especially since they were allowed to accomplish their goal, it might have been a suitable punishment for AMA or SWEA since they were still in the race for crown prior to the war but pewpew made it obvious that they had given up on land/nw when they attempted to farm out, and in case you make such a punishment you should probably inform the rest of the top that they won't be able to log for x hours to encourage people to hit them, otherwise it likely won't be noticed and all and it will just be 48h of forced inactivity.

And if I remember the summaries from the 3v1 correctly I'm pretty sure AMA did take some advantage of it but considering that pewpew had already been thoroughly farmed I guess there wasn't much to take.
Besides, unless there's some sort of announcement to the general population they won't know that there even was punishment dealt out. But then again, since they obviously didn't care about their acres so I fail to see how loosing acres is even a punishment in this case.

The very least that should have been done was to reset pewpew & swea's acres to what they were at the start of war, thus denying the goal of pewpew's cheating. then pewpew should have been suspended until eoa or preferably deleted.
You deleted Debauchery's ww's a few ages back because that was obviously their aim so you've proven that you're willing to tailor the response to thwart the cheaters, I just don't see why you didn't do so in this case.
But then I don't have to worry about player retention which I'd guess is a pretty significant concern these days. And it's unlikely that not taking serious action against pewpew would make AMA players leave the game while deleting or suspending pewpew until eoa is far more likely to cause several of their people to leave the game.

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2 provs werent suspended properly but that was sorted. AMA razed into swea if i remember right, no one touched pew pew. Its not possible to reset provs to an arbitrary date :/ Apart from that, we wouldnt reset sweas acres.

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Originally Posted by Elldallan

48 hours of suspension and even that apparently didn't work as it was supposed to since pewpew sent out attacks the same instant they were oow, I know you stated before that it was some sort of bug in the suspension code relating to ppl being logged in when the suspension was activated so no need to explain that part again :).
But 48h of suspension is barely even a slap on the wrist, especially since they were allowed to accomplish their goal, it might have been a suitable punishment for AMA or SWEA since they were still in the race for crown prior to the war but pewpew made it obvious that they had given up on land/nw when they attempted to farm out, and in case you make such a punishment you should probably inform the rest of the top that they won't be able to log for x hours to encourage people to hit them, otherwise it likely won't be noticed and all and it will just be 48h of forced inactivity.

And if I remember the summaries from the 3v1 correctly I'm pretty sure AMA did take some advantage of it but considering that pewpew had already been thoroughly farmed I guess there wasn't much to take.
Besides, unless there's some sort of announcement to the general population they won't know that there even was punishment dealt out. But then again, since they obviously didn't care about their acres so I fail to see how loosing acres is even a punishment in this case.

The very least that should have been done was to reset pewpew & swea's acres to what they were at the start of war, thus denying the goal of pewpew's cheating. then pewpew should have been suspended until eoa or preferably deleted.
You deleted Debauchery's ww's a few ages back because that was obviously their aim so you've proven that you're willing to tailor the response to thwart the cheaters, I just don't see why you didn't do so in this case.
But then I don't have to worry about player retention which I'd guess is a pretty significant concern these days. And it's unlikely that not taking serious action against pewpew would make AMA players leave the game while deleting or suspending pewpew until eoa is far more likely to cause several of their people to leave the game.

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2 provs werent suspended properly but that was sorted. AMA razed into swea if i remember right, no one touched pew pew. Its not possible to reset provs to an arbitrary date :/ Apart from that, we wouldnt reset sweas acres.

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Originally Posted by Elldallan

The very least that should have been done was to reset pewpew & swea's acres to what they were at the start of war, thus denying the goal of pewpew's cheating. then pewpew should have been suspended until eoa or preferably deleted.
You deleted Debauchery's ww's a few ages back because that was obviously their aim so you've proven that you're willing to tailor the response to thwart the cheaters, I just don't see why you didn't do so in this case.
But then I don't have to worry about player retention which I'd guess is a pretty significant concern these days. And it's unlikely that not taking serious action against pewpew would make AMA players leave the game while deleting or suspending pewpew until eoa is far more likely to cause several of their people to leave the game.

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All AMA needed to do was to stay out, PewPew would have warred SWEA, and it would all be fine.
Mods should never have interfered.
The second AMA hit PewPew the situation outcome was easy to predict. You don't fight war on two fronts.

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Originally Posted by Bishop

2 provs werent suspended properly but that was sorted. AMA razed into swea if i remember right, no one touched pew pew. Its not possible to reset provs to an arbitrary date :/ Apart from that, we wouldnt reset sweas acres.

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What of the decision to give SWEA eowcf protection after being pulled out of a war deemed fake/abuse in which they farmed 100k and did not take a single hit? Devine intervention?


edit: To be fair, I doubt it was your call directly ... but you must understand why AMA players would be naturally indignant here.

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Originally Posted by Lurking Ghost

All AMA needed to do was to stay out, CheatCheat would have warred SWEA, and it would all be fine.
Mods should never have interfered.
The second AMA hit CheatCheat the situation outcome was easy to predict. You don't fight war on two fronts.

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Abusing war & gb protection in the manner pewpew did is obviously abusing a mechanism in a way that is not intended, the mods should have and did act, unfortunately not harshly enough in my opinion.
Besides, you cannot call that fighting a war or even fighting AMA from war, suiciding cow's and killers is not a legitimate strategy, it's obvious what you intended and sadly the mods allowed you to succeed.
Besides, you're the ones who provoked AMA to hit into your war by suiciding your cows 5 mins prior to warstart and AFTER you started trading hits with swea, your goals and intentions where painfully obvious, I don't mind you punishing AMA but I do mind cheating and not taking harsh actions to discourage cheating

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Originally Posted by Bishop

Its not possible to reset provs to an arbitrary date :/ Apart from that, we wouldnt reset sweas acres.

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Well if you can reset acres to an arbitrary size it's fairly easy to figure out what that size was since they were in war for less than 48h it would all still show up in news.
And why not? resetting swea's acres would not be a punishment to swea, it would just be returning things to their original state before fakewar occurred, it's also the only way to discourage people from cheating in a similar manner again since acres and thus suspension is obviously not something you care about if you're already hell bent on farming out.
By not reacting harshly enough you encourage others to cheat in a similar manner because 48h of suspension is not much of a punishment unless perhaps if the entire server is told ingame that you are in suspension and thus basically free acres, suspension should also suspend any gangbang protection.

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Originally Posted by ZodZilla

To be fair, I doubt it was your call directly ... but you must understand why AMA players would be naturally indignant here.

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AMA players seems to become indignant if you as much as fart in their general direction, it's not something that seems to be hard to accomplish.

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Originally Posted by Elldallan

And why not?

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Because its ridiculously abusable.

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Originally Posted by Elldallan

perhaps if the entire server is told ingame that you are in suspension and thus basically free acres, suspension should also suspend any gangbang protection.

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We do not give account specific details to other people. What you propose is just silly.

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Originally Posted by Bishop

What you propose is just silly.

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This may be true, but is it any 'sillier' than what actually went down?

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Originally Posted by ZodZilla

This may be true, but is it any 'sillier' than what actually went down?

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Yes?

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Originally Posted by Bishop

Yes?

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If Bishop does not have any children, I now understand why...........