avians are clerics.
faery are mystics
agreed with Elurin's above post in regards to warring meta-game
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avians are clerics.
faery are mystics
agreed with Elurin's above post in regards to warring meta-game
This war looked like exactly how FS beats Stoners, just on a bigger scale. I think Cats has a much solid setup compares to FS with more balance attacking line up n t/ms. When Stoners messed up their war with FS, it is because of their initial hostility strategy n declaration wave. In Legacy case, if they dont hit the right target at the right time, soon they will crumble.
Soo activity trumps strategy?
Edit: I love Cats threads because they arent afraid to talk strat in public.
Wars like this are stupid, because they involve more than just consuming as many acres as possible and thinking you've attained a victory?..
GL Legacy, so far its a fun war :)
Your words are not clear, Dear Sir, could you explain, please, why wars like this (like what precisely?) are stupid, so simpleton like me could understand?Quote:
Wars like this are stupid, because they involve more than just consuming as many acres as possible and thinking you've attained a victory?..
Shaded no one was saying that, what was implied is that due our setup/strat we can drop huge amounts of acres and still have a very real chance at winning the war. I dont think that anyone who has warred us lately would argue that we win by being more active than our opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaded
I think this hits the nail on the head. It has come almost to the point that most wars aren't worth fighting due to the length of time it will take and the effort involved not being proportional to the benefits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elurin
I dislike the type of setup cats run whilst knowing still that for their purpose it is the best one they could have chosen.
I'm hoping we see a big shake-up that makes wars more interesting soon. Bring on those changes!
http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...oposed-changes
^been up for 6 days or so
Your big changes to shake up wars isn't happening, better luck next age.
yes, I'm sure everyone is aware of that already. I was talking about the comment in that thread that states: " its likely that this will be the last age before a re-jig"
Hopefully next age is the last boring one for a long time. Bring on THOSE changes ;)
I'm in Fs, so you should know that I don't think he who makes the most unique wins.
was more or less making fun of the guy who thinks land gained/unique = victory.
I only see two kds doing this successfully, with fs and cats being the respective kingdoms.cats copied fs setup ages ago and has been using it for quite some time now.
If the strat was easy to use we would see more people doing it.
I think your streaks may well be over if people know how to counter your moves. All they have to do now is aw your 3 remaining ub's and u have no chance of victory., If somehow u manage to keep them afloat u will not overturn the acres or nw deficit before age end.
AW the remaining ubs? You mean the halfer rogue prince and the two faery way out of range that are completely healthy with great econ?
Said UBs just instant slayed the dragon legacy spent a couple of days funding. Once the emerald on legacy flies away, there will be a one sided sapphire advantage for cats which will make any further attempts of disabling our top futile
Dreams are my realityQuote:
Originally Posted by Avalanche
The only real kind of real fantasy
Illusions are a common thing
I try to live in dreams
It seems as if it's meant to be
p.s:
May 8 of YR14 O0Silurian0O (##:##) invaded Cheezy Pidgeon Salade (##:##) and killed 5,492 people.
May 8 of YR14 O0Silurian0O (##:##) invaded Kristen Bell (##:##) and killed 823 people.
May 8 of YR14 __Cenoz0ic__ (##:##) invaded Unlimited Blade Works (##:##) and killed 1,834 people.
May 8 of YR14 __Cenoz0ic__ (##:##) invaded Unlimited Blade Works (##:##) and killed 1,659 people.
May 9 of YR14 O0Silurian0O (##:##) invaded Unlimited Blade Works (##:##) and killed 1,498 people.
And those 2 faeries and 1 halfling that can't be hit yet, will go down to the elves and halfings.. as you can see their nwpa is already dropping and Legacy nwpa on TM's is already higher than those UBs..
By all means keep repeating your strategy while your kingdom is being picked apart.
I guess the only bright side in this war for SPGC is that the age ends in a week and they don't care if their t/ms get slaughtered..
Normally they would have already withdrawn before their t/ms get sent back to the stone age.
Nwa just dropped a tonne because we instant slay a dragon. Funny those elves who have been massacred a tonne still MS and cast spells with success. Gonna be even easier with a one sided saph soon. If they do magically hollow out our 3 UB t/m with ops I might be worried. But they haven't been, and I don't see it happening. With the incoming saph.
Elurin is an honorable leader, competitor and player. He will wd if he thinks the war is lost. Cats won't drag it to eoa out of spite just to deny legacy a ww, we aren't that kind of kd. But yes legacy has come a long way these last few ages. It's a good fun war and closer than nw and acre difference indicates.
fawk, some more humility. Mystics are able to repop a high wpa very quickly. It is unfortunate that our tiny A/T/M's are getting massed, but it would quite easy to put them back where they belong in terms of wpa and nw. The lost honor hurts, but on the bright side we as a kd gained immense amount of honor this war due to the large initial difference.
As for dropping nwpa, sending 80k specs to instant kill a drake ususally does that to you :) Last 3 days Cat's has been gaining despite hitting upwards 170% on most hits to drag down avians and get incoming with spare off. The orcs continuously increase in offense. The top avians massing have lost 300k off since the point when they started massacring down and each nado costs ~400k to rebuild. Shouldn't underestimate the economy of elf/princes with 100k peasants, but they are not going to fund drake and keep their avians afloat.
That said, show me you would be able to win if the war kept going and we will of course WD as Avalanche states. Expect you to do the same if we manage to demonstrate the same.
I don't think fawk plays in either of the KD's. I might be wrong though.
Fawk, you're not in any of the kds are you? If you aren't, then how does it make sense to argue facts with a player IN the war, when all you have is a SN of their lower tier T/Ms being massed? I mean.. yeah you knowQuote:
Originally Posted by fawk
I'm willing to bet 10 credits vs anyone that SPGC will win this war.
I'm accepting one bet only, however.
Fewk is not part of any of the 2 Kingdoms.
Teach me how, provided you constantly get massacred which also destroys buildings and opens them up to enemy magic (tornadoe). Unless you mean peace time, with which i agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elurin
It was stated in response to the comment that we would've WD'n normally due to our T/M's being massacred. It's no issue post-war to rebuild a T/M and therefore this would not have been the cause of a WD'al. Besides, they get .5-1 mil sci per unique atm, so had the age not been ending we could've gotten realy pumped T/M's :) Obviously pumping wpa inside a war while being massacred is not an option.
I think cats will win. Legacy has to notice it early or they will soon lose a lot of honors. Cats t/m can landlust freely without fear of taken down when land lust gains is more than land lost to trads. Props keep going n replaces lost army. When the banks starts to aid Orcs to lift them out of zero defences, there wont be so much hits from legacy anymore while Cat's Orcs can still maintain quintaps, slowly dragging one prov down +4 hits for incoming acres. MS coverage bites down Legacy's top Avians army to a level their hits can't harm Cats t/m n no longer gains honors.
I will take that bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by csarmi
Anyone else wants to put their money where their mouth is?
And yeah, i don't play in either kingdom.
i would of taken it too. Not that i think legacy can win just that i dont think cats can in a week or legacy will give up. That is unless ABS/HoH hit into the war to take acres off the big fat people....see 15k acre avain in legacyQuote:
Originally Posted by fawk
Well while our Avians sacrificed a drake for the barbeque over the weekend, it seems Cats has found their way back into something that indeed did look 'grimm' as Elurin stated...
At the moment its very much back and forward, some provinces getting landfat and some resembling greece's economy, its the same on both sides.. Fighting a dragon down is indeed hard for our KD, and has hurt our drafting/income a fair bit, but we don't mind.
None of the provinces in Legacy with their feathered Chieftrains has had any long wars this age, so we are enjoying the experience that its providing our less experienced players and we will improve for the next age regardless of if we win or lose...
So everyone can discuss and talk about winning or losing, but we are having fun for the first time this age even if some of us aint catching much sleep, and i am sure Cats are enjoying a good war too.
So best of luck and hopefully PeterPan will stop believing in fearies and yours (Cats) Will drop dead from the trees.. and may your halflings feet hair catch fire.
Thanks Aranfein, excellent point. Regardless of win or lose it's a great war with good strategy and presence from both sides - cheers!
Here is summary from LAST 2 DAYS only!
It seems SPGC has regained some land in the past 2 days. 6500 acres!
Some other things to note is
SPGC total attacks: 273 vs Legacy total attacks: 427
Also, Legacy has made 66 massacares!!
SPGC have gold dragon on them. Legacy have sapphire dragon on them.
** Summary **
Total attacks made: 273 (63,601 acres)
-- Traditional march: 242 (61,568 acres)
-- Ambush: 8 (1,858 acres)
-- Conquest: 1 (175 acres)
-- Massacre: 1 (3,209 population)
-- Learn: 14
-- Failed: 7 (2.6% failure)
-- Uniques: 90
Total attacks suffered: 427 (57,269 acres)
-- Traditional march: 298 (48,128 acres)
-- Ambush: 34 (9,141 acres)
-- Raze: 2 (234 acres)
-- Massacre: 66 (133,655 population)
-- Plunder: 1
-- Learn: 16
-- Failed: 10 (2.3% failure)
-- Uniques: 103
** The kingdom of SPGC **
Total land exchanged: +6,332 (273/427)
+4,576 UGotMosquitoBiteBoobsAnyway (19 [4]/9)
+3,338 An unknown province (9/0)
+2,950 Korean Kristen Bell (14 [3]/1)
+2,557 Chewbroca (8 [5]/7)
+2,217 ManiacaL AppetitE (5 [4]/1)
+2,188 White Face Barghast (14 [3]/4)
+1,637 Papa Bear (18 [4]/12)
+1,098 ACgsmd (17 [4]/12)
+1,069 AModernMajorGeneral (5 [3]/2)
+778 Cheezy Pidgeon Salade (16 [4]/1)
+762 The Drug in us split the Earth (4 [4]/0)
+560 let me cook something for you (4 [4]/6)
+411 Yog-Sothoth is the gate (7 [2]/2)
+358 Sanity Requirements (2 [2]/0)
+335 AppetiticaL ManiaC (20 [4]/108)
+302 I like Cheese (11 [3]/6)
+4 Shangri la (8 [3]/9)
- Mantiscles Appeniacs (1 [1]/0)
-246 Kristen Bell (8 [2]/33)
-589 Swoop (1 [1]/4)
-671 Mama Bear (17 [4]/41)
-1,222 Unlimited Blade Works (14 [7]/25)
-1,533 THC (10 [7]/15)
-4,030 Organic Rankine Cycle (16 [4]/29)
-4,862 Baby Bear (11 [4]/47)
-5,889 Hate this KD (14 [4]/53)
** The kingdom of Legacy **
Total land exchanged: -6,332 (427/273)
+1,861 HOl0cene (29 [6]/0)
+1,737 __0Cambrian0__ (15 [5]/0)
+962 Dev00Onian-- (10 [4]/1)
+862 __Cenoz0ic__ (25 [5]/0)
+662 Pennsylvania__ (20 [4]/57)
+475 Mes0zOic (25 [5]/10)
+465 ___Permian_____ (20 [5]/12)
+389 Pale0z0ic_ (12 [3]/0)
+382 __Pale0gene__ (20 [6]/0)
+287 Mississippian (20 [4]/15)
+248 Ne0gene (8 [2]/0)
+217 O0Silurian0O (23 [7]/0)
+177 -__-Precambrian-__- (23 [5]/5)
+114 __Quaternary_ (8 [2]/0)
+85 Mi0cene__ (1 [1]/0)
+23 _Phaner0zOic_ (20 [4]/13)
- OligOcene- (1 [1]/0)
-353 xxxx (22 [5]/14)
-630 III_0rdovician__ (13 [3]/24)
-906 E_cene (15 [3]/28)
-1,491 Paleocene (19 [4]/27)
-2,505 Triassic (24 [5]/23)
-4,270 Paleoproterozoic (28 [9]/25)
-4,889 -_Plicene_ (26 [5]/19)
The thing about SPGC t/ms winning this in the long run.. I think they just have too many players to deal with. if it was a couple avians i could see it happening.
But SPGC 2 faeries and 1 halfling need to deal with: 6 avians, 4 elves, and 2 halflings, all sitting over the 1mil nw mark.
All Legacy T/Ms seem to be UB at this moment (4 elves, 2 halflers) and they are sitting on pretty good nwp/a.
So if we are looking at t/m advantage, i think Legacy already gained that too. While SPGC t/ms are getting massacared soon they will only be left with those 2 big faeries.
How many players can those 2 faeries keep down?
For all the wise guys here that keep saying SPGC is going to win this -
I am still taking bets, 10 or 20 credits per.
Quote:
Originally Posted by fawk
mean! why u no count the halfer?!
I see so I wasn't being technical enough there :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Persain
I would think that an unconcluded result or a mutual peace would mean neither side wins the bet.
Fawk, if war isn't concluded by EOA, do you still claim to win the bet?
I see csarmi already asked the question. What happens if war isn't over by EOA?
If war isn't concluded by eoa, we call it a draw and no one needs to pay creditsQuote:
Originally Posted by csarmi
lol love these pro assessments and summaries based on snatch news from people outside war
eh, thread would be boring if only the two kds in the war were talking and analyzing.
yeah, besides it's not like spgc or legacy are giving any updates whatsoever...
here's an update:
propaganda on forums is not enough to win wars.
Legacy stands a good chance if they could take down the halfer.
The problem with this strategy is that there is very little real ability to finish the opponent off and after a while very little changes from day to day so updates start to become redundant.
Omg getting in trouble!!
Okay, deal is settled. I suppose we can just gift the credits in game, right? We can exchange locations in PM.Quote:
Originally Posted by fawk