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07-07-2013, 15:36
Zauper

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Originally Posted by baka

All AMA has to do is take down the rogues and mystics of Havoc.. and because they got 11 of them, they waste all their pool exploring them back up again.

My money is on AMA simply because Havoc has too many t/m's and would lose a late age war if they get dropped.

Sci is overrated any ways...

Since when do you have to explore humans to core size baka?
07-07-2013, 15:46
baka

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Originally Posted by Zauper

Since when do you have to explore humans to core size baka?

You have 4 faeries.. you're telling me you don't need to use pool on them if they get dropped?

My first advice to any kd that wants Havoc to lose bank war and late age war is to take down their faeries so they waste all their pool growing it again and again and again...
07-07-2013, 15:49
Farore

At first glance this has the potential to be one of the best wars (maybe the best war) in the top 10 this age in terms of spectator interest and war tactics...but I don't think it will pan out :(
07-07-2013, 17:12
Elldallan

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Originally Posted by Godly

You should feel bad that you're horrible at this game.

I took their core vs our core for *one* blatantly lopsided comparison. Why would I compare one of our rogues to their core? Why would I compare their core to one of our faery mystics? I understand that you don't know what core means or equal comparisons, but you don't need come out of your mouth like that to one of the most respected people in utopia.

I don't need to skew anything. AMA knows the score and will not be engaging us. This is a device used by top kingdoms called "notice and run" where they plan on waving a second kingdom (vulture Haswell -- i.e. why they didn't want people to help Rage so Haswell could plump up) but they want to notice the first kingdom to get them to drop science and waste gold on a pump.

This is textbook utopia. Please leave the commentary and speculation to the pros and don't disrespect the people who can help you grow as a utopian and in your case as a human being.

You intentionally picked the most lopsided comparison you could find instead of comparing something sensible like core average bpa, hence you are guilty of selection bias. Even if I were to pick the crappiest of your sages for comparison it'd still be 180 vs 510 which is very different from the picture you tried to paint, hence my complaint.
Havoc has somewhere around 2-3x more sci on their core than AMA, not the 6x more you attempted to indicate.

Agreed it would be silly to compare cows, killers or TM's to core provinces because their growth pattern and therefore how they pump science is very different. On the other hand your human rogues represent 6 out of the 16 non bank or obviously TM provinces(Faeries and Halflings) and their growth pattern and how they whore is virtually identical to how core provinces grow, hence they can very much be compared as far as bpa goes, obviously their allocation will be different.
Their focus will clearly be more as attackers than as dedicated in contrast to your ha/ro's which makes them more core than not.

The "notice and run" thing sounds like a very bad idea, that's something that may work if you're on roughly equal terms which is exactly the case you're arguing against, so please make up your mind.
Leaving your backdoor open while hitting another KD... Seems like that would be an awesome way of setting yourself up for another 2v1 situation. Do you really think they liked it that much the last time? or that they're that confident in you not picking a fight with them?

Lets leave out the personal attacks shall we, I objected to how you blatantly selected data that favored the case you wanted to present, that's bad because it's essentially a lie by omission and something you should be called out on. You attacking my value as a human being is completely out of line, if you keep this up you're going to end up invoking Godwin soon.
07-07-2013, 17:40
idiocy

180 bpa is still pretty bad for a 2-3k acres province at this stage.
07-07-2013, 18:01
Elldallan

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Originally Posted by idiocy

180 bpa is still pretty bad for a 2-3k acres province at this stage.

You'll get no argument from me about that. I'm not trying to excuse AMA, I'm just objecting to the way Godly presents data and pointing out his deceptions for all to see.
07-07-2013, 18:07
idiocy

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Originally Posted by Elldallan

You'll get no argument from me about that. I'm not trying to excuse AMA, I'm just objecting to the way Godly presents data and pointing out his deceptions for all to see.

Heh, it's to be expected.
07-07-2013, 18:17
Zauper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elldallan

You intentionally picked the most lopsided comparison you could find instead of comparing something sensible like core average bpa, hence you are guilty of selection bias. Even if I were to pick the crappiest of your sages for comparison it'd still be 180 vs 510 which is very different from the picture you tried to paint, hence my complaint.
Havoc has somewhere around 2-3x more sci on their core than AMA, not the 6x more you attempted to indicate.

Agreed it would be silly to compare cows, killers or TM's to core provinces because their growth pattern and therefore how they pump science is very different. On the other hand your human rogues represent 6 out of the 16 non bank or obviously TM provinces(Faeries and Halflings) and their growth pattern and how they whore is virtually identical to how core provinces grow, hence they can very much be compared as far as bpa goes, obviously their allocation will be different.
Their focus will clearly be more as attackers than as dedicated in contrast to your ha/ro's which makes them more core than not.

The "notice and run" thing sounds like a very bad idea, that's something that may work if you're on roughly equal terms which is exactly the case you're arguing against, so please make up your mind.
Leaving your backdoor open while hitting another KD... Seems like that would be an awesome way of setting yourself up for another 2v1 situation. Do you really think they liked it that much the last time? or that they're that confident in you not picking a fight with them?

Lets leave out the personal attacks shall we, I objected to how you blatantly selected data that favored the case you wanted to present, that's bad because it's essentially a lie by omission and something you should be called out on. You attacking my value as a human being is completely out of line, if you keep this up you're going to end up invoking Godwin soon.

To hopefully finish this conversation, comparing our median science BPA's, it is ~210 to ~850 (admittedly I think we don't have ~4 SOS on them so it might shift +/- 20 or so). When you look at our sages, the median sage in our kd has 1k BPA. The sage BPA godly posted in our kd was not our top BPA, and the dwarf he posted was not their bottom BPA (which is ~160). On the other hand, you posted our bottom BPA rogue -- who happened to be the only province in our kd to have to more than double since the simians war.

In any case -- we have a substantial science advantage, but obviously science doesn't = autowin or everyone would just sit around and compare who could pump the fastest all age. It gives us an advantage, but they have a number of advantages as well.

Baka -- all top kds are running t/ms. How much pool have you spent on your elves + halflings? It's probably close to on par with our pool use.
07-07-2013, 18:22
gergnub

science or no science, its gonna be some interesting times. hopefully some war! :)
07-07-2013, 19:42
Soul_Hunter

After I read the thorough analysis by Godly I would ask Elit to wd our notice.
07-07-2013, 20:06
Spahrep

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Originally Posted by TimeKeeper

when did godly become "one of the most respected people in utopia"?

When he told us he was, just like he became utopias best instructor, when he told us he was. I mean how can you argue with that solid logic.
07-07-2013, 21:22
flogger

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Originally Posted by Zauper

Baka -- all top kds are running t/ms. How much pool have you spent on your elves + halflings? It's probably close to on par with our pool use.

400 per halfer, 1300 per elf
07-07-2013, 21:45
Realest

As part of the utopia audit team, vendetta, proteus, and I have verified Godly's numbers to be valid. You're welcome.
07-07-2013, 21:55
DM_Benjamin

I knew I set gergoth as sitter too early...

GLHF AMA, lets hope war eventuates
07-07-2013, 23:39
Godly

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soul_Hunter

After I read the thorough analysis by Godly I would ask Elit to wd our notice.

lol
08-07-2013, 00:43
Ghetto_King

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Originally Posted by Spahrep

When he told us he was, just like he became utopias best instructor, when he told us he was. I mean how can you argue with that solid logic.

+ 1
08-07-2013, 00:45
Conclave

It would be nice if we get some of these bold statements verified...
08-07-2013, 03:57
KuhaN

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Originally Posted by Realest

As part of the utopia audit team, vendetta, proteus, and I have verified Godly's numbers to be valid. You're welcome.

Wtf man i didn't make the cut?

saD.
08-07-2013, 04:07
Realest

I understand brown people are generally good at math, but we decided to proceed in another direction in regards to the final spot on the Big 4 committee.
08-07-2013, 04:16
Lestat

That's good because I know a girl whose 5 foot and 46KG that can deadlift over 100KG.
09-07-2013, 05:15
Realest

[00:44:08] <Realest> i look at the top 10 provs sorted by land on Elit's side
[00:44:13] <Realest> and i look at havoc
[00:44:20] <Realest> and i hope they realize that no amount of science will save them
09-07-2013, 05:50
Lestat

Do you really hope?
09-07-2013, 06:43
fawk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soul_Hunter

After I read the thorough analysis by Godly I would ask Elit to wd our notice.

True. I have also read godly's analysis.
AMA would be wise to apologize right now for even thinking they could war havoc, and retract the notice.
If Havoc are polite they will let AMA get away with only surrendering 50,000 acres in retribution, which is an offer AMA should take immediatly.
09-07-2013, 07:04
DM_Benjamin

[00:44:08] <Realest> i look at the top 10 provs sorted by land on Elit's side
[00:44:13] <Realest> and i look at havoc
[00:44:20] <Realest> and i hope they realize that no amount of science will save them

For log purposes
09-07-2013, 08:00
Cello

[06:44:10] <Realest> i look at the top 10 provs sorted by land on Elit's side
[06:44:14] <Realest> and i look at havoc
[06:44:20] <Realest> and i hope they realize that no amount of science will save them

I obviously just want to feel like part of the group and am dreading the upcoming farming :/
09-07-2013, 08:02
gergnub

i know im gonna get assraped :(
09-07-2013, 10:05
DM_Benjamin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX39J_YyKbs
09-07-2013, 11:28
clarey

Hi Elit, can you not hit me? I don't like being hit. thanks. xx
09-07-2013, 11:37
protector

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Originally Posted by clarey

Hi Elit, can you not hit me? I don't like being hit. thanks. xx

Your signature says you retired. You be lying to us, woman?! ;(
09-07-2013, 11:42
Proteus

Elit said he is unbeatable 1vs1 lets see if it holds true
09-07-2013, 12:23
Cello

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Originally Posted by prot

Your signature says you retired. You be lying to us, woman?! ;(

Everyone knows azns are deceitful creatures, prot. Clarey being no exception. I hear Realest promised her a place in his KD before she up and left for Havoc :(
09-07-2013, 12:26
gergnub

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Originally Posted by Cello

Everyone knows azns are deceitful creatures, prot. Clarey being no exception. I hear Realest promised her a place in his KD before she up and left for Havoc :(

I hear Realest promises a lot and delivers.. well..
09-07-2013, 12:35
protector

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Originally Posted by gergnub

I hear Realest promises a lot and delivers.. well..

Why are you all mad at him? Didn't he raise you guys as if you where his own?
09-07-2013, 13:02
gergnub

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Originally Posted by prot

Why are you all mad at him? Didn't he raise you guys as if you where his own?

mad? what are you smoking sir?
09-07-2013, 13:03
protector

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Originally Posted by gergnub

mad? what are you smoking sir?

Nothing at the moment!
09-07-2013, 13:45
MrCurious

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Originally Posted by prot

Nothing at the moment!

Theres your problem! Smoke damnit :)
09-07-2013, 13:59
Elit

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Originally Posted by Proteus

Elit said he is unbeatable 1vs1 lets see if it holds true

Thanks for your support bro but Havoc cow is clear favorite with 600 BPA lead...
09-07-2013, 14:11
clarey

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Originally Posted by Cello

Everyone knows azns are deceitful creatures, prot. Clarey being no exception. I hear Realest promised her a place in his KD before she up and left for Havoc :(

Partly correct. I was supposed to secure the shell. But before I knew it, all the players I'd recruited had up and left for Havoc since they were told that the kd was no more :p

AND I got waitlisted by Elit for AMA.... twice in a day. Got sad at being teased, and I was weak when someone came to hard sell Havoc to me (so it's really Elit's fault I'm in Havoc. lol).
09-07-2013, 14:47
gergnub

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Originally Posted by Elit

Thanks for your support bro but Havoc cow is clear favorite with 600 BPA lead...

but science is overrated..
09-07-2013, 19:22
Araqiel

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Originally Posted by gergnub

but science is overrated..

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