one of my crew made the app!

Understood, I am staying off topic asking questions about what Munk's extension does.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 2Utopian

Understood, I am staying off topic asking questions about what Munk's extension does.

---

No problem at all. But I agree with you; I feel it is too close to the line of acceptable/unacceptable.

I see it as no different then doing something like scripting fog casts way back when that was outlawed. Removing human reaction times / input is a bad thing imo.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 2Utopian

I see it as no different then doing something like scripting fog casts way back when that was outlawed. Removing human reaction times / input is a bad thing imo.

---

It doesn't do that (auto-fill in when you load the page). You have to push a button to have it fill-in the troops. The rule is that you can't remove clicks, so you can't do things like the op hammer. (i.e. tog 10x, push once; NM 15x, push once)

Adding speed and or accuracy to hits / ops programmatically should be cheating. If this is deemed ok or not by the powers that be is above my pay grade.

edit:

Technically you are removing clicks as sending a hit would most often take multiple inputs prior to pressing attack, not just 1 click.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 2Utopian

Adding speed to hits / ops programmatically should be cheating. If this is deemed ok or not by the powers that be is above my pay grade.

---

Agreed!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 2Utopian

Adding speed to hits / ops programmatically should be cheating. If this is deemed ok or not by the powers that be is above my pay grade.

---

Bishop is quite aware of it.

Think about it practically for a second:
I load a page, input my troops.
Get a sot, has defense changed? No->change tab, press button.

It doesn't make that process any faster, which is the situation you're getting at. So it doesn't even do what you seem to think it does?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 2Utopian

Adding speed and or accuracy to hits / ops programmatically should be cheating. If this is deemed ok or not by the powers that be is above my pay grade.

---

Was it cheating when Angel was created and greatly reduced the amount of time it took people to figure out how much to send?

Rule of thumb:
Tools that help you play better - ok
Tools that help you play superhuman - not ok

I fully understand all that. My opinion is this falls in the superhuman category. It's not up to me to decide and you are free to your own opinion.

edit:

You tell me whats faster:
I load a page, input my troops.
Get a sot, has defense changed? No->change tab, press button.

or

I press a button.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 2Utopian

I fully understand all that. My opinion is this falls in the superhuman category. It's not up to me to decide and you are free to your own opinion.

edit:

You tell me whats faster:
I load a page, input my troops.
Get a sot, has defense changed? No->change tab, press button.

or

I press a button.

---

Pressing a button doesn't prevent someone from having cast mp/etc?

Or take a sot...

The issue we are discussing is artificially reducing the window of opportunity to cast mp/etc. My stance is you are doing just that.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 2Utopian

The issue we are discussing is artificially reducing the window of opportunity to cast mp/etc. My stance is you are doing just that.

---

How does it reduce the window of opportunity more than what I described a moment ago?

The window of opportunity immediately follows intel, so people should always intel twice -- once to setup the hit (using munkbot or not), and once after the hit is prepped to validate that def hasn't changed.

People using munkbot bounce a significant number of hits from solaid or mp etc

Let's get back on topic. This thread isn't about munkbot.

If nothing else at all you are online longer pre-hit. I see you log and have all my tabs refreshing in preparation. This tool also makes it possible for your whole kd to perform the equivalent of best practices on every single hit. I would bet that wouldn't happen without it.

Additionally you are artificially limiting bounces due to human error where someone inputs something incorrectly. Even in a top kd I would wager this happened more frequently before you had a script entering your troops, even if it was only 1 in 1000.

My opinion stands.

edit:

reply was crafted before I saw your post. my bad..

Holy tangents batman!

Good job on the app, I would like to test before paying.. I assume many is in same mindset as me on that, you don't pay for your food in a restaurant before after the meal (or at least shouldn't)..

As for munkbot I've seen it at work and all its details, and though it's not a "script" in eyes of Bishop as I asked, it still clearly gives an unfair advantage to non - users.

You people are silly !
There have been cheats as you call it as soon as this game went online.
Which I have used most of them.
$1.99 not bad if your really into the game good for you you deserve it lots of work involved.
It may not be for everyone idk if I'll try it or not we will see
Thanks for your efferts
Grow up people some of you are so smart your stuipid

The last remark was supposed to be for a few of my friends only they know who there are .. and will be ok with those last remarks

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 2Utopian

If nothing else at all you are online longer pre-hit. I see you log and have all my tabs refreshing in preparation. This tool also makes it possible for your whole kd to perform the equivalent of best practices on every single hit. I would bet that wouldn't happen without it.

Additionally you are artificially limiting bounces due to human error where someone inputs something incorrectly. Even in a top kd I would wager this happened more frequently before you had a script entering your troops, even if it was only 1 in 1000.

My opinion stands.

edit:

reply was crafted before I saw your post. my bad..

---

I find your view fascinating.

The difference between us is that I consider these tools as handicapping in golf. In other words, I like playing Utopia on difficulty; matching blades with fully loaded, organized, bot savvy kingdoms with highest order com systems.

I'm in a much slower environment operationally so my decisions have a degree of windage dialed in. The game played raw with no bot, no external chat, and my preference to live and die by retal is exciting business.

Beyond my first statement, I'm well aware of the strengths implied and not implied by bot usage. There is an intrinsic migration to less stealth use via tools. That's part of the difficulty I'm donning; without intel storage the game is tough in a good way for me.

I won't question the character of someone trying to help the game. It's the players choice to spend money, or not. I choose not, but only for my own competitive zeal.

Why i have to pay?

You don't have to pay.

@ all disgruntled. Forum has had b***ch post age after age for an app. Some guy makes one and players proceed to be misery monks.

Now go pray to your wooden troll and set your contrarianism on the altar.

I remeber the conversation i had with Bishop and others on this forum a few ages back. We were discussing app development.
Bishop said it would cost 50k$ per plattform. I laughed about it ofc and here we are today... Just saying.
If devs cared or wanted to try and grow this game they had done it all ready by the help of the community.

The app itself needs the devs help else its better to just code a new "utopia" from ground up.
Good work thus far tho!

Consider making it free for the feedback and help. Rewards come much later.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by joshmg

I'm happy to have a conversation with the Utopia-devs if they're interested! It'd be cool to talk with them, actually. Like I said, I've played this game on and off since I was a kid, and the point of this app isn't to scrape money from the Utopia community. If the Utopia-devs don't like the situation of the app (which at the moment, is pure speculation of a few, and not evidenced by anything), then I'm absolutely willing to have a conversation with them, and do what's best for the community.

I'm disappointed that the community's initial response is borderline hostile. I'm surprised that you few chose copyright as your primary concern, instead of letting that kind of stuff be handled by the parties whose concern it actually is (Utopia's Dev's and mine). Regarding my perspective on copyright, the app integrates with utopia similarly to how uMunk does, and they've not taken issue with that, so I don't think there's an issue. Furthermore, the Utopia-devs have had discussions about apps interfacing with utopia on these very forums, and have not expressed any discontent with the concept. I also saw (nor see currently) anything in their rules^1 that forbids any actions that the app performs. Finally, and most importantly, their decisions are their own, and Utopia is theirs; I'm happy to comply with their needs. In my mind, I owe them respect and gratitude for maintaining a game for over 10 years; I do not wish to disrespect of subvert their wishes.

You're welcome to use the app, and you're also welcome to pretend it doesn't exist. I was hoping to do some good for you guys.

^1 - wiki.utopia-game.com/index.php?title=Game_Rules

---

The email address is utopiasupport@utopia-game.com. If you'd like to open a dialogue via mail, PM or phone you are more than welcome. As it stands I am unable to allow discussion of this app without direct approval from the devs so all and any discussion of this app needs to stop until i get word back from them, something i assume will be delayed until you speak to them.

edit: Please remember that you should not recreate a thread about a closed topic. If people would like to create a general thread about apps etc thats fine but discussion/linking back to here or posting the app url.

Discussions away! The is not official though.

App is now free and supports the games ads.

Thanks, Bishop.

Also, I'm happy we talked. And thanks for opening up discussion again.

Also, I need one more post to post a new thread. So...

All right, you primitive screw-heads, listen up! See this? This... is my boomstick! - [continuing nonchalantly] - It's a twelve-gauge, double-barreled Remington. S-Mart's top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about $109.95. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt-blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right... shop smart: shop S-Mart... You got that?

Can I just ask a question for clarity about what the app actually does:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by joshmg

Logging in and doing basic tasks on a phone is really daunting, so this is aimed to help with a lot of that--it doesn't do everything, but it does most of the things you do during the day while you're at work or unable to get to a desktop.

---

This kind of sounds like automation? Doing something for you that you can't otherwise do because you're at work or something... I assume this is just a miscommunication but what is meant by this?

No, it doesn't do any automation (well, except maybe login when you open it). What I meant is it allows you to quickly do the things that you need to do during the day: i.e. making sure spells don't expire. It doesn't (currently) let you do the things that you do less frequently, like send aid, or send out an exploration expedition.

joshmg, IoS or gtfo

Also fwiw, if there was an IoS version I would happily pay for the app. Using Utopia on an iphone is a pain in the ass

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DM_Benjamin

joshmg, IoS or gtfo

Also fwiw, if there was an IoS version I would happily pay for the app. Using Utopia on an iphone is a pain in the ass

---

First mistake is having an iPhone. Second mistake Apple.... I understand the niche Apple falls into being the non tech savvy demographic but you're better than that Ben.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Band of Horses

First mistake is having an iPhone. Second mistake Apple....

---

rekt qft

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Band of Horses

First mistake is having an iPhone. Second mistake Apple.... I understand the niche Apple falls into being the non tech savvy demographic but you're better than that Ben.

---

I'm a big fan of IOS over Android and I think the core of IOS is more powerful. IOS is not necessarily for the less tech savvy.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by khronosschoty

I'm a big fan of IOS over Android and I think the core of IOS is more powerful. IOS is not necessarily for the less tech savvy.

---

Why do you THINK that?
Here is a sample audience for you: all my IT guys have androids, all my VPs (50+ yr olds) have iPhones.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by khronosschoty

I'm a big fan of IOS over Android and I think the core of IOS is more powerful. IOS is not necessarily for the less tech savvy.

---

The less tech savvy or those concerned with percieved image and flashy marketing.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bishop

The less tech savvy or those concerned with percieved image and flashy marketing.

---

Or those who like BSD. I'm a big fan of Slackware linux for the same reason I'm a fan of IOS, in the case of Slackware its because its linux that attempts to be the most Unix like, and in the case of IOS its because it is BSD at its core, more or less. If they had a Slackware OS for phone polished etc I'd favor that but there is not one and I'm less a fan of the Android concept than I am of the IOS.

As far as perceived image, at least in my case, I think if I went with perceived image I'd be forced to favor Android in this case, since IOS users are perceived in this way, the way you and others have shared. In 2010 I decided to give Apple a try and get a Macbook, seeing it as BSD with full support, and while I was disappointed in a number of ways I was more or less happy with it. Since then I've become less and less happy with it and my next computer will just be laptop I select to run Slackware. I think its noteworthy to share this little bit of extra I have shared, and also to add that since 2010 OS X (the OS that runs on Macbook's etc) has dropped many of the things that lured me to try OS X as a BSD with full support.

I have no idea about the talk, but I get the impression.
I have no Android experience.
All I can say is Utopia is easily played on my iPad. - I've got a backup tablet; a Surface 2. The Surface is nice at leisure, but the iPad is better for instinctive ergo Utopian conflict.

Let's put it this way; the iPad let's me play Utopia at a pleasurable and competitive level. I live my life away from plugs and wires or tiny screens that drop options under your fingers you regret. It's also perfectly balanced to strike a smug conversationalist in the temple with a wide graceful motion(it's a cigar shop thing).

This is the wealth of my knowledge.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Band of Horses

Why do you THINK that?
Here is a sample audience for you: all my IT guys have androids, all my VPs (50+ yr olds) have iPhones.

---

My current company, which is developer heavy, is 100% apple. iPhone, apple computers, etc.
My last company, all of the IT and helpdesk team used iPhones.
Guy I know that's a principal software developer at Amazon uses an iPhone. It's not because he's not tech savvy, or because he cares about his image (he wears dumbass shirts regularly to meetings with execs).

Anecdotes are anecdotal.

If you have a desire to tinker with the OS and make significant changes, Android is a better OS for you. Not every in IT (or that is tech savvy) has a need to do that. My personal experience has found that iOS has had better battery life and generally worked better for me with less tinkering required. I do enough other things that I don't need my phone to also be a project.