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Ethan my comment on GS and their relation to Theif Ops was a hypothetical idea related to Guard Stations. It was not a query. I posted it because it is something i think could make GS worth a place in my province.
I think it would make sense, since they are after all 'Guard' Stations.
That's what WTs are for. Combining them into one building, so to speak, would make it extremely overpowered.
this is what i posted earlier - I think Guard Stations might be better if they also helped against the amount of gc's, runes or bushels stolen from a province during Theif ops in the same way they work with acres taken during Traditional March attacks. As they are now i do not, in all of my accumulated noob level wisdom, feel Guard Stations are 'worth it'.
I never meant to combine any buildings together, also watch towers do not do this at all. It was simly a thought as to something i think GS should effect.
WTs do exactly that.
gs reduce the amount of land you lost thus reduce the amount of building you lost thus reduce the lost of resources each tick, what else do you want more?Quote:
Originally Posted by scorpio86
gs is a good especially for attacker, the less land you lost the less overpop u will get and the less pezzie/troops you will lost thus less resources in a way.
gs is not a super building but it is good just to hold for 12 hour before your army returns with the land.
oooh alrighty, thankyou, cheers
GS+WT = A/T inferior. i would run would run 20% minimum of this magical new building :)
shall we call them Guard Towers? or Watch Stations? hmmmm
Perhaps Tower Stations?
i vote Tower Stations! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by scorpio86
I vote 'AHT'. Anti-Halfling (Human) Turret. ;)
nice! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Gallowmere
I like to run high gs and suicide with low attack times all war. Its very fun. We are top 5 kd in honor too so I can safely say... It does work! And by "high gs" I mean 28%. People might argue against it, but its amazing if u play army in/army out and force them to deal with u
And to follow up... Regardless of how strategic it may actually be, it really is the most fun. Getting chained is a great thing if ur active, since u can deal with it on a tick by tick basis and save one of your hard hitting pure attackers that does a triple tap each log-in (but only logs on every 12 hours), from tanking a chain that would kill him
Money 0
Peasants 967
Food 0
Runes 2432
Net Worth 66,000
Land 484
Net Worth/Acre 136
Buildings:
Barren Land 50 10.3%
Military Barracks 77 15.9%
Come back when you are really being chained DDodge :P
I am now considering 10% Guard Stations myself. So to clarigy - in the guide when it reads that GS lower resource losses it means they lower lost acres in TMs, resources in Plunder/books in Learn? And also to clarify do they or do they not lower gold coins, runes, bushels stolen in enemy Theif operations?
With 28% gs no chain is too "real" to survive :)
Scorpio, build 20%+ gs or don't build any
10% is rainbow style
I like the term rainbow style, although i am a hippy.
I am not sure that i can fit 20% into my building strat, unless i use my 12% Forts as well as the acres i have coming in (which are about 10% of my total land themselves)
I would can the 12% forts
Care to eleborate as to why? Also why is 10% Guard Stations so unnacceptable? With that 22% of my land (between the Forts i have and the incoming acres) which would be better to defend my Province - GS or Forts? Considering that i am gearing towards attacking heavily in war.
I would normally run 25% Guardstations but when you have been hit 10+ times every day for the last 3 days they don't stand up for very long.
forts is useless for a heavy attacker. 100% useless.
Care to elaborate as to why please? I have new acres coming in soon and i am unsure whether to use them for GS or Forts? I need reasons imp.
Well Forts increase you defense by a percentage right? So if you are a heavy attacker you have a low defense and so the increase in defense is going to be low.
For example lets presume you have 1000 acres and are running a standard 40 DPA.
10% forts will probably depending on BE, increase DME by around 10%, giving you 44DPA.
Is 4 DPA going to deter an attacker really? Not having guard stations is more likely to do the opposite, attackers will see you as a max gain target.
But that is not why they are 100% useless. They are 100% useless because even if they do deter someone from attacking you (which is very unlikely), they are not just going to give up attacking, they will attack one of your KD mates and so your forts may have saved you from a hit, but on the scale of things nothings changed; your KD has still taken the same amount of hits.
Guard stations will reduce the amount of acres taken from your KD overall.
If you are a heavy attacker (depending on personality and race) you need Rax, GS, Hospitals and TG. As a human shepherd i would make use of all 4 of these buildings.
Edit. My Human Shep war build:
15% TG
15% Rax
15% GS
15% Hospitals
10% Armories (Or theif dens depending on your TPA)
10% banks
5% farms
8% guilds
4% towers
3% dungeons
lol Try 130 acres from 1k and then come back to me :P That was courtesy of Landro, et al.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Imp
Thankyou imp, wise words indeed although i am still not sold on having hospitals, thankyou
@ imp, dunno about the armories... Could bump rax/gs up to 20% each if u canned them!
@ Ordray, I want to war landro :)
I wouldnt mind but we are actually winning the war... I have just become a bully victim.Quote:
lol Try 130 acres from 1k and then come back to me :P That was courtesy of Landro, et al.
np mate, ofc this is only my opinion and you will have yours i know :PQuote:
Thankyou imp, wise words indeed although i am still not sold on having hospitals, thankyou
@ DDodge - You should, it's fun :D We lost pretty severely, but it was one of the most fun wars that I've had.
11k acre difference in our favor... Wonder if he would agree to one :)
Meh i dont play human but it was based on the reasoning that human elites are expensive to train and their alternative is half as strong.... if not them i would have TD and ramp up the TPA.Quote:
@ imp, dunno about the armories... Could bump rax/gs up to 20% each if u canned them!
I am now considering 10% Guard Stations myself. So to clarify - in the guide when it reads that GS lower resource losses it means they lower lost acres in TMs, resources in Plunder/books in Learn? And also to clarify do they or do they not lower gold coins, runes, bushels stolen in enemy Theif operations?
They only protect against attacks that take resources. They do nothing to protect against Raze or Massacre, and ops are not hindered by the presence of GS.
Not sold on having Hospitals, eh? Should I send you the play by play of what happened to the monarch of the current KD we are warring...who thought running hospitals on an Undead was stupid? He didn't last long. We didn't even have to op him to soften him up. The Emerald dragon and lack of hospitals did that for us during the hits. I'll put it this way...we're ghetto...he was at around 1k...now our new recruits coming OOP are snacking on him to keep him from growing back up...with his whole 800 Zombies he has left.Quote:
Originally Posted by scorpio86
Edit: Oh yeah, he was also running Forts, and no GS...just sayin'. ;)
but undeads shouldnt run hospitals...
Yes, they should...
But they DO protect against acres lost in Traditional Marches by the enemy?
GS do, yes.
Cheers for that Ordray.
Here's an example of why you should have hospitals.
Lets say that you have 5k defense specs or 25k raw defense.
You lose 5% on defense.
After 1 hit you have only 4750
2 hits: 4512 = 22560 defense
3 hits: 4286 = 21340 defense
4 hits: 4071 = 20355 defense
5 hits: 3867 = 19335 defense
6 hits: 3673 = 18365 defense
7 hits: 3489 = 17445 defense
8 hits: 3314 = 16570 defense
As you can see, you lose 34% of your defense in just 8 hits.
That's only if the enemy doesn't use Pitfalls on you which most would do. With pitfalls, the numbers are even worse.
hit 1 4687 23435
hit 2 4394 21970
hit 3 4119 20595
hit 4 3861 19305
hit 5 3619 18095
hit 6 3392 16960
hit 7 3180 15900
hit 8 2981 14905
~41% of your defense lost in just 8 hits.
Now, look at it with a 25% reduction from hospitals, without and with pitfalls:
Without:
hit 1 4812 24060
hit 2 4631 23155
hit 3 4457 22285
hit 4 4289 21445
hit 5 4128 20640
hit 6 3973 19865
hit 7 3824 19120
hit 8 3680 18400
With:
hit 1 4765 23825
hit 2 4541 22705
hit 3 4328 21640
hit 4 4125 20625
hit 5 3931 19655
hit 6 3746 18730
hit 7 3570 17850
hit 8 3402 17010
As you can see, you end up with a significantly higher defense with hospitals than without.
Now, let's look at offensive losses which occur at a rate of 7%/hit.
Let's say 1 hit/unique, 2 uniques/day and a 4 day war, so 8 hits again. Human w/ 5k elites.
Without hospitals:
hit 1 4650 37200
hit 2 4324 34592
hit 3 4021 32168
hit 4 3739 29912
hit 5 3477 27816
hit 6 3233 25864
hit 7 3006 24048
hit 8 2795 22360
With 25% reduction:
hit 1 4737 37896
hit 2 4488 35904
hit 3 4252 34016
hit 4 4028 32224
hit 5 3816 30528
hit 6 3615 28920
hit 7 3425 27400
hit 8 3245 25960
That's a difference of ~450elites and 360,000+soldier drafting costs without armories to retrain them. And it's a difference of 3.6k raw offense.