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Why are you so angry? That's it... I'm going to hug the **** out of you. You better run!
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Can I get in on this huggle action?
in my work place, we have 2 old time utopia players and 4 ppl that wanted to try the game.
atm non of them play, the last one that tried to play got himself (and me) deleted in the past.
so all in all, that's 6 players lost - and who know how more ppl they could have talked into join the game if there was a way for them to play...
utopia need more players, those of us who play have wifes\co workers\friends and so on that we can talk into join the game, but when we do those ppl find out that they cant attack\aid or do other things that other players can.
so, what can be done?
the way i see it, you can take a small amount (few $ a year) from every person claim to be white list. you make sure the same credit card is'nt being used and here you go - you can make sure that it's not the same person playing few provs.
that way, game will even get a little more money and you can get some extra players that can pay for the game but atm dont want to join becuse of the white list problems.
it wont fix all the problems (if 1 out of 10 agree to pay, it's still 9 players not playing) but it's a start and an option.
If whitelisted provinces cannot attack the same targets, then said laws should also apply to provinces being sat. Regardless, it becomes an "advantage" if we go by other threads. Paid or no, there should be just as much restrictions on sitting as whitelisting, including and not limited to aid, attacks and ops.
That makes sitting pointless.
Not necessarily. They can still do ops and attacks, on other provinces as long as it is not the same province. Just because they cannot send aid to one another does not mean that their other kd mates cannot send them aid. It's the same concept and it ends the debate on sitting vs. whitelisting. *shrugs* I'm sure that there are kds that have abused the sitting option.
You can't abuse sitting.
If you make this happen to sitting you have 2 sets of IPs instead of one increasing the issues.
I do not understand the second sentence :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
The original accounts IP set and the sitters IP set - its not going to happen, forget it.
So why is it fair then? And how are provinces protected from cheaters that sit provinces during wars?
What?
Is there any thing in place preventing a player attacking the same province from both owned and sat account? Also, is there any thing preventing them from aiding themselves as well as (being sneaky) aiding the sat province to bump province strength? Is there any thing preventing the sat province from gathering intel or doing ops against a target and then the owned province attacking the same target or visa versa? Sitting has been an issue for a long time as well, just generally ignored.
Those are measures that are implemented on WL'ed provinces and are things that would just have to be worked around just as WL'ed provinces would have to do. Fair in respect if you think about it.
Not really, if you aren't sat then you can do all mentioned. If you don't share an IP you can do it all also.
And if your province is sat....? Are there limitations upon Sitter/Sat interactions?
No.
A straight answer :) Thank you Palem.
Okay and you still end up with the problem of "paying to cheat". It's worse because SITTING is unrestricted. Yeah it's three weeks in an age, but then again, you only need it during war times were activity needs to be superb right? This unrestricted freedom allows the host province to benefit as he will as he can send himself all the aid he wants. He can also double tap from to different provinces... or in some cases, TAP TEN TIMES. Think of that danger too.
There is no danger.
Sitting is good. Lets me take vacations without having to worry about my prov being in danger.
? How so? I was just told they have unlimited access to both accounts with no restrictions. Tell me how there is no danger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
So what if they do? Its not a danger. Burden of proof is on you.
So how do we prove that a sat province is aiding a sitter? I would like to see that
Why would you need to prove that - that isn't abuse or an issue in the slightest.
It is worse than x-logging... It's handed-to-you x-logging. You cannot tell me that it isn't.
I agree with the attitude thread. :P
Sitting is FAR too easy to abuse.
Of course i can tell you its not xlogging. We define the terms. Sitting is sanctioned.
Abuse is not the right term either.
Oh sorry, it's not abuse. It's "sanctioned" cheating. It is the SAME thing. How can you not see a correlation with this?
Top K/D's at war can get their hyper active provinces to "SIT" for their less active provinces during a war. How is it NOT abusable?
If its allowed within the rules of the game its not cheating how hard can it be to understand that? I guess you dont use invites either or trades or anything similiar like that cause that would also be cheating then if we are using your logic. Top kds have more or less only active players so they dont need really anyone sitting them except for when they actually are on vacation or away for some reason.
it rly pisses me off how ppl equalize sitting with xlogging ... its not the same friggin thing ... ignoring the facts blindly just to make the argument doesnt make your point any more valid, just makes yoou looks redicolous.
With xlogging multiple people share login intel and log on for eachother, one province (all provinces beeing shared) can have any number of players which log into them thus ensuring 24/7 presence on line in case of emergency, they can abuse it to soliderblock, swap monarchy, kill dragons instantly, hide resources and do any number of sweet moves you can make with 25 ppl online.
With sitting you still have one guy playing that province and he can run 2 provs max in total, both of those provs's online presence is limited with his online time and cant be online 24/7 on call ...
Diference is obvious here ... so can we PLEASE stop using the rather moronic argument how xloging and sitting are the same thing ...
It's all about the rules. Unfortunately, even if the rules don't make sense, there's nothing we can do about it. Just gotta deal with it.
All the more reason to come down on this a bit as well. If a person is running more than one province at any time, neither province should be allowed to interact with each other nor should they be able to attack/op the same target. I never said sitting was wrong. Whitelisting was never wrong. Those who abuse them are. Simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by citadela01
So cheating isnt wrong. Cause you been claiming that sitting is cheating for awhile now..
i "sit" on a chair. do i look like a cheater?
whats wrong with all these people!
Exactly, because its paid for...that's what its all about. So basically what your saying here is...As long as you pay..you can sit a province and do ANYTHING. White listers are cheaters without proof and get screwed because we arent paying. You cant prove there is abuse on the white list either...you just ASSUME it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
you could just not hit the same target - solved
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Originally Posted by citadela01
It really pisses me off that you accuse people on the white list(2 people playing from same IP)of being xloggers with no PROOF! Just because you THINK they do it doesn't mean they do. Get over yourself already. Unless YOU have a guilt conscience and are guilty of cheating.
odd ... play styles changes every year .... you used to have to be traded to play into a kd that is good or the kd u want to play in, so playin with ur friends is pretty much mean you are cheating by what you are saying, or so gettin invited to a kd is pretty much cheating ... since not all kd know people to invite ... so all kingdoms should be scramble and cease trading(inviting)?? .... odd it seem that's what you want ... the whole server to be reshuffle =) ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Azartyn
odd people ... get with the time, if it's legal go for it ... if not ... stop whining ....
We arent accusing anyone, we are just blocking it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azartyn
AZN...step away from the crackpipe because what you just said has NO relevance to what I was talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkz Azn
And letting people that pay..... do it. Either way..you're screwing mostly honest players and letting people that pay get away with it. Im done with this conversation because you were always against the white list any way Bishop. You ignore any one else that has a valid argument because you were against it from the start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop