Wars are so hard to find sometimes. You were given one and screwed it up. Damn son, grow a set.
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Wars are so hard to find sometimes. You were given one and screwed it up. Damn son, grow a set.
i said that wrong....Quote:
Originally Posted by neanderthal
Wars are so hard to find sometimes. You were given one, and a FREE war win and screwed it up. Damn son, grow a set.
bluorr I have to ask since some idiot wants to compare what happened to you to what happened to us earlier in the age.
If vlahul accepted your CF and went away, then he did the same thing I would have done.
If vlahul declined your CF proposal, and kept waving you, then demanded you give up 10k acres before they accepted the CF, then they did something that only a jerk would do.
Actually you wave then accept the cf to reset the meter. Then cancel it and continue to wave. Basically it's OK for you to jump some one but if someone jumps you you cry and throw a temper tantrum. Did I miss anything. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Ed
If all the critisism results in war this is a good thread.
FREE losing wars is just legitimizing the health of the war tier. I'm happy with vlah and his rhetoric. Let's not try to railroad the guy. If FREE is happy with vlah, I'm happy.
Remember lesson one: retain players.
It will be more fun. Sparta is resetting, apparently, which also legitimizes the health of the war tier.
Let's keep players. We can be assholes, but let's keep it in bounds.
Same here with bluorr: ok, he gets it. I also understand no one here is diplomaniacs so I'm not expecting miracles in chivalry. Ok, go.
Free accepted the Cf and moved on. No complaints in that department. But if you say you do the same as vlahul, explain me something :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Ed
The situation : you are desperate to war. So you sniff a target. That target understands that you`re onto them, so messages asking you to war them a bit later than their eowcf... Why do you ignore the messages and wave the said Kd? How is that going to bring you closer to your priority target : to war. I mean you get a free wave, some honor and acres but that`s it ... most cases, you won`t get a war. In most cases you`ll have the said Kd waiting dormant for you. So where`s the logic ...
Even with the chainees exploring, even with the wizard pump, you got a war win, meaning you should have been ready to fight right oow.
Not responding is a clear clue to an intention of some sort.
So both things are your fault => not getting pumped enough and not interpreting the silence in the right way.
I seriously don`t know how to explain this any clearer: the Kd didn`t care about the wave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) They went for a full-out wizzard pump, accepting the risk of getting waved. So why is everybody picking up on this puny matter? The said Kd lost some few hundreds acres and few hundreds honor, but gained gazillion wizzards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dowla1337
The talk is about: who goes radio silence when approached for war, but then waves, and only after the wave asks for war?
Dafuq with people not getting bluorr's and handofthrawn's point!
The point that everyone else is raising is that there is no need for agreements our terms. It's perfectly fine just to wave and not respond to messages. The radio silence should been a sign already that something was going on.
Their point is flawed in that FREE probably has a tainted view of war agreements since they tried that with Spartans and ended up dealbreaking that agreement. Who goes on radio silence when approached for war, then waves, and after the wave asks for war? I'd say a kd that doesn't put much faith in 'war agreements' and instead chose to approach utopia the way it used to be played which is by showing your intent by waving someone. The fact that the kd didn't see this is what so many are bringing up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hustisya
Many others' point is that the kd should have seen it coming and could have resulted in the war that both kd's seemed to want if they just used some common sense and read the signs. Looks like the kd just accepted the cf and both moved on their own ways though so there really is no harm done other than neither one getting the war that they supposedly wanted.
Considering you started this thread and have been whining for four pages, I think you do careQuote:
Originally Posted by bluorr
No. He is providing an opinion in an apathetic way that is consistent with caring.
handofthrawn does not have a point, he is just trolling me as usual. He is still upset that last age we did the same thing to Warlords as they did to us. He just needs to learn that when you beat up on a smaller kingdom that sometimes the smaller kingdom gets bigger than you and returns the favor. That is what happened with warlords. They waved us, accepted our CF, then broke the CF and waved us again. The next age we found them and did the same thing to them. What comes around goes around, right? If you still have a problem with that, handofthrawn, you know where we're at. Fight it out in the game and stop crying and lying in the forums. Your trolling is getting old and stale.
bluorr, your exactly right. but let me point one thing out. A lot of times someone with WAY more acres than us, but equal NW will ask if we want to war. There hope is I agree to wait a few days to war so they can train up to their acres. By the time the war date comes they are much larger than us in NW. To prevent this from happening, we wave them to equal out the acres. Some will see that it is still an equal war and negotiate wave date, others will send us a CF which we accept and move on. It's not an ideal way to get a war, but as I said many times, I do not like to negotiate. That is one of the reason I stepped down as monarch. Our new monarch does a great job negotiating.
Just pointing out your a hypocrite. Sure my kingdom could farm you out seeing your so much smaller then me. But what's the fun in that. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Ed
old and stale handofthrawn. People that have come across us know that we are an honorable and respectful kingdom. We have fun, but show respect in the war forums and seek and offer advice after a war. People know that if we wave them and they do not want to war, we accept the CF and go away. The elite kingdoms know we are newbs, but trying to get better and will test ourselves against them. But people also know that if they bully us that we do not forget it and will look for the opportunity to exact revenge. Sometimes it comes, and sometimes it doesn't, but we are always looking. Your just upset that we found the opportunity with ur buddies and they felt the same pain they dished out to us in a previous age. Get over it pal.
oi someone else got my free war win. go free! then again warring free turn into forum drama i vote any kingdom who want to make a name for thereselve or be know of war them this age.
Bravo! :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by situsklaw
If op is from the kd I'm thinking of you might want to try not having 4-5 times your kd nw in unspent gold when you are coming out of eowcf under-trained. Unless you aren't intending to keep that gold.
I don`t know man. I say 1 thing, everybody picks up on 20 other possible details that have nothing to do with that 1 thing. I talk about Vlahul crying for a war after refusing the war deal, and I get 20 peeps explaining me about how lamborghini is better than samsung because pigs can`t read without their sunglasses. On Mars.
Just drop the topic. Carry on, please.
well, truth is.. these dudes, the Warcry kingdom that is - made the mistake to stay 5-10% draft into eowcf, and 4-7m gold each province.
with 24h before end of the eowcf - they were starting to draft and train and obviously they could not jump their draft from 5-10% into 70% or such.
we made some plunders over their gold, stealings and completed the wave with TM when no more gold was available.
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However, the 2nd part of the story is yet UNTOLD, here it is:
we waited for the dudes of Warcry to train their 10-12 epa during the forti. They had 5k biggers acres - we had to grow 5k acres and train specialists to fit their size. They ended 170-180 nwpa and we was 150 nwpa - guess what? Warcry cried for no war.
Guess what!? after 70% trained with full 10-12 epa on their undeads... they still DID not made a war, but came here to cry about some plunders we did over them and about 10 TM or so.
And stealings.
Who would not plunder/steal 3-5m gold provinces?
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Bottomline: they made the mistake of exiting EOWCF with 30-45% drafted army and barely any thieves. 3-6m gold on their provinces. Surely, we raped that - who wouldn't? We waited for them to pump 170-180 nwpa, 200 bpa, 10-12 epa vs our crap specialist kingdom - we tried a war deal since that's the standard nowadays. They refused, we did not waved second time (we could do that) - they should appreciate we did not take the free land 2nd time.
When this story happened, the Warcry kingdom was 19.5-20k acres and FREE was 15k acres. We instantly waved/plundered/explored/stol/trained into 18k acres so we can fit them when EOWCF ended (that was about 48h timeframe). Therefore - we was the undertrained, landfat and no pumped kingdom.
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We kept waving kingdoms for 10 real days, trained whatever we could with stealing and specialists. Nobody wanted to war, we got free acres up to 26k.
Than we got full waved by "the brave" Blood Brothers or something like that. They were 2/2 with 4.6m nw vs our 0/1 and 4m nw. We did not cried, we did not begged for CF.
These dudes were insanely pumped with two eowcf pump, 500 bpa vs our 150 bpa, 12-15 epa everybody. 180 NWPA kingdom, bigger than us.
We pushed button instantly. Best we could do since there was literally no kingdom willing to war us.
We could have won the war under these terms, but:
1. we semi-chained their faeries to soften their defense for second wave.
2. on second wave, Araq from our kd sent 8000 elites (kept for defense) instead of horses >>>> 0 defense at 1000 acres.
3. their faeries quaded him and made incoming land on their chained TM, ruined our plans.
Eventually, we killed 1 of their provinces. Could have killed 3 others (they were down to 50-100 peons and 200a), but we've decided to keep the 4000 honor and 2000 acres we raped and WD.
So, yes... FREE does have 0/2 now, but we got 14 barons and 3 others nearly there.
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We did not cried when Blood Brothers waved us with 500k bigger nw and maxed pumped. We wared with a big disavantage, and we lost the 150 BPA for WW - but we raped 4k honor and 2k acres in minimum time, killed 1 province and totally screwed their acreage distribution (while FREE has perfect acreage).
We waved them and gave button on July 22. They declared on July 23. Here is the summary for those who are interested:
Hostile hit included. From Outlawz news
** Kingdom news report **
For the time from July 22 of YR2 till February 23 of YR3 - 50 hours
** Summary **
Total attacks made: 283 (14,521 acres)
-- Traditional march: 251 (14,215 acres)
-- Ambush: 5 (306 acres)
-- Massacre: 16 (18,690 population)
-- Learn: 2
-- Failed: 9 (3.2% failure)
-- Uniques: 93
Total attacks suffered: 254 (13,103 acres)
-- Traditional march: 236 (13,065 acres)
-- Ambush: 1 (38 acres)
-- Raze: 10 (0 acres)
-- Learn: 3
-- Failed: 4 (1.6% failure)
-- Uniques: 105
And I'd like to correct some points that patafpu made:
1. We were not 2/2, we were 1/2. I have no idea why you all keep saying we were 2/2, even in our own war forum.
2. We did lose honor, but last I checked, we lost ~2k before you WD, not ~4k
3. The dead prov were careless to leave 50 peons 5 hours before your withdrawal without logging in, so there's nothing to be proud of that really.
Anyway, thanks for the war. I'm sure both kingdoms have some experience to learn from this.
Some poeple are blinded by thier ego..lol.. 1/2 warwins, they see 2/2..
Hahaha whatever
Wait a minute - you guys are Blood Brothers and not Outlawz? Wait.... BB...?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Paradise
Also, the stats you quoted say you gained almost 1.5k more land but FREE says they raped 2k land?
FREE said they raped 4k honour and resulted in 14 barons but I also see 4 viscount 7 barons at Outlawz (and in fact have overall higher honour). Something is fishy here...! You guys choose honour bonus or land bonus?
killed one of our prov. thats funny. that noob was online and think he can live with that tiny peon count. too bad.. death sentence lol
Dead or not, that province sounds useless to me anyway so it must be the result of FREE, whether direct or indirect. So nothing wrong with FREE claiming they killed it.
they had other 3 provinces at 100-150 peons and 200a. Could have killed those in 24-36 hours.
You forget the attacks in war generates honor. That's why you only lost 2k-2.5k, because we have generated an extra 1.5k honor by war attacking.
1/2 or 2/2 is not much of a deal. the idea is you had two eowcf pump and 12-14 epa on all of your provinces, while we had one in OOP at 500 acres.
Anyway, we are not complaining at all. Your kingdom is cripled in acreage, lost a province... you gain nothing this war, just the 150 extra bpa. No honor and only 7k acres (they picked acres for WW).
We are not denying your WW or waring capacity, you played well, you deserve the war win - obviously. You were active and had a good coordonation, but I hope you do understand we had no wpa and no epa :).
If Araq would have not suicided and feed your Faeries with free land:
1. you would have not got them Viscounts (freeo 300 honor on quad taps)
2. you would have not grown them, we would have ended the chaining on 3 of your faeries.
3. we would have continued the war and kill 4-5 provinces, including the 2-3 faeries.
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4. We are killing Araq :)) haha.
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Originally Posted by patapuf
Gosh. Ive never made a forums account to post in my years of playing utopia and I salute you for making me do it. Im Poh, lead of The Blood Brothers. We might be unknown but we are definitely not "something like that". I dont get why you and some others keep making things up.
1. Raped 2k acres? Last I checked we TOOK 1.4k acres from you. You mentioned yourself you got free acres up to 26k. Now youre 24.4k. Try do the math there.
2. Keep 4k honor? We were 55K honor and you were 53k honor. Youre now 54.6k Assuming you were 53k in honor you would have been 57k honor now. Again do the math.
3. What do do you mean that we have 500bpa? We were 1/2 when we warred you. How did we magically get 2/2 with 500 bpa.
4. 12 - 15 epa.. We had max 12.5epa. We werent insanely pumped on our rogues who just explored 250 acres each 3 days before we waved you. Thus why you could take them down so easily.
5. Your terms are totally wrong. During your second wave, no hits were made on our rogues. Our faeries were already unbreakable to your kds offense at that point unless you consider suiciding your halflings into them as breaking. Rogues propped your elves who had no WT on them at all. Araq mistake or not, there was nothing you could do on 2 unbreakable rogues then.
6. You DID NOT kill 1 of our provinces. He was new and didnt know that having 0 peasants would kill his province. When asked, he said he had food and GC and didnt expect that he would die. Dont take the glory of killing when non did the killing shot. And unlike FREE, we do not raze of our province for making a mistake he did not intend.
7. We were not 500k bigger in nw. When we waved you we were at the same NW. You took the wave and dropped 400k NW.
8. We had 5 attackers who could 2x 22k defense and remain unbreakable at near 60k defense. We were just massing your entire KD by then. There was no way you could have pulled a win from there. Your entire KD has no NS potential after all the razes. Not to mentioned your mystics at 1-1.5tpa with no WT. We had 24/7 of MS on your provinces and about 3 of our provinces received MS in returned. Our NW lead was increasing as time goes by. There was no way your KD could have sustained your army. By the time of WD, your max offense was only 56k and that was suiciding entire force of elites. Our faeries were 1 at 41k Defense and 6 at 60k - 85k defense.
If theres anything that i mentioned you find untrue, please do point it out. I would like to look at it. I didnt want to say it but now that these fake claims appear, your KD was so sure about winning thus the declare. Vlahul was telling people that we offered them a farm war by waving into them and FREE cant refuse that. Its sad but true. Below im posting the war summary to show you your land gain.
== HOSTILE hits included ==
** Kingdom news report **
For the time from July 22 of YR2 till February 23 of YR3 - 50 hours
** Summary **
Total attacks made: 283 (14,521 acres)
-- Traditional march: 251 (14,215 acres)
-- Ambush: 5 (306 acres)
-- Massacre: 16 (18,690 population)
-- Learn: 2
-- Failed: 9 (3.2% failure)
-- Uniques: 93
Total attacks suffered: 254 (13,103 acres)
-- Traditional march: 236 (13,065 acres)
-- Ambush: 1 (38 acres)
-- Raze: 10 (0 acres)
-- Learn: 3
-- Failed: 4 (1.6% failure)
-- Uniques: 105
** The kingdom of #:# **
Total land exchanged: +1,418 (283/254)
+782 Exodus (15/0)
+746 Utopia (16/2)
+693 Khaaaannn (16/1)
+691 Aydindril (14/0)
+686 NewHope (16/2)
+612 Extremist (14/0)
+511 Hydroxymitragynine (13/3)
+265 Memoria (4/1)
+95 Puppet (12/13)
+30 Sensitivity (4/0)
+12 Boobs (4/0)
+11 An unknown province (1/0)
-2 Polymerization (17/7)
-27 Burden (3/1)
-29 Hogwarts (4/4)
-96 Nivek (5/2)
-155 Parachute (15/19)
-246 Totem (4/6)
-262 Westy (13/23)
-265 Pestilence (14/15)
-312 inHOsPitable (16/21)
-343 Too (12/30)
-404 Spectral (11/31)
-422 shoppingmall (14/24)
-531 Ivalice (13/23)
-622 Guardian (13/26)
** The kingdom of #:# **
Total land exchanged: -1,418 (254/283)
+486 ZenithSun (9/3)
+485 Leio (9/0)
+450 k4r (8/0)
+293 Chervie (5/2)
+289 Hop (13/3)
+242 RuPhiN (8/2)
+187 Burner (10/3)
+167 RayofHope (13/9)
+125 -Smiles- (7/7)
+89 Spamely (11/5)
+80 Charm3d (6/4)
-26 Acidic (10/11)
-38 RiPpY (7/8)
-91 Cello (10/13)
-130 Dreamy (18/22)
-194 Molly (9/4)
-214 Cheese (12/12)
-223 conclave (9/10)
-253 Syrion (12/18)
-405 3ger (7/17)
-482 Draak (12/21)
-490 Zhuelle (14/19)
-555 DeGoodz (11/24)
-555 Woe (12/22)
-655 AK-47 (12/44)
1. Only 1 faery who attacked Araq got to viscount. Check back your news on who attacked Araq. Other viscounts did TM of 3 acres to 7 acres to deep chain him. How do they get honor from that?Quote:
Originally Posted by patapuf
2. Like I mentioned. 2 rogues were already UNBREAKABLE when you did your second wave and NOT ATTACK our other 2 rogues. By your 3rd wave, a 3rd UB rogue came up. I myself got from 80k to 89k def from a wave of prop. Your KD has 60k max offence on halflings by suiciding every elite leaving land defense.
3. Im not gonna interfere your internal affairs decision but its sad to see a player being killed off for a mistake he didnt make intentionally. Good luck in retaining players in FREE.
4. I would like to once again say that there was no way FREE could have pulled a victory on it even if Araq did not suicide. He was just an additional icing on the cake. Im not saying that FREE was pumped for the war because they arent. Have bad wpa. But im just saying that dont go around telling ppl that us waving FREE was a farm war offer that sounded so confidently that FREE would have pulled an easy war win from it.
*Edit - Araq if you see this, do PM me ingame. I would like to have you join our KD if you like to.
I was thinking that too. Just press the button if you want war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
What he said.Quote:
Originally Posted by era
<locs>
That's your faeries at 500-600a. Stop lying for "7 acres hits". You farmed it good - our mistake.
You mention your 60k def, our humans in this moment still have 60k mod off. You seem to miss that and mention only the halfers - not the 6 humans.
There was no point in chaining your faeries with that incoming land. Or maybe it was and should have done it, who knows?
You had 2 UB faeries left, yes. They were the mystics, we had no concerns on that.
Anyway, why do we argue? we are both happy with the war, right? so gratz again and good luck.
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PS: we do kill AK-47 province because one of our guys have to quit due to IRL job. Araq will move on his province, so the player stays - the province goes :).
I like it - keep going Blood Brothers, you're starting to make a name for yourself. Maybe you can start writing the Art of War lol.
FREE, is it true that you told people BB was a farm war offer? Wow... that sounds stupid.
Araq is still with us, who kicks a guy for making one mistake? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by MaGiciaNz
Btw, even if your guy made a mistake about having 0 peasants, it was us who killed him. He just didn't know how to counter it. :)
Memoria probably got really good honour from that but the rest were below 31 to 50 acres gain... I doubt the honour gain!
We know you fought well under your own condition, and we fought well too, and made good use of your mistake. Who wouldn't? We are just not happy with the false numbers that you claimed to make your loss more glorious, and our win less impressive. That's all. We even congratulate you with the honor gain despite losing.
And I'm sure vlahul was happy when we waved them, "farm war and can't refuse" he said. While I admire the rare confidence sparkled within, my 2 cents would be just don't do the talk if you can't walk it.
P.S: If all the "ifs" and assumptions in our life turned true, I would be million times richer than Bill Gates. So just take it as a chance to improve rather than excuses for failure.
Do you hear the people sing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Paradise
1-1 then. 1 for our dead prov and 1 for araq. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by stoffi
Having no dragon money didn't help either after being double-hostiled by you guys, losing much of our income. Yes, it was a double-hostile, you were asked by another quite aggressive kd we hostiled to double us, while we had tagged war and were going to war with a third kd. You, on the other hand, were filled up with GC and Runes, even after you had invested in the dragon, and you started out with a positive income and all built lands, except for the few who were chained.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paradise
That's war. It's never fair, so everything's fair. :) (no sarcasm intended)
January 20 of YR3 Burden captured 11 acres of land from AK-47Quote:
Originally Posted by patapuf
January 20 of YR3 Burden captured 10 acres of land from AK-47
January 20 of YR3 Burden captured 10 acres of land from AK-47
January 20 of YR3 Sensitivity captured 8 acres of land from AK-47
January 20 of YR3 Sensitivity captured 8 acres of land from AK-47
January 20 of YR3 Sensitivity captured 7 acres of land from AK-47
January 20 of YR3 Sensitivity captured 7 acres of land from AK-47
January 20 of YR3 Boobs captured 7 acres of land from AK-47
January 20 of YR3 Nivek captured 7 acres of land from AK-47
January 20 of YR3 Boobs invaded and stole from AK-47
January 20 of YR3 Nivek captured 7 acres of land from AK-47
January 20 of YR3 Boobs captured 5 acres of land from AK-47
January 20 of YR3 Nivek captured 6 acres of land from AK-47 (
January 20 of YR3 Nivek captured 5 acres of land from AK-47
January 20 of YR3 Boobs invaded and stole from AK-47
These are our 3 viscounts. I was pointing to the fact that you mentioned that our viscounts were obtained becauase of Araq. Im just refuting that. The only faery that got to viscount from attacking Araq was Memoria.
Theres nothing I have to prove that your humans did not have 60k offense by then but I can assure you they dont. And before Memoria attacked Araq, he was already 89k defense. I dont know what you are talking about. Our UB faeries were rogues. Memoria 89k defense. Hogwarts 72k. Nivek was at 63k and only Zenithsun (Elf) and 3ger (Elf) could have broken him. Thus we chained 3ger and NSed Zenith. Your humans were literally out of sight in our war plan. They had barely any offense and any wpa. We didnt bother to hit them till the end to give our chained guys some max gain targets.
The only reason we are arguing here is because some guys in FREE ( Im not saying all. I believe that there are many nice people in FREE) are making fake claims just to make it sound like they could have won the war but they rather not because I can assure you there was absolutely no chance. 6 UB faeries. 5 ub attackers that can 2x 22k offense to massacre. However you put it, theres no way FREE could have won that. Dont give us the "we could have won it but we decided to pull out" crap.
Thank you. Peace out.
If that kingdom hadn't asked, we would have waved you hoping for war anyway. Since we had been rejected by a few kingdoms when we tried to msg them. So we went back to old-school style :). The kingdom in question had no say in our decision at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoffi