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Yea I said earlier a Gnome/Rogue would completely dominate him. Tornado+GA and a good hit would destroy his province, and he would not even be able to retal from the overpop, and vines most likely lacks the knowledge to recover from an overpop without leaving his prov in ruins (tho it is in pretty bad shape already).
I think the C+ Catwalk gave it was being nice, this is a horrendous province, and most ghettos would be able to disable it in a war.
This is how it's done:
The Province of Chong (XX:XX)
[http://www.utopiatemple.com Angel v1.94 Alpha 1]
Server: Genesis #19
Utopian Date: February 18th, YR7
RL Date: February 6th, 2009 (17:30 GMT)
Ruler Name: The Wise Lord Me
Personality & Race: The Sage, Human
Land: ~1,500 Acres
Money: 995,003gc (38,226gc daily income)
Food: 540,035 bushels
Runes: 53,685 runes
Population: 43,943 citizens (30.28 per Acre)
Peasants: 10,660 (91% Building Efficiency)
Trade Balance: 1,565,393gc
ME+Stance (no spells): 148.14% off. / 112.94% def.
Soldiers: 826 (69.8% estimated draft rate)
Swordsmen: 729 (5,400 offense)
Archers: 11,592 (78,553 defense)
Knights: 11,853 (105,354 offense / 40,161 defense)
War-Horses: 2 (up to 3 additional offense)
Prisoners: 371 (1,649 offense)
Total Modified Offense: 113,629 (78.31 per Acre)
Practical (100% elites): 113,629 (78.31 per Acre)
Total Modified Defense: 119,646 (82.46 per Acre)
Practical (0% elites): 79,485 (54.78 per Acre)
Thieves: 5,674 (3.91 per Acre / 89% Stealth)
Wizards: 2,609 (1.80 per Acre / 80% Mana)
** Effects Summary (Known Science Only) **
37.3% Income (448,975 points)
21.3% Building Effectiveness (287,072 points)
19.9% Population Limits (589,110 points)
89.3% Food Production (78,615 points)
23.8% Gains in Combat (182,306 points)
134.2% Thievery Effectiveness (315,630 points)
87.2% Magic Effectiveness & Rune Production (133,157 points)
** Science Points in Progress **
Housing: 12,668 points in progress
1. Farms: (6.1%)
2. Training Grounds: (15%)
3. Barracks: (13.2%)
4. Hospitals: (15%)
5. Guilds: (11.1%)
6. Towers: (4.1%)
7. Thieves' Dens: (20.2%)
8. Libraries: (12.1%)
9. Dungeons: (2.4%)
** Effects Summary (Available Buildings Only) **
1. Produce 7,024 bushels (8,780 with FL)
2. +17.41% offense bonus
3. -15.65% attack time
4. 23.21% cure plague, -34.82% military losses
5. Training about 2.93 wizards per hour
6. Produce 818 runes per hour
7. -58.6% losses, +43.95% effectiveness
8. +21.32% science effects (not affected by BE)
9. 700 prisoners (2,100 offense, 350gc, 350 jobs)
SOON?! LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Archi
D. On the bright side vines, that's an upgrade from where I've ranked many of your previous problems...err, provinces. (that was actually a completely honest Freudian slip)
I'm glad to see you've decided that science just might be worth the tremendous NW penalty.
I first statement state that was science was useless if used with a garbage province. Even with science a garbage province will still be a garbage province, the only difference is that it has science.
And how are 37% homes better than the buildings I'm using?
You posted your provinces' stats. It is clear that mines still out wins. Not to say that you province is not a well built province but thread is an example of how to play and run human sage province to near perfection. From the post of the example province it should have been clear to everyone that I am still in the middle of building my military foundation.
vines your province is terrible, everyone agrees.
Please explain how it is so clear. You lack adequate t/m protection (low wpa, low tpa, no wt) as well as durability (no hospitals). You might get sexier opa/dpa stats but that will be meaningless if you can't cover those two things.
I think vines is a an alias for someone else. I also think he is having a grand time messing with you all
I understand it is a new province.
I understand that your science is low.
I even understand that it is a work in progress.
However you castle of a province that you are attempting to build is sitting on a weak foundation. Your build is what is crippling you. If you are not exploring(or a gnome)than the benefits that homes give you are not worth the effort. I understand you like homes...so bare with me.
Slim down to 10% homes and try using some of the other suggested buildings, barracks are a good start. Just try it do not comment just give it a try.
Also with your sciences 1 point for each category is not great management. Try Focusing on the big 3 more if you are a pure attacker. Income, Be, Pop....just focus on those 3 for a while and watch how your provinces changes.
I am not bashing you i am honestly trying to help you see this differently. Just give these suggestions a try and report back in 1 week then compare the differences....Also include the NW it allows for a better province break down.
(i understand your theory that High NWPA means more land gained and few lost, however it also means you are going against more nw efficient provinces and if one them is using GS than you fail from the start)
Bull**** it I just need to train more def specs instead of elites.
Your last claim is wrong. Even with gs at best things are even.
I will update every other day as I have already.
My plans will not change just keep watching.
Be prepared to watch those def specs get NSed into obvlivion with mod TPA < 2 vines, along with incurable plague and massive troop losses.
lol you are not just stupid, you're nuts. My advice get some psychiatric help.Quote:
Originally Posted by vines
Vines is just too good for our advice.
you mean vines is too narcissistic for our advice
Vines is actually the VT2 of the future, after being given a labotamy and sent back in time to destroy himself, creating a reality breaking paradox. Its just a time bomb wating to happen...
Vines....as i am much too large i have decided to delete and start over....looking forward to bumping into you on gen
lol Ishandra that or he's plain nuts
A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
1 has a grandiose sense of self-importance +yup
2 is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love +yup
3 believes that he or she is "special" and unique +yup
4 requires excessive admiration +yup he really has this
5 has a sense of entitlement *I think so, but not entirely sure
6 is interpersonally exploitative +yup this he is
7 lacks empathy *maybe don't know for sure, at least he hasn't shown it, so it could be, then again it may not at least he has no regard of others but that alone isn't sufficient to say he lacks empathy
8 is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her *hasn't shown it sofar, but give it some time
9 shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes +oh this he is beyond a doubt, the clear of willing to see the other side
hmmm I count more than 5, I think we have a winner here.
He's watching us conspire against him right now.
freemehul I think I may fit number 1. I don't fit number 2. Number ofcourse don't we all think we are unique from one another, to me that one proves nothing. 4 I can stop posting right now, fact in, I get head aches from all the *****ing I get from yous guys, but I come around one and awhile to make things fun again. 5 I'm not sure what I would be entitled to be if I'm entitled to something give it to me. 6 This is not true. 7 I am able to put myself in other situations that is why I do well in war. I can put myself in the other guys shoes and that allows me to see what moves he will do next. 8 Nope I'm just not that type of person. If I ever do get envious it only makes me better. It makes me want to achieve more than what I already have. 9 I'm arrogant yeah so what's your point.
I don't fit most of these things. Please make your own thread to post this kind of crap. If you want to post examples of your province then by all mean you can post them here. That's what this thread is here for.
Sully has the right idea. I look forward to our match.
P.s.freemehul please don't argue with this post. I know myself better than you know me. Yet some how you're post something and claim that you have proven me wrong
lol try it, you can'tQuote:
4 I can stop posting right now
please don't stop!
Vines.
How about this.. I'll make a Human Sage province on genesis in say 24 hours. You set a time for my province to challenge yours, and we'll have some fun. You name the dates, just don't forget I have 3 days of protection I'm required to be in.
We'll test the nature of your.. (how long have you been building this province?) against one that was started far later.
I'll even note that I haven't played genesis in several ages and have no actual clue of its environment.
vines will lose for sure. lol nice way of tricking someone into a war in order to get a war win
newark don't worry i'm sure he'll post again or post under an alias tomorrow
Not interested in a war with his kingdom and not sure the kd I join would be either. Just looking for some hot prov on prov action.
Actually, I'll extend the grounds of this challenge.
Vines, you choose my race/personality.
ah then nice way of tricking someone into getting owned by you
what you're doing it for? Is it the books, the money or the runes? ;)
Entertainment.
I want to see if I can overcome vines given the following set backs:
1-Time Restraints due to actually having a life.
2-His province being x days older than mine and already on its way to greatness
3-His choice of my race/pers combination.
Hopefully he'll choose what he believes is the worst combo out there to make this somewhat a challenge for me.
And, maybe while I'm at it, I can help him better understand the advice given by the people in this thread. That's another advantage he has, others have already told him what to prepare for.
don't be so sure he can pick a bad combo ;)Quote:
Hopefully he'll choose what he believes is the worst combo out there to make this somewhat a challenge for me.
lol he only ignores the advice, so I kind of doubt he will learn from it. Besides when he loses he'd only sink into a depression and he'd still ignore the advice.Quote:
And, maybe while I'm at it, I can help him better understand the advice given by the people in this thread. That's another advantage he has, others have already told him what to prepare for.
Who lured who into a war?
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Originally Posted by Ezzerland
Ezzerland I accacpt your challenge. Human Sage vs. Human Sage. When you are my size and you think army is ready msg me. I have to know who I'm facing.
lol Human Sage vs Human Sage, Ezzer he's making this easy for you, please beat his ass so bad he quits Utopia.
Let me know if you want me DE to suicide so you can learn me a bit Ezzer to catch up ;) Not that you'll need it heh.
As of this second, I just created a Human Sage province on Genesis.
To my surprise, I'm 655 acres? I'll probably msg you in ~100h asking for a loc. That's a guestimate ofc. basically a day or more oop.
honestly u guys need to stop talking **** just because its vines. once he builds up his prov it will be pretty strong.
he is only at 56% draft atm say he drafts up to 66% an additional 10% meaning over 3k more soliders.
he will have ~6k soliders total say he trains
4k> knights
2k> thieves
he'll have over 100 opa all elites out with 57dpa, 3 TPA
he can probably drop some homes to 30% and get some hospitals, lose some farms but that really it.
and this is assuming he drafts to 66%, he can proabbly go even higher. especially after his sci gets better
He wont drop homes though and he wont train thieves.
He might not even train the soldiers, judging by the last 3 CBs I've tooke of him being online with ~450k GC and 1k soldiers.
well common, based on that logic he wouldnt have any army or thieves at all.
he might not drop some homes for hospitals but thats just his loss. but he will defininately train.. if i remember correctly he use to talk all the time about drafting 80%+ armies lol
Toast is correct I did have 100opa and 57dpa with army out. Howevery I am changing my military build to have 70opamax and 80dpa with full army out. This ratio will allow me to break just about any one while keeping safe. If one tries to build up more opa in an effort to break my province they will in affect be allow it so I need to send less of my attacking force thus I will still be able to maintain dpa at home that I would like too.
toast, you obviously don't know vines very well. He will never have a draft as high as 66%, because he never lets his BE go below 100%. He won't drop his homes, because that will also cause his BE to drop, and for some strange reason he thinks 37% Homes is strong. As you can see above, he thinks 70opa will break just about anyone, that's how naive he is. He claims to be pure attacker, yet doesn't have the military power of most hybrids, so it's all a big joke. Any decent A/T or A/M would totally shred this province, no matter how much he adjusts it, because there is no strategic intelligence involved in his setups.