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Originally Posted by Korp
Oh so you're just a troll? That makes sense. Which makes your opinion even less relevant.
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Originally Posted by Korp
Oh so you're just a troll? That makes sense. Which makes your opinion even less relevant.
So I would like to do a summary of games new shape to be sure I understood everything well :
- Multi are now allowed for good, you can rule 2 provinces without even declaring a "spouse", "friend" "golden-fish" or whatever.
- But Multying is bad, so provo can't hit same target nor send aid each other directly.
- For aid if A and B multi , A send to C, C send to B.
- In war, if you want to play it properly, you pay boxes, then the multi becomes "baby sit" and everything fine.
- End of war you go back to multi without paying boxes.
I understood correctly the new rules ?
Yeah rep....I think that about sums it up.
Great.
So my question, now : what about former HONEST whitelisted ? Are they allowed to multi too now ? So 2 +2 = 4 provo with same IP ?
nope, no more white list at all.
According to the rules you can still have only 1 account and 1 province and you're not allowed to share your login with others. So multying is still against the rules.
This was posted by someone in my kd and was well put. ill post it here. I also lost this player. Players are leaving who arent even affected by this.
"Hey guys, I'm not sure how many of you read the debates about the new anticheat measures but I've been keeping track. While it doesn't affect me personally since I'm not whitelisted with anyone else, I completely disagree with the methods being put into place as well as the way the moderators in the forum are dealing with the many complaints. I don't want to bore you with the details about why I disagree with the new system as it may require walls of text. So I just wanted to let you all know that if nothing is done about it and the developers don't change it, I will be leaving the game. It may sound silly to most, but since I'm a non-paying customer, the only action I can take to show disapproval is to quit and hopefully, there are other like-minded individuals out there who will help decrease the player count."
Landro, I was not talking "officials" rules, I was talking of the real ones
You risk suspension or deletion for breaking the official rules. That makes them real enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by repmes
well then Landro...if those are official rules then sitting is a violation of them too but dont say anything because it will take money out of their pocket and they think we are too stupid to figure it out.
so whats breaking the rules if I have one account and one province and my wife has 1 account and 1 province? We just live under the same roof. No different than a KD that has each other phones #. Next thing we wont be able to call each other either right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Landro
Pretty much everything you said today has already been said and responded upon in the threads about the subject.
Repeating doesn't really add anything.
I'm calling spam.
@ Azartyn - amazing how you never posted before this new anti-cheating system got put in place. Are you being forced to play utopia? IF you don't like how the games is being wrong then don't play it?
I do find it odd though that genuine 'house sharers' have to suffer though but I also know of a few people who abused the old white-list system. Unfortunately a few bad apples spoilt the bunch for the rest of us (not that ive ever been white-listed - never needed it)
The Devs are doing a good job and cheating is down and the player base is starting to creep up again. Keep up the work guys.
So, you are just someone who cant argue and the only thing you have going for you is using capslock and sprouting nonsense okey. Its okey to lack arguments, just dont blame the other part of being a troll cause you cant respond to said arguments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azartyn
This is not breaking the rules. As Bishop put it, you're collateral damage in the war against cheaters. I don't like it either because we have 2 couples in our kingdom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azartyn
it is different because you can x-log and play each others accounts. at will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azartyn
this has already been discussed and answered.
This is a good way to finally kill the game. Way to go crappy devs.
Make the white listing application harder and more complicated. Problem solved. This 'anti-cheat' (also 'anti-honesty') change just shows the developer has a lack of business-sense. Can't be too surprised though with that.
Much like a guy who has an iPhone to log in to provs at all time has a clear advantage over another who doesn't. A husband and wife combo also has a clear advantage as well.
Trying to ensure fairness doesn't necessarily mean you destroy all rights, it is ensuring that the rights that do exist are protected.
Make white listing harder. Stop taking the lazy way out or just sell the damn company and game to someone who can do a better job. I'll be the first to contribute a monetary value to be a stakeholder just to oust these 2 incompetent developer/businessmen.
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Originally Posted by DDodge
And you cant with sitting Ddodge? You just made my point for me.
No you cant, first you must purchase credits, then you must assign a sitter to the provinces, then its limited to only 3 weeks. Your wifes prov you can login to whenever you want, you dont need any formalities at all, you dont have any designated time period that you can sit it.Quote:
And you cant with sitting Ddodge? You just made my point for me.
So you rather want that they focus most of their time to this whitelist than actually improving the game? I think their businessmodel is quite good, they have people like you who ***** and whine about how crappy they are yet you are staying here playing this game, either that makes you really stupid or them really brilliant. Its easy to sit on the sideline and complain and not having to do any work to achieve anything.Quote:
Stop taking the lazy way out or just sell the damn company and game to someone who can do a better job. I'll be the first to contribute a monetary value to be a stakeholder just to oust these 2 incompetent developer/businessmen.
You just help keep proving my point Korp. As long as you PAY for sitting (playing 2 countries whether there is a time limit or not.) its ok compared to my wife and I who DO NOT xlog (we're adults and dont need to cheat in a GAME) its legal. aka pay to win/cheat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
You lose again.
The only guarantee that you dont cheat is your word, and most of the people that are playing Utopia is adults yets cheating exist so "We're adults and dont need to cheat in a GAME" is a pretty moot point. Sitting is neither pay to win nor cheating, it doesnt have any major impact on anything. You on the otherhand having two provinces at your disposal without being able to verify if thats really your wife playing the second account or not that could be cheating. Sitting is a feature, whitelisting has many flaws and possible loopholes to abuse.
I dont lose, its you who are too dense to see other perspectives. You keep repeating the same arguments over and over again even if they been answered plenty of times in this thread. It doesnt becomes true cause you just write it more than once.
Want to know the biggest problem with this change? It'll give "The Cheaters" a new challenge. And guess what...they'll find a way around this and continue to cheat, because that's what cheaters do.
This is exactly the reason why no security measure is 100% proof.
While this no-ip sharing may restrict interaction between provinces logged from the same ip address, it doesn't address the actual cheating. The comment by Korp in post #704 illustrates this brilliantly:
So, guilty without chance to prove you're innocent... Imho Korp, if you can't see that this change is EXTREMELY BAD for the game, then you are in fact the dense one. Any change that limits play and alienates a specific group of players, even a minority, will in the end come back and bite you in the ass. Let's not forget that this is a TEXT BASED web game which only appeals to a small group of people. As I stated before, the game exists because of the players, not because of the developers and/or owners.Quote:
The only guarantee that you dont cheat is your word, and most of the people that are playing Utopia is adults yets cheating exist so "We're adults and dont need to cheat in a GAME" is a pretty moot point.
Its not extremly bad for the game since it doesnt effect that big part of the player community. Its not like people are forbidden to play the game they just cant interact with eachother which there is ways to work around. So we should instead let cheating run rampant, me and my 3 brothers can play this game toghter as well, they should just take my word for it that i do actually have 3 brothers and they do live toghter with me? I think taking away the whitelist is good overall for the game, as Bishop stated its been a burden to them timewise which they now can focus on improving the game and they made it harder for the cheaters that been abusing the whitelist. Some sacrifices on the way to the greater good is to be accounted for.Quote:
So, guilty without chance to prove you're innocent... Imho Korp, if you can't see that this change is EXTREMELY BAD for the game, then you are in fact the dense one. Any change that limits play and alienates a specific group of players, even a minority, will in the end come back and bite you in the ass.
Hey Korp...my question for you is this. If you don't play and it doesn't affect you, WTH do you care and why are you trolling the thread? You say you have so much better things to do but yet you are here bashing people why? Go do your other more important things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
I already heard of players creating new provinces in ghetto's, and they enjoy to run two provs, even help the ghetto's a bit. So yeah, that there are more provs now is logical, there is no risk to creating a second account anymore. I don't think it's bad for the game, more provs is good, who cares that they are ran by the same person, as long as the provinces can't work together it shouldn't be an issue. And while i don't expect it'll ever be said that increasing the province count was one of the goals of this change, i think it'd be naive not to have taken that into account (as a positive effect) when changing the ant-cheat system.
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Originally Posted by Yadda9To5
They cant interact? Um what do you think the second province is for? Its called a farm.
So everyone that dont share your view on things is trolling? I guess thats just a easy way for you to disregard what other people say "THey must be trolls..." I have better things to do than play the game, this isnt playing the game, this doesnt take especially much time to discuss things with other people. Why you call this bashing? Its just someone thats disagreeing with your viewpoint nothing more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azartyn
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Originally Posted by Korp
ok..I'll type real slow so you can understand. You do not play the game. None of the changes happening pertain to you. You are the one that said you had better things to do, not me. I'm not the only one you have bashed or insulted. You have called people bit*h*rs and whiners not me. You accused people who are legit of being cheaters. Prove it. You are here to voice an opinion for something you take no part in, therefore you are a troll.
Its talk not type, the spee of your typing has no relevance. The changes dont affect most people playing utopia doesnt say they dont have a right an opinion. If you read my post where i stated that it said I have better things to do than play the game not voice my opinion in the forum. I havent insulted you and i never called someone *****ers (which isnt even a word) and whiners, i said people ***** and whine there is a difference you know. No I said there isnt any fullproof way of proving that you do actually have a partner or that you play with a sibling a flatmate etc. So, until you provided proof that you have a wife i will call you a troll then. Just cause one doesnt play doesnt mean they dont have a opinion or isnt interested in the well being of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azartyn
I wouldn't be to sure about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yadda9To5
What the hell is all this?
Knock it off, right now. If i see anymore blabbering about sitting or people talking about cheating you will get a vacation.
Close the thread then, no point in keeping it open.
This guy isn't out to fight a cause. He's here to 'win' an argument without content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azartyn
Pointless.
This may not be on topic and reaks of making personal facts but continuing along this road doesn't add to the thread either.
This whole 'anti-cheat' system has no effect on me nor my kd and I play this game because it is fun. But that does not imply this is a continuation of a series of bad moves from the developer from a business perspective. And why do I continue to complain? Much like how your mother would nag you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
We care about the wellbeing :)
I have a legitimate question for Bishop that I need a bit of clarification on.
I have 2 people in my KD that both access Utopia from their cell phones from the same service provider. One is phone-only and the other is pc and phone. If the guy with the pc makes a hit or does an op from his pc, will it still block the person on the phone from making hits/ops on the same person or will she be able to still attack so long as the op/attack from the PC guy's account wasn't sent from the same IP address? I need to know this for planning purposes as my KD plans to be in war sometime tomorrow.
You would think that with this "New" system on hand that cheaters would delete their useless accounts yet I haven't seen a drop off in the number of provinces in the game. Before this started there was a number of 7100 total players and current is 7124.
Looking at this from a pure numbers thing, this as I said before hasn't done a thing except call all whitelisters cheaters because they had the opportunity to do it. Not that they were cheating because there wasn't any proof of that but they had the opportunity to do it so they were cheating!!!
Just saying.
ROFLMAO
The ip that interacts is logged, so no - they wouldn't be blocked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ordray
Why would you think cheaters go to the trouble of deleting their accounts? They let them go inactive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker1975
We have seen a 40% decrease in reports of interactions since the system went live. If you are going to ROFLMAO try and ensure you know what you are talking about.
bishop 1 - 0 the rest!