actually its been the bottom that has been the bullies as of late, since absent the entire top CF'ing each other there's little that can be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by lampost
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actually its been the bottom that has been the bullies as of late, since absent the entire top CF'ing each other there's little that can be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by lampost
You ignore(d?) our msgs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Persain
That said -- we're running 15-20% WT kd-wide and still see significant stealing.
lol soooo much crying.
The sales on tissue boxes must be through the roof.
Your advice is pretty bad. Training thieves won't keep dedicated t/ms out, WTs will only slow the loss rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smitty87
FGing banks? That's kinda dumb -- the kds only raze when they have no imminent conflict. Yeah, I had 100M FG'ed off my prov yesterday. I can generate that in under 24h, who cares? Same issue with FB. and of course, you know... WPA. The top tends to have much better WPA than the bottom.
For example, the kd we hit, we're core-core landlusting with 50% success since they gave us unfriendly. So we're pretty happy with that.
Yea, until we raze your kd, right? I know where you play. You should be glad we honor relations. Unlike your kd. Want me to play it your way and raze you into hostile/war?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kandy
Dont be greedy and annoying and you wont have trouble. Simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by lampost
Than why the fuss about loosing lot less in the first place ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zauper
This entire situation is hypocritical. Gold is a resource competed for, just like land. What is the difference between someone robbing your provs and your core randoming for land ? If anything top kd's are notorious for "randoming" into hostiles to further lower chances of retals.
It is not inherently wrong to steal from top kd's, just like its not wrong for you to punish ppl for doing so. What is wrong is this stupid campaign going on currently to defame stealing as something wrong. Top kd's are pushing for agenda to shut down aspect of play that does not suit their own selfish interests and dont sit well with their egos.
Whats next step in this glorious crusade ? "Retal us and get razed" campaign ?
Ppl talking about quitting are right, you are organizing to deny them right to play the game, its natural they feel that way.
You are all acting like a bunch of asses, misplaced righteousness in this thread is reaching nausea levels.
i have none from u guys i dont think :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Zauper
this thread is prolly one of the dumbest ever created .
you are allowed to steal from anyone in the game , as long as you accept the consequences also big kds should accept the consequences of the razes aswell ( like razing in wars etc ...grudges tend to work both ways) .
Its a war game afterall
100M off a prov with 400M is different than 25M off a prov with 30, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by citadela01
It sure is!Quote:
This entire situation is hypocritical. Gold is a resource competed for, just like land.
Functionally? None. The difference is that, much like how you can retal if we random you for land, we can kill your t/m for robbing us.Quote:
What is the difference between someone robbing your provs and your core randoming for land ?
If you say so. I'd say war kds are notorious for robbing/hitting out of their "hostiles" while hiding behind tags to attempt to avoid retals/randoms.Quote:
If anything top kd's are notorious for "randoming" into hostiles to further lower chances of retals.
Stealing is fine, but you have to be willing to accept the consequences of it. People don't seem to be willing to accept the consequences.Quote:
It is not inherently wrong to steal from top kd's, just like its not wrong for you to punish ppl for doing so. What is wrong is this stupid campaign going on currently to defame stealing as something wrong.
People certainly have razed provs that retal them before, it's a strategy. Not one that I think is useful, but it's a thing people do.Quote:
Top kd's are pushing for agenda to shut down aspect of play that does not suit their own selfish interests and dont sit well with their egos.
Whats next step in this glorious crusade ? "Retal us and get razed" campaign ?
kay.Quote:
Ppl talking about quitting are right, you are organizing to deny them right to play the game, its natural they feel that way.
You are all acting like a bunch of asses, misplaced righteousness in this thread is reaching nausea levels.
The server should just unite next age and systematically RK these few "top" kds one by one over and over as a "consequence" for their actions, problem solved. Strength in numbers oop if they push a war button to "hide" continue razing :D Sounds entertaining vs the current state of stale affairs. We could pick one as an example and ruin their entire age pretty easily. Let it be known if they want the right to grow and compete they must play nice or take a 3 month vacation.
LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by citadela01
Crybaby.
They're denying you the right to their gold and warning you in advance that if you try to take it, you will be killed.
Oh the irony is completely lost on you, isn't it chrystal?
You as someone who spent an entire age just FSU and pissing people off being a total lamer. Now *****ing that people are robbing him in his top whoring KD.
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Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace
You say it but you dont act like it. This entire campaign with 5 of top 7 kd's tagged and acting against ghettos stealing in unison is wrong thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zauper
If you wanted to punish some thieves you could have just rk'ed some of them silently w/o making a show of it.
This is not done to punish thieves, it is done to dissuade others from doing the same in the future.
You can call it legitimate strategy, I see it as bullying and polluting the enviroment.
Problem is entire top is ganging up with common goal to further isolate bubble they play in, its not enough you artificially create host of advantages via cf's you are looking to jointly intimidate ghetto kd's from any and all actions against you.
Rather ironic considering how often you all reach out to said ghettos with public notices announcing gc hunting season when it suits you.
This entire campaign is wrong thing to do.
They don't want a bubble where the two sides don't interact at all, they want active transport where resources only flow one direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by citadela01
Having the Ability to even Kill a province OOW instead of actually being able to Kill a Province in WAR is F***ing the stupidest game mechanic ever created.... BISHOP you should be ashamed of yourself to allow bullying in such a Social setting! I am ashamed to be even witnessing this kind of action! F**K all of you who think this is right! If you ban me for this MR Bishop thats fine bro I just hope you can actually sleep at night knowing you are responsible for this mess!
I'm not sure I understand what is going on in this thread... If a robs a kingdom, the kingdom that has been robbed, it has a right to defend its self, no?
So you think Defending ones self from say one learn attack warrants a Province kill as defending themselves?????? Are you that stupid bro?
as someone with over 30 mod tpa, I don't see a problem here. No one has tried to steal from me in a long time since they generally need between 5 and 20 chances just to get my intel. I don't see what you are all whining about. I mean, just the other day, I was robbing someone who was 260% my NW and I stole 8.5M gc off him and it was costly, I lost 1.5k thieves. So you see, there is risk/reward involved! COME ON!
Ofc it does, we can raze whoever we want, whenever we want for whatever reason we want!Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximus778
geez insult other players and what kind of answer are u expecting...
This is the issue of kds repeatedly robbing top kds, ignoring diplo messages and now when they are on recieving end now they cry on forum.
You can raze kill OOW because the games broken mechanics allows it thats all you dumb F**K
Don't blame the thread. This is a good thing.
I agree with Sheister which is something I never do, ;-)
In all honesty, I think everyone is playing their cards right ~
The top has great spin and it is being robbed
The bottom is playing the victim card and I'm impressed with the rabble rousing
It's not bullying if you fight back, just a monumental challenge.
I'm an honest small. I almost steal from no one oow, and never random unless instructed.
I do enjoy retal and hard retal vs certain particulars.
I think I have a good relationship with a few tops: don't take my acres, let your proxy do it.
Because in the end it's the fight I wanted, not to interfere with crown endeavors.
You always been able, refer to it as "broken mechanics" is stupid since its not broken its intended feature. But I your inability to discuss or create coherent arguments makes all replies pointless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximus778
This thread is glorious.
After 12 razes you get razed for 15 acre per raze. So taking you from 1500 to 0 would take 100 razes. Is that broken? Yea it is! Should be like 25 maybe! ;pQuote:
Originally Posted by Maximus778
And even then it is no guarantee!Quote:
Originally Posted by StratOcastle
Ok, I feel bad for everyone. Does that make me an elitist ;-) ?Quote:
Originally Posted by makeo
Once, when I joined Villains as a new province, I was ordered to get to 1200 acres by the weekend. I proceeded to check for 120 hours of inactivity and messaging kingdoms asking if it was ok to random.
Agree with citadel...
a) We're currently being double hostiled by pyro and CR.. apparently because two of our provs learned one of CR's prov. Pyro then joined in for some b.s. reason (despite both kds being 3x our size, pyro feels the need to join in only after both CR and BB razed us). Good effort i must say - didnt know the top kds needed to double hostile a ghetto.
b) Do the top kds feel like they have the right to take all resources from ghettos, without any retals? Or they feel ghettos cant random them first?
c) you think you can sit on 20% draft with 40 million gc stock is a winning strategy in a competitive game? Sorry, this is not sim city, and any idiot can see that its going to get stolen. Even most of the noobs in my ghetto know not to keep huge stashs lying around. Yet somehow when you play at the top the rules change? sorry, no, there are maybe 150 players that want to play by your rules, and 3000 in the ghettos that understand that big gold stash with little theives and WT means its going to get stolen
People mention risk reward. Yes. There may be a reward for sitting on low draft and building stacks up. but theres also a risk. i.e. it can get stolen.
Raze killing as a retal mechanism is just overkill. Your ruining the game for an entire kd.
There is also risk hitting better kingdoms than your own. If you cant stand the consequense dont hit the kingdom.Quote:
People mention risk reward. Yes. There may be a reward for sitting on low draft and building stacks up. but theres also a risk. i.e. it can get stolen.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
If you're the kd who were hitting you have been robbing us for 6 weeks straight and your monarch or steward responded to our cf requests by saying no. We aren't trying to ruin the game for anyone, your actions were ruining ours the first few months of the game, so we ruin the last few months of yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkl1ght
If you don't like the situation you can:
a: stop robbing us
b: keep robbing us and get raze killed
It's not like we are initiating the drama, we are merely finishing it
fawk i was not crying about some stolen gc. i was coming in before the QQ started about us killing off a prov or two for stealing. also as a FSU kingdom we did horribly. i like us playing for reaql much better.
hey hey hey! All they want is free gold for the free acres we took from them earlier! Thats fair right??!
Do ask your KD mates how many of them hit into pyro either as trad marches/learns or just stole gc in the past few weeks. A CF was sent by Pyro which was blatantly declined by you folks.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkl1ght
As for the double hostile on a ghetto, think of it more as a delayed response. It would have happened eventually. Sure, you may play the game by stealing resources and whatnot but when a CF is sent out of good faith you shouldn't insult the senders. Well, I suppose you can, but see how that turned out?
and stealing gc is a risk, the risk is you get razed. If your entire kd is geting upset and its ruining the experience then get the provs who stole to STOP. My kd is in the war tier and we've pked someone for learning us 5-6 times....at least your guys got gc first and benefited quite highly.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkl1ght
Similarly all these top kds are only retaling the people who dont have monarchs willing to get their kd to stop stealing.....we steal, u threaten we say sure if u cf us. Both kds cf u lose out on gc they lose out on bottom feeding you.
a kd could x4 on all 25 people and do that in 1 wave. However u gota drop their def to what 50-60k to do that? Takes a good day of razing to do if its a high def feary/elf stealing and in the mean time a coordinated kd can easily put 2k acres into exploring+ doing LL's +arms to retrain def and GC being stolen for free training.Quote:
Originally Posted by protector
Much harder to do if your razing an organized kd who actively tries to stop you than it is for a war kd to pk some small attacker in an actual gheto who starts on 40k def and is pestering them with learns.
Delayed response? I'll be sure to use that one next time i hit into someones active hostile...
In fact all the gc we stole from you was a delayed response from when you hit us 6 ages ago!
As for ignoring your CF request - why is that rude? you sent a no terms CF request, designed to stop us from stealing at a time which was inconvenient for you. Last time we gave a top kd (BB) a no terms CF it backfired spectacularly. As for randoming/learning pyro, we probably made 2 or 3 land grabs/learns on you the whole age. You have made a similar amount of randoms into our kd.
I cant speak for every msg my kdmates may have sent you, but i think i personally have sent you two msgs the whole age. And neither of them were rude. In fact one of them was offering you guys acres in exchange for science, which you refused (which is fortunate for us i guess, considering your science is terrible). So stop spewing b.s.
So yeh, good for you pyro. keep razing a 22 man kd 1/3rd ur size. Unfortunately, no amount of razes will improve your war record
See, we're halfway to finding me a home kingdom.
If it was retal I can get with that. I simply don't advocate unchecked aggression. Not because I disapprove, but because the game is more challenging. I could bend a little if it's goal oriented. I'm not searching for crowns but I could back the idea.
Somehow we are slowly working toward The Virtual Kingdom...
The ususl qq i see, the growth as expected cant take someone stealing a bit of gc while they remake it in 5 ticks, but when they send 2 hits in on UBs on KDs tagged hostile its okay, totally shifting the tactical approach in an equal war and in some cases removing the only advantage a KD might have to win, when pm'd about it, its the usual "tough, but many fake tag", or "didnt want to spend stealth taking sn, my apologies".
Last few ages while i was leading, i ordered hits on growth KDs with 20k defense on 2500acres, there was a lot of forum qq and messages sent by allies and others to threaten you to stop.... CF or ELSE, but if we as a war tier got to accept being "randomed", growth KDs should also accept that when you sit on huge amount of gc, they will be targetted, threatening with razes or PK, will quickly ruin the game, as its a clear overreaction.. It would be like a growth randoming for a few acres and the respond is razing into growth KDs hostiles/wars.
Once again all i see, is as Cita pointed out, some spoilt nerds unable to handle that others are poking holes in the bubble they created by intimidation and removing their own only challenges to as late as possible in the age so they can push everyone else around for 2 and a half month well knowing they wont get touched by anyone they cant threaten or "beat up" if they have to.
When im back playing/leading next age again, ill be doing the exact same thing ive done last 6/7 ages if i see a growth sitting on no def/tpa, im not going to let some primadonna threaten me to not play the game as its meant to...
Here's the thing guys, it's really simple. Don't steal from someone who has the ability to annihilate every last member of your KD unless that's a risk you're willing to run. Was the 2m gc worth it? Every time you steal from a considerably larger KD, ask yourself that. If the answer is no, then look for a different KD to steal from.