Cops are exempt from some laws, like the wearing of seatbelts.
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Cops are exempt from some laws, like the wearing of seatbelts.
Some cops do much worse. I was just saying that small dishonest acts also count as corruption, thus supporting the "most cops are corrupt" statement. Seat belt laws vary from state to state, but i doubt most of them have clauses that say "except cops". As far as red lights go unless its an emergency they shouldn't run the red light. It is dishonest to use the cop lights to run red lights when there is no emergency. They are not given the rights to disobey the laws they enforce to save time pulling into McDonalds. I must have seen them do this a thousand times. A public servant who is dishonest is corrupt. Maybe you should look up what that word means...
right. nothing to see here.... -_-
Doing any of the above mentioned I would be looking for a new job quickly
Well maybe you live in a small town where the norms are different. In every big city I've ever lived in I see cops do this daily. But that isnt the real problem, its the rape, murder, beating and robbery that goes unpunished.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVmGW...BmPB0xsP-HVhEe
Good thing is when it happens to you they will still show up to save your butt no matter what you believe.But no im not in a small town.Maybe different where you live.
No thanks. Id rather you STFO and mind your own business. Cops hardly do anything besides report crimes and abuse the citizenry. We would be better off reducing them to fugitive hunters. 99% of police work is unnecessary, Domestic disputes and drugs are not problems you can solve with a tazer and some iron bars.
turn it into fuedal japan where everyone is warring for power and resources and those that have military power, hmmm, MERC THAT **** OUT?
looks like someone has been arrested a few times huh. and no i dont use a taser. never seen the need for one myself.But yea if your screwing up guess what.It is their business. You made it that way.
nooblet why is the institution of law enforcers inherently corrupt?
Nature of the human race is sinful/greedy -> pick you thing
all jobs ,careers have corrupt people.from religions to garbage collectors to politicians. power and money turn people.
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Imagine if abs were given mod power over the utopia server while competing in the charts, and you'll get my meaning more or less.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetley
Other than that, deriving authority ultimately from nothing but violence is inherently corrupt, which indicts much more than the police.
Good thought, I wonder about that myself. I don't think they have police though, they prolly wont even have DNA or be made of carbon, or use visual light and sound vibrations to communicate. I think we will find that we have defined life and intelligence very poorly and are not looking in the right places; that life is abundant in the universe. How could we know some thing is not intelligent? What if what we dismiss as a cloud of assorted gasses is actually a message from an ET announcing their invasion. What if they invaded but we didn't even notice because they came for some rare element that we don't even know exists that's at the center of gas giants and stars. How would we know if the sun is aware or not, or the earth, or bacteria. We now know that there are other dimensions where time behaves differently. We could even be occupying the same space as beings who are aware of all time at once. One of the theories for the origin of life on earth was that bacteria traveled through space from some unknown location in deep space and crash landed on earth, luckly findning a habitat inwhich it could survive. If that's true than all of our intelligence and might is nothing compared with that bacteria who flew through space and seeded a whole world. What if that bacteria was sent on its mission by a galactic intelligence of some kind.Quote:
Originally Posted by hllwrld
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Originally Posted by thephatman
Small acts do not count as "corruption" if they are specifically allowed to do them, such as cops not having to wear a seatbelt. In the UK and Ireland police (and taxi drivers) are exempt from seatbelt laws, for example.
Your statement that "most cops are corrupt" is unfounded, unproven and balls.
There are plenty of examples where it was made evident that there were indeed corrupt police. Best example is the evidence that about half the Chicacgo police force in the late 20's to early 30's were being paid by the Chicago Outfit, a maffia group run by the likes of Al Capone. There is plenty evidence to be found of corrupt police in numerous Asian, African, Latin American and European nations. So to say that corruption does not exist and that corrupt police is sheer and utter foolishness and very naive. However to say that all police are corrupt and to make unfounded accusations against every policeman is equally foolish.
As for the Netherlands... I'm generally of the assumption that most policemen aren't corrupt. And thank goodness for that, though some rotten apples are to be found. You do read some stories about fines and parking tickets being waived on policemen and more rarely some policeman with a drug habit who gets caught, but on the whole I would say that most policemen and policewomen are squeaky clean in the Netherlands.
however that doesn't mean that I don't see any systematic corruption in the Dutch police force, because I am of the opinion that there certainly is systematic corruption in some parts of the Dutch police force, but most of that corruption has a political nature. Its primarily corruption based on the purchase of materials for the police, such as IT systems, communication systems, police guns, and squad cars. Dutch police has a terribly inefficient IT system, that is incredibly expensive. The Dutch police communication system is one of the worst in Europe and yet again it is terribly expensive. It is the same story with police guns. The squad cars are of good quality, but again very expensive. I have serious doubts whether these stupid purchases are all due to incompetence of the persons who are in charge and responsible for these purchases, I do think that bribery has occured here.
But again to say that there are a few rotten apples doesn't mean you should throw the whole basket away.
most police officers I know are pretty good average guys. I wouldn't put them on some supreme morale ground. I know an officer who had sex with a girl in his cop car when he was young. But I still think he does a pretty good job. His morale compass probably doesn't point dead even with what the law says... But still most police officers around here seem fairly reasonable. You meet the odd prick who has nothing better to do then give a hard time. But never had anything too crazy happen. Seen drunkies get beat up pretty good a few times, but **** they are retarded and I would strike someone more then required if they attempted to resist, better then getting knifed or something. Anyway around here the most common complaint is that police officers are of police officers using undue force when arresting drunk people / breaking up drunk people fighting.
I recall a video that was posted on youtube and sent in as a complaint, it showed a police officer knee a guy in the head and then drive him into the sidewalk so his face hit it. Then the guy was cuffed. But if you could have seen about 1 minute before the guy who was taken down and his 2 friends had knocked a guy out and were kicking him. (the guy ended up in a coma so brain swelling could go down). When police officers showed up the guys ran away and when the one guy was grabbed he took a swing at the officer. the officer restrained him and as he was wrestling with him the other officer kneed him in the head. Then he went down as described above. Watching it live it seemed 100% justified. But if you just saw the tape it looked brutal.
Anyway enough eye witnesses supported the police actions that nothing happened. But we did have an enquiry.
Id be willing to agree that most cops are good people because in general most people are good people. However, it is easily proved that police routinely break the law and go unpunished. This atmosphere of lawlessness encourages poor behavior. I think we can all agree that some police are intentionally evil. If one of these so called "evil cops" knows what to say, what evidence is required and acts with intelligence he can literally get away with murder. Its happened. I will happen again. **** the Police.
I have a question for you law dogs out there. Where is it easier to buy drugs? Prison or Street? Answer=Prison. If you dumb pigs can't even keep drugs out of the prison why do you exist at all? You are clearly corrupt and no longer serve useful purpose if you cannot even enforce the laws in your own prisons let alone the streets. What you cops call justice isn't worth the $ or the social cost id fire you all. We are Taxed out the ass so you can murder black kids and molest woman. You dont even stop the drugs. You dont even stop the gangs. Why are you here? W.O you the drugs are cheap and the gangs don't need guns to protect them. Look at your prisons; these are training camps for criminals. You Lock up a petty thief and you release a bank robber. You lock up a wife beater and release a murderer. You are Obsolete. Time to die.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVmGW...BmPB0xsP-HVhEe
Your really not worth even replying to as you have no idea what your talking about but i got to make a few points showing that as its to obvious
1. its actually easier to get drugs on the streets, where do you think the ones that get into the prisons come from to begin with.
2.Since your confused again ,You might want to realize prison guards and police are actually not the same thing .I know in a simple mind they might be seen as such but in actuality they are not even close. You might want to do alittle research on training and duties.
3.Gangs wouldnt need guns if there was no police ? Thats probably the dumbest statement you have actually made. You dont realize most drug killings are drug deals gone bad. They kill each other for money and drugs almost daily along with anyone else they see might feed their habit. Are you really that goofy or just high ?
4.We put people in jail and prisons. Once again your confused and dont understand how it works.Judges and the prisons release the idiots we try to get off the streets.Thats about all i agree with you. They should be left there not released.
You mostly racist views are that of either a drug user,a kid or someone whos daddy is in jail.None of the 3 hold much knowledge of how the legal system really works as you have so easily proved.
As far as Chris Donor,If what he says was going on then he should have been commended for standing up against it,but he should have went outside the department and used the whistle blower act when they turned against him. Instead with what hes done hes no better then them and now actually worse.
#1 Wrong, on the streets some of the people you ask will not have or know about drugs. Ask anyone in prison where to get a hit and he can tell you.
#2 You mistook me, I don't just think cops are obsolete, its the whole criminal "justice" system, from judges to prosecutors to Prison guards, parole officers and patrol duty cops. You fail to preform the jobs you have been given to an acceptable level of competence. In fact i think it has gotten to the point that law enforcement only exacerbates civil unrest/criminal behavior. You no longer provide justice, only violent and brutal punishment. Your prisons are training grounds for the criminal elite. You are simply obsolete and no longer serve a useful purpose. Like the Pony Express there is just nothing for you do to anymore, try as you might to make up problems to "fix" like the war on drugs, you only make the situation more violent / profitable for the criminals. Police no longer see the citizens as innocents in need of protection, you consider citizen to be enemy combatants. If you lock up the wrong man, its his fault for matching the description of the assailant. If a citizen is wounded you let him bleed, "that's a paramedics job", besides you will get more paid court time for a murder compared with assault, its in the interest of your pay scale to be heartless. Prosecutors are more concerned with their win ratings than convicting the guilty.
#3 The only reason drugs are expensive and warrant such great violence to protect is that they are illegal. If drugs were legal their value would plummet. It would quickly reach the tipping point where they no longer provide their distributors with the obscene profits they need to convince ppl to kill/die protecting them. It would become unprofitable to engage in urban warfare, the smart gangs would likely incorporate and slow become legitimate businessmen much like the sellers of alcohol and tobacco. Before you **** a brick, this is exactly what happened after the prohibition of alcohol.
#4 In america the police no longer need to comply with the basic human rights promised by the Constitution. There is a "Thin blue line" of purgery, evidence tampering, and corrupt official decision making that protects you from being held against the laws you hold up. Watch that you tube, it contains a documentary of police misconduct the likes of which you will find hard to ignore or dismiss. And that is simply what we know about, no doubt the tip of the iceberg. They answer to thier superiors, and thier superiors answer to the state gov't and Washington. Police forces have no connection to the community, they drive around and see everyone as a possible suspect/ enemy combatant.
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We should go back to a local sheriff system, each voting district should elect a Sheriff, it should be up to him to appoint deputies as needed. He should be funded locally so that he does not report to any higher authority besides the voters in his district. Perhaps a local sales tax decided on by the voters. Sheriff should be allowed to appoint his deputies and organize his police force in what ever way seems best to solve to problems of his individual area. If he does a bad job, vote him out. With out having to answer to mayors, Governor etc, for their funding they will no longer be preoccupied with the control of crime statistics which encourages police corruption through under-reporting / statistical manipulations. Once again the cops would walk a beat, they would know the names of the people in their area and they would be able to count on them for information and support because of the trust that would form over time. The Police are here to protect the citizenry, not make quotas of arrests decided on by statistics compiled in a boardroom of greedy self interested bureaucrats.
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I'm all for cops killing cops, to me it is no different than soldier killing soldier. He feels betrayed by a corrupt system good for him if he wants to blow away some bad cops. So far the average citizen has more to fear from the police trying to capture him than Dornor himself. 2 cops shot up a truck +30 times with women and children b4 even identifying it as the correct vehicle or whether it was driven by a male matching Dornor's description. What do you think their punishment will be? I think they should be charged Attempted murder or at least assault with a deadly weapon. According to thier supervisor they failed to follow any proper procedures, but do you know what will happen to this deadly criminals? Suspension with out pay. If I was a sick twisted ****er, I would become a cop, shoot up a family and walk. Sounds like a good deal to me. They didn't even do polygraphs on police until 2000, imagine how many serial rapists, murders, violet beaters are in the police force.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...wyer-says?lite
As far as the Whistle Blower act is concerned i think Dornor would have been a fool to put his faith in it. If you havn't been paying attention to the news recently, whistle blowers have been redefined as enemy spies and are being tried under the espionage act. Also the FED reserves the right to blow up, detain indefinably with out trial or notice to family any person, citizen or not, in any country, USA or not, for any reason they see fit, not subject to review by any court of law. Some times I wonder if I fell asleep and woke up in 1930 Germany.
*edit* I figured out what this sentence meant and responded, though i had to read it a couple times.
"You mostly racist views are that of either a drug user,a kid or someone whos daddy is in jail.None of the 3 hold much knowledge of how the legal system really works as you have so easily proved."
Yeah, im 26, my father is an Engineer with no criminal record. I have no criminal record outside of traffic violations for speeding etc. I do smoke weed recreationally and firmly believe it is my right to do so under the constitution's 1st, 8ths and 9ths amendments. Not only did 1/2 the founding fathers smoke it and would not have allowed it or any other substance to be banned. It is cruel and unusual to ban a harmless drug that has both medical and economic benefits to society while at the same time legalizing alcohol which is proven to lead to reckless and violent behavior as well as destruction of the brain and liver. I am a libertarian so i would not support banning any substance for any reasons however i think the hypocrisy of the states decision as to where to draw the line is humorous and reveals their ingenuous motives.
As im sure you did not know Weed was outlawed in the 1930s because it threaten the southern cotton market b.c the textiles produced from hemp require less soil/water/time and were about 5x as long lasting / tensile strength of their cotton counterparts. However the public was sold a different line about how weed makes white women date interracial. Enter the classic film "Reefer Madness"
Also i have a BS in History and probably more knowledge of the law than the average cop. At least that has been my experience in speaking with them. I find it laughable that you would make a character attack at this point. Regardless of whether I am a deranged heroin adict or not is irrelevant. It is not my or your personal character but rather the merits of the points we bring up on this issue that are important here. I think my points have been well supported in fact and i think you have mostly relied on hyperbole and ad hominem. Feel free to look up what that means.
No idea how i missed seeing this until now.Dear Mr Bishop,Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
I am uncertain if you are a US citizen or not. Or how familiar you are with our legal system. I do not mean to project my statements to police forces outside the united states as i do know no enough about them to comment competently. But within the US it has become a common practice for law enforcement officers to violate the rights granted to us citizen through the Constitution. Some of this is due to ignorance and poor training however some cops are just smart and know that they can get away with anything so long as it cannot be proven in court they misbehaved. Much like military and congressmen the Police are required to swear to an oath before they begin duty.
On my honor,
I will never betray my badge,
my integrity, my character,
or the public trust.
I will always have
the courage to hold myself
and others accountable for our actions.
I will always uphold the constitution
my community and the agency I serve.
The establishment of check points whereby random searches are carried out, the invasion and seizure of private property with out warrant are all expressly forbidden by the constitution. However they have become a common practice of law enforcement. Now the police here operate UAV drones to monitor us from the sky, yet another clear invasion of privacy in direct violation of their oath.
Not only do law enforcement officers defy their oath of office but they routinely become excessively abusive in situations that are clearly orderly and under control. These officers are not disciplined to a sufficient degree. Often they are not punished at all since often it comes down to the word of a cop vrs a "suspect". There is also a brotherhood, or "thin blue line" that forces officers to commit perjury, tamper with evidence to avoid being ostracized by the "brotherhood". Which could be devastating not only to your day to day life as an officer but to your career as well.
I have come to this opinion after many years of being a relative to police, seeing how they act in real life, and researching the topic online. I don't want to admit too much, but I know for a fact that the police in my town sell hard drugs. I think the pattern of corrupt behavior is clear and easily proved.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQA...e=results_main
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zATOxkWK4E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUUuLeauWoU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVmGW...BmPB0xsP-HVhEe
http://ktla.com/2013/02/07/read-chri...led-manifesto/
"But within the US it have become a common practice for law enforcement officers to violate the rights granted to us citizen through the Constitution."
That's quite an assertive blanket statement to make though. In fact, it would be next to impossible to prove that it is true.
Very easy to support, there are a 3 stepsQuote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
#1, they swore to uphold constitution in their oath.
#2, Police in every state set up road blocks and conduct other mass searches with out warrants or probable cause
#3, the 4th amendment
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized
Next please.
That's not evidence, or an actual argument.
Dito?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
Im not sure what you are looking for. Police and federal check points are extremely common. At the very moment there are no doubt dozens set up within the state of Arizona alone. I think it would be extremely difficult for you to find a US citizen who has not been through one of these check points who wouldn't corroborate the essence of my statements here. Often you will be asked to leave your car and submit to a search, if you say no the search is conducted regardless and you are placed under arrest. If you resist arrest you will most likely be beaten. Where is the judge signing a warrant with my name and the description of my car. Where is due process.
Here is a pastor trying to cross the yuma desert some 5 years past when these type check points were new.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJF5cUWXA_A
I would like to hear an argument in the positive for your side of this issue. So far all i have heard from you is the dismissal of my arguments and evidence with out any of your own.
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I am willing to accept that most of the burden of proof is on my side because i have made the "inflammatory statements" However it is not enough for you to off handily dismiss my statements with out something to prove them as "false". Saying that's not an argument doesn't make it so, I agree my thesis was unclear taken from that paragraph alone. However i think we both know my thesis is this "the police break their oath to uphold the Constitution and protect the community". In conclusion they are corrupt.
I can easily dismiss your comments as you havent any proof posted. Until such time as you show documented evidence to support your statement that "within the US it have become a common practice for law enforcement officers to violate the rights granted to us citizen through the Constitution" you just come across as a crank. Surely it is in your interests to avoid this negative position.
I have submitted a considerable amount of evidence. I could easily produce more but I see no reason to as you have either not looked at it or chose not to address it directly. Perhaps you should make a point besides "thephatman is wrong b.c i am bishop". So far that's all you have managed to say. Within those Links i have posted you will find security footage, witness testimony, news broadcasts etc, all confirming my statements. Mr Bishop your still standing on thin air. Maybe its time you find some footing and say something worth addressing. At this point I could train a parrot to hold up you end of the argument, Cwaaak, " no evidence" cwaaak
Great argument, you have swayed me.
That's what i thought, nothing to say besides insults and baseless denial. Maybe next time bring half a clue and a point. They might help. Your denial would work better if you banned me from your forums for saying something you didn't like.
I didn't like your last post. In 24 hours you can attempt to post without attacking people.
The only way to reduce police corruption is for the corrupt officers to end up dead. Even then then drive to have power over others will still compell such men to seek out work as an officer. So the publice wil have to be vigilant about this vigilante justice against bad cops. cameras are catching these idiots everyday when they even know they are on Camera. So I doubt Cameras will stop it from happening either. The only way is to execute them in the streets. Then they cant get away using their system of cover-up-save-the department-face and legal loopholes. They are just gone. Hope it starts in Delaware County Oklahoma where you are more likely to get raped by a cop than anyone else.
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bwahahahah, too rich. Sorry for hurting your feelings Bishop.
I will be sure to take greater care in choosing my words in the future.
However id like to ask you to do the same. PLease refrain from calling
me a crack pot unless you intend to prove it. Seems fair to me we both
follow the same rules. I can't ban you for being insulting but i think
it would set a good example for everyone if you'd practice what you preach.
Until such time as you show documented evidence to support your statement that "within the US it have become a common practice for law enforcement officers to violate the rights granted to us citizen through the Constitution" you just come across as a crank.
^^ difference.
Sorry, I'm with Bishop on this and I am a US citizen. I also have a degree in CJ. Given the number of police officers country wide and compare the amount of corrupt officers the percentage is really really small.
"I do smoke weed recreationally and firmly believe it is my right to do so"
Thanks for proving what i suspected was correct to begin with.
Until this self proclaimed drug user actually rides in the front seat of a car and sees what 99% of the officers do daily that isnt in the news hes just rambling on with blanket propaganda and crazy accusations he has no idea about.
The founding fathers also bought and sold slaves.So because they did that does that mean its also right and you should be able to do it also or are you just picking the ones you need for your argument ?
Feel free to look that up.
Bishop and Flutter, Thanks for the support BTW.
Im sure you drink, If you ever blacked out you killed more brain cells that night then pot smoke would over a life time.
Not relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by thephatman
like there is any statistics over how many corrupt police officials there are in USQuote:
Originally Posted by flutterby