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what is the broken deal? reading so far into thread, only logs presented is about an unfinished deal - what is the finalized one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithras
no offense, but so far you seem like a 5 year old girl, screaming around while ears closed.. perhaps start putting some actual reasoning, so a discussion can be made..
Doesn't work like that sweetheart. I need you to dealbreak first before I give everyone the logs. Not that it really matters but we need to keep this thread alive and tensions mounting. We are only on page 3. We need so much more.
My appologies. I thought that approach was mandatory on these boards. I'll strive to improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN
But Mithras.. Your topic states that CR are deal breaking not about to dealbreak.
This is like a war thread between two kds stareing at each other. Everyone knows that **** is about to go down but it hasn't started yet. We are currently going through Zaupers process of finding reasons to dealbreak. It's really interesting, he is amazing at it. You can really tell that he has had loads of practice. Soon he will move on to the actual dealbreak and we can all ***** and moan over the technicalities and who is right and who is wrong. It's gonna be awesome.
But I did want to make sure everyone is warmed up, get their popcorns and bring out their worst persona first. No one should have an excuse take this kind of utopia bickering lightly
Gotta have a deal to break it.
Seems you agree our current deal is either 48h notice or "you can't come to close".
So, you want to give us land to drop down to 50% our size because any larger than that is too close? If not, you're violating the deal you think you have with us, and we should action you for dealbreaking. Right?
See what he did there? He says I says I agreed to something when I have said nothing that can even be mistaken for anything remotley close to what he is claiming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zauper
This is a very smart move. Ppl will read it and think: Hell yeah, that Zauper knows what he is talking about. He be da man.
When in fact it was all just made up. It works on someone, maybie his slightly daft buddy and he is one step closer to making the comunity think as he do. Without ever needing to resort to anything fact based.
Classic Mithras -- deflect rather than respond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithras
You can see the ingame confirmation that Topsy posted. You are in violation of the terms of our deal, or you can be noticed. You can pick which deal you want to be the 'real' deal.
http://prntscr.com/98ua68
I bet his wifey hates it when he does that.
So are you dropping because you're too close or not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithras
Thank you for posting a confirmation that we have an eoa cf that both our kds have confirmed. I understand that you have to add things and alter things in hindsight to make this dealbreak believable for the comunity. I still find that too close excuse to be way below your best. I'm sure you can come up with a better one in time for the actual dealbreak though. I have faith in you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zauper
You mean a deal that if you get too close, you need to shed acres?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithras
CK just confirmed that that is the case, and we can legitimately cancel the CF for that.
So. You shedding or not?
Also, did you see that line "per our conversation" in there? There is alot of nice things in that conversation that will look really silly on your record if you don't get better excuses for the dealbreak.
We need something big like "AMA dealbroke Sanctuary in age 51" or "Anri tripple noticed all abs kds in age xx". You need to think bigger.
Anyway. We are hogging the thread. Not ok. Gotto let the public in as well. I'll catch some sleep and I'll be back spurring you on to greatness tommorrow. You will be the true dealbreak king before we are done.
We have a 'Remotley Crüe' and 'Cluck Cluck said the Hen' all in one thread. Nostalgia overflow. Yeah, then all the other animals wanted to eat the Hens goodies but since they didn't help she ate it herself.
I'm ready for top diplo because Drummer Hoff fired it Off.
might makes right, latest example you and henchmen vs spartans.
Bend over, noone gives a ****
Breaking news: CK admits that they are breaking the Spartans CF deal by not razing the land after I asked.
How is it not against the spirit of the rules to make deals saying you can't grow X big or compete for a crown...
They can grow above that but it means war basically or just a beat down depending on size difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by markers
wut? Emeriti razing acres has nothing to do with the deal they reached with Spartans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zauper
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Originally Posted by beans
Now we're just making stuff up lol
Lame thread of the week award goes HERE!!
It is so ridiculous that it wasn't even part of that but part of a separate deal (?) that was part of the CF, according to CK! Apparently they reached a separate deal with prot that they didn't have to raze the acres unless I asked them to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Why the deal was with prot is a question I can't answer.
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[16:55:59] <CK> the cf agreement was actually that, unless you, not cr, but YOU, *****ed about us razing acres to not worry about it
[16:57:11] <zapanap> What cf agreement? You mean the spartans one? There was no mention of whether you should raze land or not, because it was assumed you would as we had been told you would.
[16:57:55] <CK> yes, there were talks with someone, protector i think, about if we needed to raze
Lmfao that it was for Zauper specifically. <3 Zapnub
Yeah, the concept of the deal is pretty hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
I don't see cellos prov in my lobby yet. Boring!
Did prot confirm? If not, has it occurred to you that maybe CK was lying so he could bait you into breaking your cf later?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zauper
There is no deal for him to break. I'm not sure why CK would bait us into noticing him since it really only favors us.
Lying or not doesn't really matter. We'll farm them whenever we decide to give notice, stalling isn't going to save them. Lying again would just make it that much clearer that they can't be trusted closer to us in size. They just explored one of their 12ks up to 18k (conveniently, Mithras' province) for us to farm, we'd want it to be about to get NW up. Be sporting and in range of our provs that want to farm it, afterall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
We had over 5x their gc before that explore, our sciences are around triple theirs, etc etc. Stalling isn't going to do anything for them other than irritate us, which is what got them into this situation to begin with.
Too much drama.
They can't win the age, they can't overtake Bb or CR so what the point of having all this drama over 12k acres?
This. Mithras is just a child that wants attention. Waste of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smitty87
Instead, let me post my SoS and you all can contemplate what would happen if we actually fought:
Science Intelligence Formatted Report
[http://www.utopiatemple.com Angel v2.21 Alpha 2]
Server: World of Legends (Age 66)
Land: 17,157 Acres
Books to Allocate: 617,439 books
** Effects Summary (Known Science Only) **
40.1% Income (4,745,715 books)
44% Building Effectiveness (11,168,803 books)
39.2% Population Limits (21,019,844 books)
169.7% Food Production (2,596,725 books)
17.5% Gains in Combat (6,557,522 books)
202.2% Thievery Effectiveness (6,557,522 books)
202.2% Magic Effectiveness & Rune Production (6,557,522 books)
That's 3500 BPA on a sage.
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Originally Posted by Mithras
instead of interpenetrating what he is saying... how about just raze the acres you agreed to do? so as not to db yourself. it should have been completed some time ago.. perhaps there should be a penalty of additional acres due to the illegal resources you have now earned from holing on to those acres longer than agreed upon.
Did they give a date as to when they would have the acres razed off by?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunch
OK first Is HOW THE F&CK GODLY GOT GAINS SCI!?!?
Second if emeriti razes the acres that they got from Sparta wouldn't this all go away? I mean I don't know what the issue is. Raze the acres you said you would raze and it all ends. I mean like I said before when I stated we would not gain 1 acre from the deal break emeriti was all on board. Was that to make themselves look good and they were just saying stuff? And who the hell is protector to say they don't have to raze them out? He wasn't even involved.
I don't think it's about 12k acres. I think it's about gaining acres off of policing a deal break when they specifically said they would not gain anything. Asked me if we would raze them for them when it was all over. So they were trying to do the right think and then just got greedy. You can't have it both ways. You were out to punish a deal break not to gain shiz for your own benefit.
It's 2 things. The first has to do with razing acres due to some conflict with spartans and div and maybe others: something i know absolutely nothing about. However, I am certain i never saw a deal ingame concerning it and thus I don't see how it really concerns CR in any official capacity. The second has to do with the lack of a finalized CF deal between CR and Emeriti since year 7: something that is slightly mind boggling, considering that the deal we offered was pretty solid and that they supposedly wanted something in the vain of what we offered. Neither of these two issues relate to us breaking deals with anyone; however, making this thread is incredibly odd.
I thought Emeriti were moving in the right direction this age, guess not.
If I was them I'd use the time left in this age that is clearly already over to get some positive points with the community, not the opposite... Not very smart by them to be honest, this was the perfect opportunity for them to "show" how the GB on them last age was uncalled for, but they only confirm it was needed with each of their subsequent actions, old habits die hard I guess.
Actually topsy it has everything to do with emeriti acres that they gained from Spartans. If they would have razed those acres out like they said they would (which zauper called bull**** on) we wouldn't be reading this ****. So maybe get active or something and pay attention?
Palem sees what you did there. I know you will recover. It's just a temporary setback Zauper. Don't be discouraged.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
I said I can't recall that it was part of the discussion in the makingamends channel on IRC with ~10 people from different kingdoms there. (I can post the log from the channel if nobody objects)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zauper
What was said on forums/other media I dunno.
I wasn't part of anything other than being a middleman between Mirana and Heaven. I know is that Emeriti had mentioned they'd accept a deal as long as Persain would agree. When terms both sides could live with where mutually agreed, Heaven made a channel, invited 10 orso people from different kingdoms and not much later Heaven and Persain agreed. Since everything relied on those 2 people, it ended right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Fwiw, I don't think Persain cared much what happened with the land, neither did Spartans. That's probably why it wasn't being discussed in the chan
IMO Emeriti should've just said sure we'll stay 15% smaller. Not like they'll magically grow 50k acres in a few days anyway and if not competing it doesn't really matter.
As per screenshot http://prntscr.com/98ua68 it appears a vital part of the deal remains unconfirmed seeing as you both have different thoughts on it.
I was! Altho just a middleman between Mirana and Heaven (and to some extend Persain I guess). I said there wasn't any talks about it in the chan during the Cf talks between heaven/persain, what was said outside of that channel isn't in my control and isn't something I can judge. Emeriti wasn't present for those CF talks though. (wasnt my decision, think nobody there was able to join at the time?) Then again, they had said before that they'd be fine with a deal as long as Persain agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace
They also said that no acres should be gained from a deal break. So you're saying if this ever happens again like say hypothetically Emeriti says CP BB deal broke us we need help. CP says to Erv yo man we could use some easy acres lets break cf with BB and get us some free acres! No. That's not a good move. No acres should be gained from policing a deal break. And yes sparta is not happy with emeriti keeping those acres after they jumped on my band wagon and agreed no acres should be gained and that they would raze them out. It's not right. It's not honorable and by keeping them its just going to cause more ****.