If they are not allowed to wave and not allowed to make a deal for honor points, how exactly are they supposed to prevent you from passing them in honor charts?Quote:
Originally Posted by glubglub
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If they are not allowed to wave and not allowed to make a deal for honor points, how exactly are they supposed to prevent you from passing them in honor charts?Quote:
Originally Posted by glubglub
FS has 120.1k honor at this very momentQuote:
Originally Posted by TommyB
SS has 104.7k honor at this very moment
What was the honor difference when CF broke a couple days back?
Currently SS is 87% of FS. Just curious where they were at when they were posing a threat to the honor crown.
Thats how the food chain works.Quote:
Originally Posted by glubglub
Making a CF deal instead of fighting is perfectly fine. This is mostly done to avoid losing more than one would if it gets to an actual fight, but without prep+hostile+war time spent.
The alternative is to fight or to CF after 1-2 waves
Difference was 1K if I remember correctly, dead even.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostfinger
@Palem is it ok to say she is full of **** ? I if not i apologize and feel free to edit/I will. Otherwise Mirana you are full of ****.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodwitch
You are butthurt over us NW droping and getting free WW of your KD, simple as that. Your crusade is nothing but bs to obfuscate the fact your gangsta wannabe attitude and big mouth gave us free win. That and salve for your bruised ego ofc.
Just to call you out on your BS and show how you got yourself "bullied" ill recap course of events as they happened here:
Feb3YR8 I Cant Stop (FS) invaded and stole from Mo Problems (LostSouls).
Feb3YR8 I Cant Stop (FS) captured 277 acres of land from Whizzii (LostSouls).
Feb4YR8 An unknown province from Lost Souls (LostSouls) ambushed armies from I Cant Stop (FS) and took 138 acres of land.
Feb4YR8 Whizzii (LostSouls) invaded I Cant Stop (FS) and captured 349 acres of land.
Few hours later we hit you 9 times.
You send CF offer and ask us to move on.
We hit you 4 more times
On the same hour you hit us 7 times
You change your KD name to : FS looking for ld armys out
You put up this banner: http://imgur.com/KbRnYkc
And send this message
Game Date February 22 of YR8
Real Date Sat, 31 Oct at 14:21 GMT+00:00
Sender The Conniving Queen The B of Apartment 23 (LostSouls)
Recipient King D M the Warrior of Going Out In Style (FS)
Subject hey
I was gone for a day but I am back now. We shall continue with learns and massacres on you until now you offer CF ;) remember since you are bigger you will lose far more than we will. Have a most fabulous day
mirana
From this point onwards you hit us 42 times, while we hit you 15 times, you canceled your CF offer (not that it mattered, at this point it was too late for peacefull solution) and most of those hits were learns costing us LOT of science.
There was no further communication and on March 24th we landdroped and declared.
There was bunch of msgs exchanged once we declared you, but I see no reason to flood the post.
Basically you kept pointing out we had standing CF offer for 24hs, and Loiso was pointing out you cant expect CF if you retal.
I'd add you cant especially if you retal as overboard as you did.
You choose to fight rather than to tank wave, stop complaining about it.
Ruthless has joined this hostile. Someone ought to update the topic-title.
Bring the pain! We will not bow to bullies. Go go go Suicide Squad!
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Game Date June 7 of YR14Quote:
Originally Posted by NighT
Real Date Tue, 15 Dec at 23:22 GMT+00:00
Sender The Wise King NighT of White Rose (ruthless)
Recipient King D M the Warrior of Going Out In Style (fs)
Subject Re:ok
Sure.
> King D M the Warrior of Going Out In Style (fs) said: > > i see u offered CF finally. So are we making a deal? Terms: EoACF and both KDs go own way. Please confirm that you agree with terms and im accepting it.
do you have any reason for breaking this eoacf deal?
Bro, FS without any reason other than honor bottom feeding, waved ruthless for 48 hours straight....just so you know ruthless was 13mill nw and FS was 24mill nw. There was no chance of any war popping off between the two. Actually, more KDs should be decrowning FS atm for that sort of play.
Yes.
I like waffles.
ruthless hit back fs just as much and meter was at 148 when they offered cf, and we accepted it..Quote:
Originally Posted by bandarkayali
why the hell would you 'wave' a kd that is 11 mill nw smaller than you in the first place
thanks for confirming that there was no justification for breaking this eoacf..Quote:
Originally Posted by bandarkayali
how did you get that answer from what I said, i'm having trouble seeing it
None of this means you can break an eoacf deal. Dealbreakers will be dealt with harshly
I don't see a justification for breaking an EOA deal. If you wanted to keep fighting, you shouldn't have agreed to an EOA deal.
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Originally Posted by pale
yolo!!
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Originally Posted by Kandy
Screw that YOLO crap!!! ;-)
Are we still talking about the CF deal that was signed at gunpoint?
You know, FS raped Ruthless (that'd be my KD) for 7K honor, destroyed all the TMs just for fun (including 3 princes down below 6K honor). Well out of NW range they were just looking to bully. They ignored the first CF offer and kept on feeding Ruthless (who were already in fort).
If you bully Ruthless, Ruthless will come back at you. Regardless of the cost.
what are you talking about? we cfed you when you filled the meter to 148, and didnt even hit you further while we could - i guess i should listen to others more, and stop being nice to ppl..Quote:
Originally Posted by NighT
Hitting to 148 point still consider nice ppl?? Lmao. Wake up your little mighty small 'peanut' and get all your defination correct pls.
hahahaha stop being nice to other people?!?!?! omg, thats goldQuote:
Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN
Hohoho and then people claim the top is dirty /rolleyes
So many threads, so confusing. What the hell is going on?
Have to say, the honor bottom feeding mechanics are pants on head stupid.
FS waved us while we were fort at 11m nw vs them at 24m ish and single hits into our TMs though fort were hitting for 400 honor.
Now on one hand, age is almost over, we weren't finding a war so it doesn't matter per se.
On the other hand, wtf. Is there a reason as to why a KD should be able to bottom feed like that, though fort, for that much of a benefit? It looks like honor gains/losses are not calculated through the standard NW ranges (or fort) that all other gains/losses are?
Seems illogical that the honor crown competition comes down to farming smaller high honor kds vs actually you know.. honorably.. fighting kds your size.
Either way, I don't mind eating waves - it is part of the game. The losses just seemed to heavily favor the bottom feeding behavior.
Spot on Cyr0....same thing happened to Ruthless.
Can Bishop or the devs fix this problem? It's not fair game-play. How can they Honor crown by waving KDs 11mill smaller than them?
we can't expect people to play honorably, its not human nature. They will abuse the system until people unite and stand up to them or until the problem gets fixed by the game developers.
I'll remind users that target sharing (encouraging others to hit a common target), is against the rules.
Stop arguing....the ultimate winner will be BB.You all pathetic warring ghetto...the almighty protector will show u how easy to secure the honor crown without that much drama and in a legitimate way.
Well, I was guaranteed a safe charm for next age if I become the crown maker. If lucky, BB shall be the first kingdom getting a crown for all the categories. Behold.
Upcoming War: Birdie vs BB
Outcome: BB will win-WW, Honor, Land, Networth
Reason: Birdie will play according to rule. Fight at all cost even it is a loss. Sorry to those kingdoms I have rejected because BB has booked me till of EOA.
So did FS initially ultimate plans of securing CFs with threatful top kds (that can actually beat them) backfires when they hv no one left to effectively war with (and has a decent chances to win) so they hv no other choices but to feed on kds ranked smaller.
Last age outcome inspired them to decide to grow this big so that no bigger warring kds can pose a much advantegous over them if war comes knocking.
Now this age might hv taught them again not to grow that big n to keep themselves within medium warring tiers thinking they can pridefully beat the others honorably. I guess payback will come next age seeing biggies feed on their sweet honors.
We did email Bishop regarding this. So far, no reply.
Question was: if BB keep waving Birdie, and Birdie retal back to max meter and war. Result is obvious due to size difference. BB will win the war.
EOWCF 96h over, wave again. Birdie retal again. War again. The cycle continues. I think this isnt against the rules i supposed.
Well, I am not from BB. I cannot stop them. But from my kingdom stand, we wont bow to power play.
That's all I got to say.
Also, thanks to someone. He has been pm-ing me, alerting me what will happen. I appreciate it but there is nothing I could do to prevent.
Cheers
Its people like you that sabotages the age for other players. Your ego deters you from just cutting your losses where its due. Eat a wave or two, CF and move on. There is no point fighting a lost crusade and bringing down the entire kingdom with you. Im sure top tier has better things to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feint
EGO? Hello bro, we gave them a war and wd within 3 days. Not a happy ending for BB apparently. It was them who wanted Round 2? U sure they have better things to do...Quote:
Originally Posted by s7ark
They are the one with EGO. They demanded us to reset our provinces in exchange for a CF. SO who is sabotaging who now.
citadel from you I will take that as a compliment :)
And I don't even blame you that you cannot understand that someone may not do something for themselves but for a game they like. Yes, I know it's shocking that I have to inform you that it is a game. I know you put all your hopes and dreams into this honor crown and your ego will be crushed without it.
You guys brought up our war, I did not.
Fact is we have nothing to gain but we also have nothing to lose. It's not about my kingdom, it's not about our war. It's about Utopia and what you and some others do to it.
You are killing the game by full on waving smaller kingdoms which makes new players get frustrated and leave.
It is not the top acre kingdoms that do this crap it's the top warring kingdoms.
People tell me I am too nice because we don't wave smaller kingdoms. You tell me I am stupid for warring up instead of down.
Well I don't think I am either of those. I think I have my reality/game ratio right to where I don't lose my integrity over a silly crown.
This is about fairness and not forgetting where I came from. I have been lucky enough to play with some of the greatest players this game has and had. Not everyone is that lucky. I am willing to bet if the top players now hadn't at one time had someone show them the ropes they would still be in what you refer to as ghettoland. So giving those players a break is just common sense really. Like I said in the other thread, instead of just laughing at the guy that has no guilds, write a note and explain things, ask if they would like help. Instead of waving someone (anyone) below declare range, stop being lazy and random. Every kingdom can deal with a random hit, a full on wave not so much.
You made the choice to grow. It's not like it occured naturally. So all this time while you keep saying that the others could have grown...you also had the choice to stay smaller. No one told you you had to explore. You knew the other warring kingdoms wouldn't grow that big. And yet you grew. You knew at the beginning of the age that you were going to vulture honor of kingdoms that wouldn't stand a chance against you. And as soon as someone does pose a threat you make sure you get an eoacf with them. If need be with the help of your even bigger allies.
So tell me again how FS isn't a bully?
People have to understand that there are 2 legitimate ways to secure honour towards the crown. #1 war for it and get the war win bonus (plus whatever you gained if any during the war) and #2 hit outside of war for it (pretty decent gains this way tbh). Both are legitimate. If you put yourself in a situation without protection because you failed at diplo, especially by having a blank cf, and it allows for someone in the honour race to hit you for a ton of hard fought/earned honour, even if it is bottomfeeding, then that's your own damn fault. If you guys wouldn't land drop all the time maybe you'd have been big enough to defend yourselves? You're all competing for the same crown. You gotta know where the competition is and what position they're in. You can't let your competition be in a position above you like FS was and then constantly try to run. All of the old utopia players will tell you that being in the "top" (usually in the 1 through 10 spots), be that honour or land, means you gotta be ready to defend your position at all times unless you've secured the proper cfs. Why? Because it's a competitive place to be and the mechanics of the game allow for you to get taken in a variety of ways. Getting waved outside of war is pretty brutal for honour loss, fortified or not, bottomfeeding or not. It's mostly about prov to prov nw. Throwing a hissy fit and organizing a gangbang just because someone else is smarter than you and put themselves in a better position to secure their goals and win just shows you haven't learned anything from any of this. Some lessons are learned the hard way. Learn from what happened and move on. You bring in help, bad things will happen to anyone who breaks the 1 v 1 fight. That is a promise. This has nothing to do with friendship, relationships, etc. When eoacf deals can just be broken without any kind of retaliation and gangbangs are allowed when someone just put themselves in a better position to win and the sore losers throw a hissy fit and decide to band together, then the game is truly dead. It's already half dead, let's not go all the way. The stronger, smarter, kd is supposed to win. That's the nature of war. Next time prove you're the stronger and smarter kd.
^this is the best comment so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pale
I'm not expecting you to change your honor bottom feeding techniques. I would like the game developers to create a more fair game, so that KDs like FS can't take advantage of unbalanced game mechanics. Ruthless had 22 provinces and 11 mill nw less than FS while they were being waved or 48 hours. Those 2 KDs should never be matched up against each other, there's no way they could war each other. FS should be waving KDs in their NW range!
There isn't rule saying u cannot hit into war to stop ppl from getting honor crown. It is part of the game. Otherwise, dev should review and change the game mechanic. EOACF deal is not a rule also . It is just a deal mutually agreed by both side outside the rules . Stop being naiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Pale
^^^^^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Pale
this
not the kingdom with the most "friends", not the kingdom that is the biggest bully. Not the kingdom that cries foul play every single war they get into. Thanks to their popularity every war made the forum so this is well documented.
They used to be a respectable kingdom. But if y'all let them get away with this then it will only get worse. Apparently there is no limit to how shameless they can be.
The mere attempt to let them know their forum behavior isn't appreciated cause them to jump all over StratOcastle. I don't know about you, but I have yet to see him be rude or mean to anyone. But yet they circled him like blood hungry hyenas. And anyone that dared to chime in got the same treatment.
The majority of players should not have to suffer so a handful of entitled elitists can get it the way they want it , when they want it.
I am truly saddened. I expected more from you.
Just do it! Ghetto rules...
Goodwitch, you agreed that 'The stronger, smarter, kd is supposed to win'. yet you are scorned when you're being power played by a stronger kd?
Make a stand and stick by it.
Considering everyone started off at the same footing, I don't see anything wrong in waving for honor. If there's anything to fight for, it should be to change game mechanics if you're unhappy about crown race.