Didn't PB do the exact same thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Uhm hoi
Claiming that their notice could not be ignored and just waving into someone's war?
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Didn't PB do the exact same thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Uhm hoi
Claiming that their notice could not be ignored and just waving into someone's war?
They should win despite the fact that they can't beat us? Makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
speaking of can't beat somewhat, when's the last time two evenly matched kingdoms fought in the top and the side who had more time to prep science, got to pool more acres strategically, and started out 20k bigger to begin with and had no chained provinces lost a top fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Godly
What's the hurry, its YR9. Fight them sometime in YR10 for a crown you can be proud of, rather than starting another simians/sanc/hoh. I'm sure you can make good use of the extra 800 books per acre.
I understand that you want your ally to win, but you sound really stupid.
Did AMA let us fight you 2 rounds ago when we were going to farm you? Nope, they stepped in because it was in their best interest.
If I'm not doing whats in our best interest, I have no business playing this game.
We can be friends someplace else.
i dont know my utopia terminology,
but is farm out = losing a tight war?
anyway, pyro-ama will be a good war. that's all I know :p
Pyro leadership knows what's their strengths and weaknesses vs AMA, and we are not disillusional :)
-cJ
We will notice you and we will hit you as per our terms. We have made it very clear that was our intention. The alternative is you can work out a deal with us.
You may get to choose who you war but we equally get to choose who we notice, follow terms and commence hitting which I assure you we will do Elit.
So feel free to try and run, it won't get you far and we will still take your acres anyway.
if AMA had issue with hitting into wars, i doubt they would be having "ghetto troubles" right now.
just saying.
Also, why are people pretending that AMA vs. Pyro is somehow a priority over AMA vs. CR, or that AMA vs. Pyro is any less lopsided of a fight than AMA vs. CR?
huh? Are you making things up now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Godly
Nah not making things up although I may have forgotten the exact round... either 2 or 3 rounds ago.
You and I were going to fight in a week. AMA didn't like that because we had a strong advantage going in, and noticed us to block it. It was the same round where we WD'ed and wanted to fight them again.
The point is, kingdoms have to do what is in their best interest to win.
We could be nice and let them fight and possibly have one kingdom gain a lot of land and be larger than us and have an advantage going into our fight with them in Yr 10 or 11 w/e, but that's just dumb.
I mean AMA doesn't even consider our notice on Jan 1 to be valid lol. They're in complete delusion right now. They setup the CFs at the same time so they could "choose who they want to fight" but that's not how things work unfortunately.
We'll have to see what we want to do come April 1st, but what is known for certain is the notice is dropping Jan 1st.
CR hit AMA , AMA + pyro hit CR. ?
You're equating two kingdoms having notice at the same period and one saying we'll hit you no matter what you do to 2-3 ages ago when you had ceasefires with 2 kingdoms with a year difference in expiration, both of which wanted to fight you and the one who had the shorter ceasefire saying they didn't want to extend their ceasefire further? Really?
Was this also the time the kd with the later ceasefire gave you extra time to recover, you outgrew us in that timeframe, and you publicly said in the forums how nice and fair we were by giving you the extra week or two after your war ended to get ready? I'm fairly sure it was. I'll dig up the thread and post number later.
“Sometime they’ll give a war and nobody will come.”
you sure your not looking in the mirror?? ama has gained though wars which some of you were even surprised they won.. CR is the kd that has been farming ghettos all age
you don't deserve to crown you guys are a garbadge kd running garbadge provs.. zauper uesd to be the best leader either he is not running things anymore or elit is just that much better than all of you...
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Originally Posted by Godly
you sure your not looking in the mirror?? ama has gained though wars which some of you were even surprised they won.. CR is the kd that has been farming ghettos all age
you don't deserve to crown you guys are a garbadge kd running garbadge provs.. zauper uesd to be the best leader either he is not running things anymore or elit is just that much better than all of you...
garbage*Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunch
This thread is going to have everything:
Some shenanigans is going to go down..
Every past age between pyro, ama, cr, and for some reason pewpew, because they always get mentioned, will be brought up using saved conversations showing how the enemy backstabbed them years ago, giving reason for their current backstabbyness.
"****play" is going to be re-defined...again...
Someone's going to get screwed over and the war will have an obvious handicap toward one kingdom:
The winner won't care they won a handicapped war
The loser will cry they were handicapped to try and save their name, and that the war cannot measure the skill of the two kingdoms because of said handicap
The community will split and side with both the winners and losers yelling at each other over the fact that (is it/is not) a measurable war.
With all these topics, combined with whatever war thread is created for the two warring parties, ends up being less than 50 pages of forums... I will be disappointed.
*grabs popcorn*
You do realize humans are capable of reading through most errors in words, and that grammar police are not necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by wickedfail
This is gonna be interesting
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Originally Posted by wickedfail
yes but where is the fun in that sweet pea?
sucks to be AMA
Sucks for CR actually...Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ NA
They had a shot to fight AMA on equal size and terms for #1 and use their skill and pump.time advantage to good use but instead chose to farm Simians for 17k acres forcing AMA to reconsider their Strategy.
They can get the 10-15k acres they will pry out of AMA but they have effectively removed themselves from a possible war with AMA for much more acres.
Call it greedy or lack of confidence or tactical strategy or whatever reason they will give but a I see it as a mistake of a land whore...and I've seen many this age already
I'd love to see AMA finishing the perfect age, beating all other opponents. They probably wont get a chance to war Pyro though. A kingdom that does not do whatever it takes does not belong in the top. CR play to win, not to be nice. Notice is given, there's nothing to discuss.
AMA should just man up and war CR
There has been a lot of trolling in this thread, but this one got me to chuckle.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJuan
AMA also could have fought Pyro on even size, but decided to increase their acres to, because, holy ****, being bigger going into a war is usually better.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJuan
Why is AMA positioning themselves to have a size advantage over Pyro when their CF expires and then aiming to force a war on them a good thing but somehow CR positioning themselves to have a size advantage over AMA when their CF expires and force a war on them is a bad thing?
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meep
Either AMA could war CR on even terms, if plans changed (as when CR grew for advantage) they had an optional backup plan in Pyro. The question remains, what is Pyro's backup plan when their potential war target grew? Who do they run to for a war? PewPew? I think AMA's top level play over Pyro's is paying off here. Having plan B is important, but I don't see Pyro having a backup plan other than hoping to outgrow AMA in the next few days and close the land gap.
Can't agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Minty
Furthermore, statements from AMA such as "you can notice us after the pyro war" is just about the most absurd thing that one can read from a top kingdom's monarch. They actually believe that since they're noticing pyro the same time we notice them, our notice is void. Seriously..? Not even Don Proteus can spin this one.
Be sure to include the part where you threatened to dealbreak+double them with AMA if they did not agree to war you instead of having their intended round 2 with AMA. Yes, giving them time to prep was very nice of you...Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
What if the CR engagement of AMA was Pyros backup plan?Quote:
Originally Posted by wickedfail
I tend to do that when people double hostile my friends in a lame excuse of trying to crown. Hey, this is an interesting thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzerland
Curious as to what the deal was after last age though, Elit implies more things were said than just a farmout and a pre-age YR9 CF. What were they?
Havoc and Sanctuary double hostile AMA age before it and its cost us crown. Next age AMA won in very clear 1vs1 war vs havoc and after war ended munk come to me and we talked for cf. He say his kd want cf with us but need to talk with zauper. 24h later zauer poped online and he confirm we will cf but he need to set some details. 24h later he accident told his kd decide no cf and its left us with 48h to prepare for round 2. Sorry but after last age and with this kind vile diplomation i was perfect fine GB them if they didn't keep his promise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzerland
This age. last 4-5 days cello and zauper talked about extend cf and discus was about yr 10 or 11 because pyro told long ago they want to war ama and we told we will war. So last day i asked cello what is deal and he told me "havoc accepted to extend cf but deal is not finalized". I pmed zauper and asked him why he stall again when he know i don't like and don't accept this kind diplo. He told me he want to cf us but N00BS in his kd are against it and plan to double hostile us. He don't agree with it and told his kd he will leave if they insist this and his "friends" told him he can leave but they will double hostile us.
[22:07] <zapalt> i tell them i will quit if that's what they want to do
[22:07] <zapalt> and they still think it's ok
[22:07] <Elit> lol
[22:07] <Elit> they choice notice us over you?
[22:07] <Elit> i cant believe it
[22:07] <Elit> you are supposed to be in kd with frends
[22:07] <zapalt> i'm working on it :P
[22:08] <zapalt> their ethics are just completely different
[05:36] <zapalt> k, sorry bud. I'm abandoning when I get home from work tomorrow, they won't extend unless you're willing to give them something.
[05:42] <Elit> stupid ppl
p.s Zauper was smart enough to value my stay away from CR last 3 ages and leave you and BB have fair 1vs1 run. Its why we both had keep fair deals and play . With n00bs take over decision and build grudge with me and bb same time its will result you disband.
Why would they extend CF for free?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Why *should* they extend CF for free, while you jump into another war you'll probably win and end up at a massive advantage over them as a result of?
Your own 'ethics' are completely self-involved and ****ed and it shows every single age. And that's fine since everyone should be playing for their own KDs best interests. But get off your high horse. Jesus.
See! Im glad I didn't offend anyone :DQuote:
Originally Posted by topsy's revenge
I wasn't even trying to troll...I just think that pretty much the ball is in AMA's corner now that the notice was given after the farm.
Not hating on it...but I find it funny that CR pokes fun at AMA by acting like a war is inevitable when in fact they made it much less appeasing for them to war you when Pyro is now even closer to their size.
You may get your inevitable conflict and acres but it wont be enough compared to what could have been if CR would have taken a bigger risk early for a later greater reward.
Can anyone explain to me why what we're doing is wrong? Elit made a cf notice full well knowing both expire at the same time. This can clearly create a problematic situation. We're not doing anything wrong, we're sending our notice when able. We know it's the same time as another kd, but we can't do anything about that. Elit set that up. Now this gives the ability for ama and pyro to re-negoiate thier cf deal/notice and go to war early. But last age, elit flamed the crap out of parth/ED when they did exactly that. AMA was going to notice ED and they had a CF with pew that would end after AMA and ED notice happened.
Ed negotiated with pewpew to end thier CF early and war to avoid AMA. What did AMA do? Hit them in war?
Like I get it, pyro wants to war AMA because that's how they see thier only chance to crown, to take that small chance at beating AMA, out growing us, and somehow beating us in an immediate after war.
I get it that AMA wants to war pyro as they're a weaker opponent and they can get thier cows big and get land to outgrow us if they win. I see all of those viewpoints. But how is it our bad to give notice when we can, and trying to take advante of that? I don't get it. This is a sticky ****ing situation and that sucks, I wish elit didn't have two CFs ending at the exact time and this was much more clean than it was. But what would someone have us do in our situation? I ask you elit, what would you have us do? 2 ages ago you had flogger(maybe you didn't request it) literally threaten us that if we B2B war ama he would 2v1 us.
I don't understand what you want? We're willing to do diplo as far as I'm aware(I'm not leadership) and let you two war, but you want a free CF. How can we give that? Like, you are the most scariest kd in the game. I've told you I apologised for causing that 2v1 with sanc ages ago. I feel we we're both at fault, but I feel my decision to hit you after that sanc thing was a **** up. I've made amends with you, that being put aside, how do you logic us giving you a free CF?
I don't know, I used to think of you as an angry illogical asshole. These past couple of ages I've gained repsect for you, so much so that I've lost all animosity I once held for you, but I don't understand your stance on this subject. Can you please explain it to me?
I know what happened in that situation and in the ages following it. If you recall, I was defending AMA in the sanc+havoc vs AMA ordeal then, too. As a reminder, the official stance (from Elit at least, since I don't specifically recall flogger stating this), is that the BB+AMA threatened double+forced war on Havoc was unrelated to the double from Havoc with Sanc the age prior and that AMA did not accept that as compensation or being "even". If your official stance is that one is not related to the other, why are you trying to link them now?
It is curious that Elit hinted at more of a deal from last age. I'm curious what it may entail that makes AMA feel entitled in their current situation.
Without that detail, I see 0 logical reason that CR is not allowed to notice AMA and 0 logical reason that CR should accept a CF extension without compensation. Intention to notice does not invalidate another notice. That is really the only stance I have on this.
I don't think you guys are doing any wrong....and I agree with Ezzerland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick_mi
I just personally think CR made it harder for themselves to find a war with AMA now which is what I assume is their desired outcome...but on the other hand CR made it easier for them to get a free wave instead.
We tried to negotiate.
If they keep coming out with a deal similar to "Just Give Us The Crown" kind of deal and not going to move, then we just have to make our best move. Well i dont blame them, they propose based on thier best interest.
As far as my concern, we dont create this situation. we need to make our choice based on our interest too. This is a 25 players game. The whole kd has played so well until now. We need to responsible to our players too.
Quite wrong considering their CF agreement states a CF till Jan1 YR9, after that notice can be given. If you're a fusspot like Havoc has been the past few ages, you'd classify it as a dealbreak. Actually, if it was AMA posting they would notice Havoc on Jan 1st, you would have Godly being mad all over this place saying over a hundred times that it's a dealbreak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Minty
Desperate needs lead to desperate deeds.
Protector -- we've not said notice is given -- we're just warning that we will? Shrug -- dunno who minty is.Quote:
Originally Posted by munk
You're noticing someone you're going to notice them, basically the same thing as a notice. And Godly also quoted that post and replied "Can't agree more" to itQuote:
Originally Posted by munk
Looks to me the only reason this gets posted now instead of when you notice them, is to justify hitting AMA in whatever relations they are.