Rage vs Psych Ward and bio too?

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06-09-2012, 04:26
flutterby

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Originally Posted by KuhaN

Yo this is not cool. Have you ever said that to anybody's face, or do you just say sh*t like that when you're protected by a distance?

I seriously wonder what kind of a life you lead u douchebag.

Don't sweat it, they're probably a sad lonely little person that has a bunch of cats and half dead houseplants. :P
06-09-2012, 04:40
jdorje

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Originally Posted by Elitbg

I bring it regualr because reason for GB was most nonsense in utopia. Its not serious big alliance like ABS to keep grudge for 5 ages ago story with Realest and his old KD Sonata and for this to GB complete new kd. Sure Realest was in kd and sure there was few members from Sonata in kd.

I've avoided this dumbass thread, but this does deserve a(nother) response.

Everyone gets played dirty at some point, and everyone wants payback for something. There is a time limit on payback, I'll agree.

But the sonata situation was different because the joab awar ended without any resolution, with all sonata leaders quitting the game rather than face the shame of their defeat. They had to know that when they came back to it, there would be an accounting, even if it was just a token one.
06-09-2012, 04:46
octobrev

forever relevant!
06-09-2012, 04:47
Lestat

That was some sweet sweet ownage
06-09-2012, 05:16
Elit

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Originally Posted by jdorje

But the sonata situation was different because the joab awar ended without any resolution, with all sonata leaders quitting the game rather than face the shame of their defeat. They had to know that when they came back to it, there would be an accounting, even if it was just a token one.

Sonata deleted all his kd. How you can punish some one more from it? What other resolution you need? Rage was n1 and finished n1. Mercy was ~~top 30 average kd and farmed in awar to finish n2. ABS got all top 4 spots only because there was FARM awar. You can only say "thanks" to Sonata action age 46 for being so n00b

To me awar age 46 was stupid and very n00bed from all anti-abs kds.
06-09-2012, 06:14
protector

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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

They viewed having paid for a dragon on Simians and having hit their cow (cows have often been considered "special" in regards to conflicts) as having initiated a fight.

You hit the nail on the head there. What they think does not matter. Sanctuary may think their actions where justified and all correct, but none of the 3 points you posted had a right to claim Simians. Sanctuary waved into hostile.
Again, you can only claim someone by waving them, not by one lousy hit. And that it's a cow hit doesn't matter... otherwise I'm just going to hit ghetto cows all age and claim I'm hostile with them.
06-09-2012, 06:29
protector

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Originally Posted by TheRock

Exactly. And by the word of what you posted, it was CFed and done, so there was no open hostile to wave into.

It's the same issues computer security experts have with hackers. Every time you fix an exploit, someone finds a new one. Then they change the game and there's a whole new set of stuff. Remember the age when kingdoms could sit Fortified indefinitely? The time we had a thousand ghetto cows and had to figure out how to define a cow fight?

I'd love to sit down tomorrow, hammer out every possible situation and then get the leaders of every kingdom to agree to it, but that's not realistic. The best we can really look forward to is people agreeing to play in good faith and accepting that sometimes there are going to be differences of opinion in the grey areas. As long as we all act in good faith, I can accept that sometimes I'll be the nail and sometimes I'll be the hammer.

That's why I said all these grey area's are the ones that cause the problems.
Everyone hates to be vultured and that's exactly what happened to Insolence. Therefor it'd be common sense (and I believe this was generally accepted) to wait 12 orso hours since the first hit was made on a CFed wave, before taking action.

Sitting down and hammer our every possible situation? Good luck, there is too many options ;p
06-09-2012, 06:59
DHaran

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Originally Posted by prot

You hit the nail on the head there. What they think does not matter. Sanctuary may think their actions where justified and all correct, but none of the 3 points you posted had a right to claim Simians. Sanctuary waved into hostile.
Again, you can only claim someone by waving them, not by one lousy hit. And that it's a cow hit doesn't matter... otherwise I'm just going to hit ghetto cows all age and claim I'm hostile with them.

Yes Sanctuary waved into an actual hostile based on ingame relations, that doesn't change the fact that Simians was the cause of the double hostile by trying to run from their own poor decisions. Any idiot knows not to put themselves in that position without settling with a kd who already initiated. And don't kid yourself, a dragon and cow hit is absolutely initiating a conflict, and everyone here knows it. Sanc was not the first kd to finish a wave they started, nor will they be the last. The single difference in that case was the way Simians was responsible for the entire thing due to poor handling of kd relations by their own leaders. The double hostile on Rage was not due to poor diplo or decision making on Rage's part, they simply acted against the kd who initiated first. It was just a lame and intentional double hostile, period.
06-09-2012, 07:10
ZodZilla

Yo, can I get some of that kool-aid?
06-09-2012, 07:13
protector

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Originally Posted by DHaran

Yes Sanctuary waved into an actual hostile based on ingame relations, that doesn't change the fact that Simians was the cause of the double hostile by trying to run from their own poor decisions. Any idiot knows not to put themselves in that position without settling with a kd who already initiated. And don't kid yourself, a dragon and cow hit is absolutely initiating a conflict, and everyone here knows it. Sanc was not the first kd to finish a wave they started, nor will they be the last. The single difference in that case was the way Simians was responsible for the entire thing due to poor handling of kd relations by their own leaders. The double hostile on Rage was not due to poor diplo or decision making on Rage's part, they simply acted against the kd who initiated first. It was just a lame and intentional double hostile, period.

What Simians did was not smart no, but it was still Sanctuary that doubled them. It was dorje that said a dragon isn't hostile. You can't claim a cow hit as hostile either for the exact reason that has already been said multiple times: If that is considered a hostile, I can have a cow hit a ghetto cow 24/7 and claim that I am hostile, therefor putting myself immune to others to hit me.
Sanctuary's wave into Simians hostile with HoH was just as intentional as BiO's wave on Rage into their hostile with PW.
06-09-2012, 07:16
Billah

Rage knew Psych Ward was going to notice them so they noticed BiO to run from that conflict and ended up getting doubly owned. Too bad.

Lots of Apologia in here from the Abs scum. You guys set the precedent so STFU and take your beating.
06-09-2012, 07:29
Elit

DHaran, we all admit Simians gave notice 3 kds same time was bad decision. But look it in general. When Simians waved HoH its was clear HoH will declare and there will be war. So if you are Sanctuary what is best for you? You cant gain enough acres from Simians to move to n1 if they go war hoh. From other side you can ask for cf/nap Simians and make insane nw pump and move to n1-2 nw. If war simians vs hoh was real there is no way for hoh to make NW pump and pass Sanc/Rage. Second option for San was to hold and prepare for war simians right after war with hoh. Its more risk in terms for nw pump but gave chances for gain land. Sanc choice to hit simians was complete stupid. 1. gains from this wont move them in chart. 2 make bad blood. 3 Its direct interfere/affect incoming war siamins/hoh and we know how this ended.
Sanc did dirty (unclear) move and ABS/Sanc only loss from it in long term. If they was smart enough to understand this move wont gave them any advantage they will choice more honorable options. If you going to play with rules/situation at lest make it for something what matter.
06-09-2012, 07:53
John Snowstorm

^ 5 star post motherf*cker. ^

I don't know why when you join absalom you automatically have to assume every absalom kd is 100% correct in everything they do, I certainly don't feel that way about any of my 'allies', as I have stated here I denounce and reject BiO hitting into hostile. I can also say that simians made a bad move with their notice structure.

I know Secrets wouldn't have done what Sanctuary did (because secrets and pulse actually had a similar situation once), and yet you're gonna defend it anyways as if its perfectly normal and right.

To Absalom people; can you point to just one thing that any KD in your alliance has done that you consider to be shady, or do you seriously mean to say that every kingdom in absalom has been perfect at all times?

It would be nice if you could clarify if you guys are actually sane people or just naive indoctrinated fools.
06-09-2012, 08:58
Anri

I said last age that Simians vs Abs conflict will be used in upcoming ages and that it was not a smart move to double us.

This is only the start right here. Absalom changed the game-plan by allowing dibs and making a double hostile look legit.

They will more then likely experience themselfs outnumbered in most conflicts like this and infact my personal beleif is that Absalom will be greatly damaged because of one stupid move they did. Infact i even think they will lose lots of strength overall by this and i am not sure they will ever recover to take control in the top. Absalom is dead Era.

I did offer sanctuary to walk away with the bank hit. Waited 1h without any more hits on us.
Then waved HoH. People think time and stances is not an issue? If you want to dance you give the other KD the ****ing button or pay for the consequence of losing your target.

I cant wait for the day when i finaly get to have some fun also and make use of all these conflicts setting the new standards for absalom. GG

Edit: I also like to clarify when the situation is 3 vs 1 and all can notice you at the same time there is not any alternatives left.
If you do not notice all 3 opponents one of them will be left to freely pump/grow and win the age. We did the only thing we could when situation was 3 vs 1.
Giving notice to three KDs at once does not give them the right to break CF terms and start 2 dragons at once before CF is over. It does NOT give them the right to double you when button is given to another KD.

People that think just because you have been noticed you got the right to double and powerplay the other KD is just dumb people not up to pair with how things work in this game.

You can do it, but then dont whine about the consequences upcoming ages when you WILL be treated in the very same way.

Does anyone really care what absalom says any longer? Im not.

I will double and rape any abs kd any time i feel for it and there is NOTHING they say in here that will take that right away from me.
It will come!

ASF/Proteus, you are right. Rage treated us fair, except for starting that dragon at the same time as Sanc and use it to negotiate for a new CF.
06-09-2012, 09:04
Syntico

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Originally Posted by prot

The only way you can claim someone, is by waving them.
No dragon started, not a single hit, no forum trash talking, no dibs, no nothing. Only a wave putting relations on Hostile and being in declare range allows you to claim. This is common practice nowadays.

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You can claim hostile with a bounce yo.

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