Printable View
I totally agree... it's not cheatng and only using what's avaliable, thus the Welfare comparison...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aranfein
However, they are a great kd and hats off to them. Just don't go insulting others in personal attacks. You gotta love the way some people get mad when ghettos challenge greats...
Multi vs mass sitting. Don't see the difference other than sitting is an option for Utopia to sell credits to make money. Hence as I mentioned earlier - pay to win
Yeah sure I asked my mom for the whole 50 cents worth of sitting. Your complaint is of a feature that is keeping the game free and more importantly allowing players with busy lives to enjoy utopia. Also you know you're speaking about a kingdom that just completed a 3 peat (won the crown 3 times in a row)... something that hasn't been done in 12 years? Show a little respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiveAndProsper
Quote:
Originally Posted by xXxFoBxXx
You gotta love when people pretend to be speaking as an outsider and not a member of a kingdom. We know who you are. You're the same guy that has been spamming us as if we're supposed to get drinks and add each other on facebook after the war. I don't like you and shut the **** up. I am not mad that you are "challenging the greats." I'm am mad that you have 3 X's encompassing your stupid nickname like a 12 year old.Quote:
Originally Posted by xXxFoBxXx
I'm not even sure why I still have the Trump picture. Bishop changed it to mock me along with a special forum title: Triggered.Quote:
Originally Posted by xXxFoBxXx
I don't think you understand what pay2win is...
They would really enjoy the utopia knockoff where you actually pay them to gain bonuses to your province. That's pay to win. What we have in utopia is pay to give the guy with a flu a break or pay to let the guy who has a wedding to attend not have to check his phone the entire time.
In about 10 hours I'll have to set sitter for 1 day due to a dinner with the inlaws. I hope that's alright with you (I should have checked first). It would be fairly rude having to answer phone calls, make attacks, etc at the dinner table. I'd like to only set for 4 hrs, but 24 hours is the minimum. I guess because someone else is looking after my account, it's going to be managed a lot better than the greatest player of all time would manage it. Realistically the 24 hours that my province is under management of another player is your best possible advantage given that I am one of only a handful of players that logs in regularly:
[08:22] <Godly> !ingame
[08:23] <munkbot> godl# 85% | c# 56% (yes, that is the 2nd highest).
Only reason I play Utopia compared to some other game is because there is no such option.
I think you have a warped sense of what's fair here, CR have 25 provinces, GF's on Fire have 25 provs, GF's initiated conflict. 25v25 is fair, everything else is moot since the "weaker" kd initiated the conflict. So setting 7 sitters is bringing things up to fair terms, not the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by umajon911
Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aranfein
It's not like top KDs use sitting because provs are completely inactive or unable to play.
Most of the people on sitting just couldn't be on 100% activity for a few days.
The war was over before it started.
The terms are fair, we have the same options available to us as you do kid.Quote:
Originally Posted by umajon911
Your KD was just dumb enough to think that you could beat a top KD that had long since decided to take off for the age.
Spoiler: Ghettos are bad.
Wait until you meet this ghetto kingdom you speak of here... :) you have no idea who you speak of and which kingdom this is... better grow those farms because they will be dead when this ghetto comes... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Meep
Ahhh Meep, never knew O_o :p
What i meant was would we see 7 players leaving armies homes longer then needed, is it the banks will they login when its a quick hit needed, or show for scheduled waves or what not, i wasn't speaking this war only :)
But thank you.
The things people complain about nowadays..
Number 1...kid... you should probably figure out first if I even play in the KD. *cough* I don't... Number 2, for a top 10 kd to decide to "take the age off" you sure have been involved in quite a few conflicts. I will let you think that you are the cream of the crop...but actually you're not :) and Number 3... The ghettos are where the best players are, because they have no ****'s to give when it comes to ruining a kd's age :-pQuote:
Originally Posted by Meep
1 - Why are you handjobbing for a KD you aren't even inQuote:
Originally Posted by umajon911
2 - We lost an OOP war, then lost a closer war, then were stuck in a diplomatic position where contending for the age was no longer viable, so we decided to coast for the rest of the age.
3 - No, they aren't, I've played utopia for about 50 ages, almost entirely in the ghetto and this is demonstrably false.
You've obviously not played in good ghettos then. Ive played in several ghettos that had absolutely no issues dragging out wars just to prove a point they have nothing else better to do other than mess things up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meep
"Handjobbing"...do explain. Do you mean supporting another KD that did not hold the obvious advantages? Supporting the under dogs? If that is you're definition of "handjobbing" thats rather lame. I envy the GF's taking on a fight they had a crappy chance of winning. Let alone abusing the yet legal sitting option on 7 provs. Hope sitting doesn't run out on your players..
7 sitters in war would not be a big issue that make its way to forum, if it's not CR who doing it, right? ^^. I know some kingdoms encountered this during holiday season like xmas or new year. There's something called life and family too.
Is GF expecting CR not to set sitter so they can win the war "easily" thinking this is the age off for CR? What's wrong with "a kingdom" using a provided in-game feature to win?
What does dragging out a war to prove a point have anything to do with how good your ghetto is? If you like wasting your time losing, FREE is probably the home for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by umajon911
You're not supporting an underdog, you're just supporting a ghetto that reached too far into the cookie jar thinking they caught a top KD unprepared, and got burned for it. All the while making thinly veiled attempts to call CR cheaters.
Why do you hope sitting doesn't run out on our players? That would generally imply the person is available to play actively again, and result in an increase in activity.
Yes from the forum whining GF's seems to clearly have expected CR to give them the win on a silver platter pretty please. CR seems to have rallied and fought back, so now sitting is cheating and unfair because they're not getting the farmout GF's feel they deserve it would seem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paradise
Supporting the underdogs is fine, whining that the opponent is somehow morally cheating is not. They picked the fight, so they get to fight it. If it's not the fight they expected then they should have planned better. it's 25v25, that is fair, 25v18 is what would have been unfair.Quote:
Originally Posted by umajon911
Since the thread seems fond of making comparisons I'll toss this one out there, All this whining about sitting and cheating is like the spoiled little kid in the checkout line crying his lungs out because he didn't get the bonbon he wanted and just generally annoying everybody within hearing distance while his parents stand around pretending like it's raining.
See the flip side to this is that on the weekends, Jwu plays frisbee so his provs are home for 4hrs +
Jew King goes scuba diving and is underwater so he was home for 8hrs.
http://lovelace-media.imgix.net/uplo...e5eefacd9.gif?Quote:
Originally Posted by umajon911
Tiny azn nublord.Quote:
Originally Posted by jwuzi
^ this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paradise
Agreed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Elldallan
donate
And to think 3-4 other players asked for sitters (myself included). The amount of complaining that would ensue if there were 11 sitters instead on just 7 o.O
Thats fine, I understand your anger Godly but veiled insults are not necessary. You can claim I am unreliable all you want but that isnt the case so no need to drag things down to that level. I wont insult you, you are a good leader and player, how about we just leave it at that instead of sounding like douchebags
Also for the record, me leaving was never crown chasing, I haven't even approached one top kingdom asking to join, feel free to ask them
No one is whining about losing a war! Why not ask CR about the compliments and thanks for giving a war to get the age going again for the kd (many are not as active anymore until hostile was given by CR). And this was because not many kingdoms the same size would war them. Maybe before people start saying GF is whining, they should really reread the post. The only mention is whether or not Utopian should change the BABYSITTING option to allow for only 3 or so provinces, instead of 7. This would benefit us all - point being, why is the Vacation Mode locked in the same way to only a certain amount of provinces?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elldallan
Also, the mention of a lost war was sent to umajon911 in-game BEFORE hostility even started. This is how he knows that it was understood by GF that the war was already lost before it had even started. It was just to see how good a top kingdom was so that one can prepare correctly in the future. How does one get better if they don't challenge the best to understand what it will take???
I'm always confused but it appears the top kd think that individuals deserve respect. As a top kd, the respect is given that you are good and coordinated at this game. Where the respect is lost is in your leadership much like the post below. A mid-tier kingdom sends ingame messages to opponent king to wish them well in the coming war and thank them for a war. The opposing kingdom replies much like below in a forum (not even ingame)... How do people go about respecting that type of person and individual?
And honestly, congrats to CR. They did as good as it was expected - just very surprised at the amount of sitters... So anyone that thinks there is whining, there isn't. Just would like Utopian to clean up the sitter option for the entire server!
Surprising how old people act when they are behind a screen... =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Godly
BTW, the king read and seen Dogly and Meeps reply, so the Kingdom name was changed to see how you whiners would react. Thanks for the reaction because that is what makes this game fun! =)
Goooooooo Godly!
The ass whooping is real, the salt is hilarious. They have been bottom feeding all age, glad to see this vulture session has backfired.
Pleased to see CR got rid of that silly Simian.
I've finally realized the difference between the "top" and the middle tier:
The "top" thinks they own this game and any attempt of war is personal.
The middle tier understand this is a war game and take it as that. Many friendships are made and respect is given to each other's kingdom before and after a war. So you can see from Dogly's reply about making friendly contact to try and reach out prior to war...
Anyways, good win and lessons learned from this war will only make us better! Thank you!
The attitude "that we own this game" exists on every tier. To a certain extent I think we all own this game IMO so /me shrugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by xXxFoBxXx
I'll tell you the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by xXxFoBxXx
The middle tier has it engrained in their heads that this is a war game.
The top understands that it's a strategy game.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
You are both right, and wrong. First of all the word "understand" is not really correct, as it implies there is a purpose to this game that you have to "understand" before being able to play it well. In my opinion the word "believe" might be more apt.Quote:
Originally Posted by xXxFoBxXx
The top tier believes that this is a strategy game with as ultimate goal land. Because of this every action in the game "matters". Winning a war while gaining less than you would win out of war is seen as "bad". Losing a war while gaining more is "good". Because whoring requires constant interaction with the server, and since it is highly competitive AND zero-sum (if you don't hit the fat ghetto human, your competitors will), top-KDs inevitably end up offending many people who don't like to be hit.
The warring tier believes that this is a strategy game with as ultimate goal "wars" or "action". They want a semblance of level playing field while still trying to get every advantage they can as soon as a war is agreed. Some warring tier cannot stand losing and will thus pump most of the age waiting for that perfect war to come along. Other warring tier are fine engaging any challenge and therefore war more but also lose more. It's this last group that can be annoying for the whoring tier, which is what happened here.
xXxFoBxXx KD: "Damned, noone in range wants to war us. Let's just wave CR and see where we end up" --> no sense of long-term ideas about the consequences of this conflict. The vague promise of "action" is enough.
CR reaction: "This ghetto is trying to mess with us on purpose because they think we're inactive, let's show them" --> because CR has a whoring mentality they reflect on the situation from their perspective. When everything you do matters and has thought behind it, it is hard to understand that some KDs simply don't have that, and are simply craving fun.
xXxFoBxXx's KD is then offended because they don't get why CR is offended, hence spiraling into a flame-fest on the uto forums. Most warring tier don't understand that if you play for "results/resources" rather than "gameplay/wars" the entire dynamics of the game change. The reason we as a KD moved out of the warring tier was that in the warring tier if a KD backed out of war or refused to war, there simply was no way to force them or get from them what you wanted --> war. In whoring tier that IS possible.
Now, the deeper causes of this rift between the two approaches is that one group of people wants to test their abilities to the max on a constant basis, both mechanics-wise and meta-wise. Missing a day of sci pump in YR2 could hurt you in YR4. The warring tier has way more catch-up logistics and missing a day of pump is no problem --> you simply take another fort cycle and then PM/wave for war.
The fact that they have categories speaks to a herd mentality. Guys like me would fit in the FSU mold except as an individual I don't initiate anyones ruin.
I'm not perplexed that war tier kingdoms that know top kingdoms will come knocking aren't prepared for the encounter. Either by diplomacy or hardened defiance, I see very little in the way of crossing this barrier.
Even out of shape and in the incorrect strat I completely grasp the top kingdom interests and act accordingly. Can't say the same for my colleagues. I'm not perplexed that they can strat to resist top incursions but insist on being meta specific to war tier. Vulnerable and incapable of retaliating with authority, we see their activity sag and their reputation fade.
Part of the reason I present a Virtual Kingdom template is to incorporate the concept of a challenge based culture. You can run a rainbow strat and win in this game. I have absolutely no doubt that strat could land crown, particularly now. I run backward ass strats almost every age and it works. It works against the meta.
I recently had a solid player sit my province and when I got back it was gleaming with improvements. It's beautiful I tell you. I thanked him and we talked and he was onto the macro/micro thing. I simply replied that I run slop all the time and do fine.
What I'm trying to say is that I'm not even trying and I'm holding my own just retaliating and not attacking unprovoked. Try it. Just running bad race/persona. Just running slop build strats. If the meta is the maximum then guys need to work on their insight. I shouldn't be in the same competitive field with any of you guys, but I am.
My advice is to stop looking down or looking for even fights and start aiming for the tough ones. Some of you have and I appreciate that. You will never be the majority so don't worry about a lively all out game with rockets flying in all directions.
I don't understand this drama llama
They waved us. I said **** it lets go 0/4 this age
People qq'd and set sitters
We ended up doing pretty well cause of a poker player stepping up
LG and I are divorcing cause he won't like my photos on facebook or admit to fapping to them
All y'all that get triggered by goldy need to think about your life choices
Pretty much what Bart said.
When you waved me, it was viewed from my point of view as a sign of disrespect. You were significantly smaller. You would have only won had we completely messed up. Even with very little activity we beat you easily. So basically when you waved us, it was very disrespectful as in "we don't believe you can beat us even with all of the advantages."
"We couldn't get any war so I told kd to buckle up for a rough ride with you guys, because you guys are always game! Much respect! Have fun and we expect to just survive this war! And thank you because already know you gonna drag hostile lol."
With respect to your message^, I had to get it translated by someone in the kingdom that speaks noob and he told me that you were **** talking me. Then you tried to take me down (Godly Gambit accepted) and thus it was double disrespect. Everyone knows that you decline the Godly Gambit.
Godly, you are a hero for the game!
Have to agree with Lampost. Godly, if CR ever disbands you have to join Sparta and get a taste of what a real clown fiesta is like! Only condition is you using the trump pic in our chat as avatar!
Edit: just want to say I meant no offense to anyone especially not the warring tier, whose goals are as valid as those of the whoring tier. I was merely analyzing not judging. having a lack of measurable end goals makes the game more exciting in many ways as your actions become less calculated and therefore more spontaneous, which in turn improves the game!
Dogly,Quote:
Originally Posted by Godly
My assumption is that English is probably not your first language, or you may not be as smart as you seem to suggest. Either case, I'll help explain that message to you. I'm sure others on here could properly explain that message without understanding the circumstances below. Bart has already explained it well in his post.
So to better explain the message that was sent you, all one had to do was look at kingdom power charts and see that we had 2 kingdoms below us that were within 90% (and both declined - any smaller and we knew it would be a waste to ask for a war). There were two kingdoms above us were much bigger: the one directly above us declined and forted, while the other decided to hit us twice when we poked them (which happened to be your kingdom). Since you hit back twice, it definitely meant you guys would be down for a fight. You guys having 115 million GC & many UB was definitely something we thought would be fun to try and overcome.
Honestly speaking, we don't give a F*CK who you are and we don't really care. We will war any kingdom within range when we feel down for a fight. But at the same time as suggested in the message sent, we don't aim for enemies. We just aim to have fun. And fun we did have in this war, so thank you!
Bart,Quote:
Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta
You being from the warring tier understand our position.
We don't play the politics BS, because we don't have time for it. We just wave bigger for war or be waved for war / CF, unless we can get a kingdom to agree to war. That is the way this game goes for us. All this other BS for crown etc is exactly that to us... BS...
I like GF on Fire, because they do as i would have done/have done in the past...
The fact that you feel its disrespectful to wave you tells more about you then them Godly, respect is earned, not demanded. You have now earned it for giving them a good war and showing you can win, but to demand it like a little kid because someone waves you when previous ages you been "top dog" is a very poor point, new age = new start, i doubt many if any in the warring tier cares how many crowns you got as individuals or as kd wide.
When i waved growth kingdoms in the past for sitting in eco build with no defense on big acres, i didnt do it out of disrespect i did it because it was fun for my kingdom, i knew we would lose as there was no way we would overcome the advantages a growth kingdom held even when not pumped/in warbuild, but as a kingdom we didnt care if we lost or won, or where in the charts we would end, it was fun plain and simple and we learned a lot as a kingdom.
I dont think many if any can beat CR if they are equal size and all active, some brilliant strategic minds there and all around huge amount of experience, thats where the respect should be and has been earned, but that doesnt mean people cant wave you.... The fact that you as "Girafs" bullied war tiers and demanded they warred you or you would raze them to the ground, speaks volume of how little respect you got for anyone else that you feel "beneath you"..
Let the trolling start O_o