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I think that is unnecessarily true. If we choose to pump more, we war less. If we war more, we have less science. When warring a high science kd, start with some learn attacks. When bored during breaks between war, find someone to learn from. When playing orc, risk getting learned if science is high. Build library/school and lose other buildings, build other buildings and lose library/schools, or build all in useless quantity. Pump on pop to increase shepherd bonus, or pump on thievery to increase thieves efficiency when chained down.
Well, there's plenty of choices to make with science.
In short, your post agrees with me: gaining science trades off with other activities, such as war. This indicating that in order to be competitive with kingdoms that do pump science, you have to do the same.
As for the rest of your post, this is like saying "there are choices to be made with military: how many elites to train, how many defspecs to train". It's true, but also irrelevant because it's a false choice; if I have 1000 BPA and you have 0, unless I've been a complete idiot, I have a ridiculous advantage over you.
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Zauper, you realize it takes more to "invalidate" an argument then saying "I don't agree" right?
You realize that not only was your argument wrong, but also my examples clearly demonstrate why your argument is invalid?
Do you also realize that not even bothering to respond to my arguments is further proof that you have no arguments to make?
Thought so.
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Because advocating the removal or reversion to a system already proven not to work ... isn't ridiculous?
This is false. The capped science system worked perfectly. The issues began once the cap was removed.
Now, the cap was removed in order to encourage an age-long commitment to science instead of pumping science. I've already shown why it's encouraged an age-long commitment to pumping, rather than a commitment to science alongside other things.
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Any kind of a cap and you basically penalize a kd who is able to play well.
Really? So does that mean that all of us are penalized because there is a cap on military? How about income? Population?
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I mean, if a kd stays really small and gets mad sci, it's not really that big a deal, because if they grow up into the top of the charts, the growth dilutes the sci. Go ahead, tell me how you're going to uncap every other resource to make each resource competitive with science.
This is actually false; if they have the science to sustain a full 3 bpa purchase while growing, they can grow rapidly and still sustain an effective amount of science.
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The only real "problem" here is when a kd at the top of the charts also gets left alone all age and gets some insane amount of sci. My point is ... don't let a top kd have most of the age to pump sci with.
You realize how ridiculous a statement this is, right? Let's assume for a moment that my kingdom can war with 0 downtime. Let's assume there are say, 7 kingdoms trying to pump science. It would take me 21 days to declare, immediately war, mintime war, and then post-war CF them all. In that time, they would all be substantially more pumped than me when I get back around to warring them again... making it all worthless.
You also have addressed the fact that they could just run all def, suppressing their nw and making it impossible for me to get gains because i would need to be substantially larger in order to break their 120+ DPA strategies.
You also realize that this has been done with the kingdom not dropping out of the top 10, without CFs... right? So what is your argument exactly?
Beyond which, a top kd could just go to FW after getting waved, and then wait for me to wave someone else and go back to it, losing minimal land.
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Which is why I said going back to a system that was proven not to work (as in, proven to be broken) is foolish.
How was the old system broken?
I love how you make statements like this, or that it would 'cripple or remove science' and then refuse to defend them.
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My kd has had 7 wars this age and everyone in the kd has at least 1300 BPA.
Please post full SOT and SOS's on your kingdom here so that we can verify before we begin this discussion.
p.s. DHaran is right -- learn attacks aren't really a valid check to science growth.
