Marine Le Pen Vs. Emmanuel Macron

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Originally Posted by Elldallan

Uhm no. For something to be a statement, or at least a meaningful statement it has to be distinguishable. If it fails to be distinguishable it's meaningless.
Because there is a third option(blank vote) you cannot reasonably claim to care if you are too lazy to go out and use that option to show that you find neither of the two candidates appealing.

Thus it's not my opinion but an objective fact, because as there explicitly exists an option for showing that you care but find either opponent unappealing. So not using using that option means you're too lazy to bother to go vote, and therefore not standing up and voicing your opinion that you find none of the candidates to be appealing. Unless of course you're willing but unable to go vote but with mail votes and early votes etc that's increasingly less of a plausible reason.

Now if voting blank wasn't an option(as for example there doesn't seem to be(to my knowledge) in the US presidential election) then not voting of course becomes more of a statement.

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Not showing isnt distinguishable? Them being lazy is your opinion since you dont know any of the reasons. You are still stuck in your own box where you assume your picture of the world is the only relevant one.

On a random fly by, but peeps might wanna reread what Strat0 just said in terms of social democracy and why it matters.

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Originally Posted by handofthrawn

France is a very nice place that I was able to visit a few times. On their current path they will become the next Egypt. What's really sad once Muslims become the majority they will do away with alcohol. Which means no more French wine. :(

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Possibly. They may.

That's one of the consequences of liberalism. That you have to fight for it and accept that greed ****s everyone in the end. :P

I would point out though, that I ****en despise you as a bigoted piece of ****.

Let's play nice.

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Originally Posted by makeo

I would point out though, that I ****en despise you as a bigoted piece of ****.

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Lololol

Ok done laughing, not sure how pointing out Egypt used to be a hot spot for tourism but now is a war torn unsafe environment to visit. Is the future France is headed towards. Alot of tourist have been killed in terrorist attacks over the last few years in France and they are still in a heightened state of alarm right now. How that makes me a bigot but I guess anyone that supports Trump is a bigot right, but that way of thinking makes you a bigot too Right. Now I am confused. Haha

Still waiting for that list handofthrawn.

In Canada, the usual equivalent of 'not voting' is just deliberately spoiling your ballot. The argument being made is much the same as Elldallan's: If we just don't show up, politicians will think we don't care, that we're disengaged. The counter-argument, at least for spoiled ballots, is, "Great, instead you'll be lumped in with the demographic too stupid to properly mark an X in a box."

But even where there is a mechanism for deliberately voting 'none of the above' (and in fact, Canada has such a thing, though it's little known), ultimately it's pointless.

Politicians bank on low turnout figures. It's easier to manipulate the final tally by targeting specific demographics and running a good ground game, when the overall turnout numbers are likely to be low anyways. By *not voting*, whether deliberately or not, what you are actually *doing* is relegating your voice to those who do - and, specifically, the largest group who do. And the message you send to the politicians - the one they will take home, every time - is "Work harder to make the people who *actually* vote happier."

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Originally Posted by handofthrawn

Lololol

Ok done laughing, not sure how pointing out Egypt used to be a hot spot for tourism but now is a war torn unsafe environment to visit. Is the future France is headed towards. Alot of tourist have been killed in terrorist attacks over the last few years in France and they are still in a heightened state of alarm right now. How that makes me a bigot but I guess anyone that supports Trump is a bigot right, but that way of thinking makes you a bigot too Right. Now I am confused. Haha

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You are a bigot because you don't understand that France is not under any greater attack than it ever has been or are capable of understanding that the overwhelming majority of Muslims are happy in a secular society.

I'll say it clearly. We live in the safest modern western times of ever. Even compared to my Irish bomb throwing childhood things are so safe. :P

Your claim that France will become a hot bed is facile.

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Originally Posted by makeo

You are a bigot because you don't understand that France is not under any greater attack than it ever has been or are capable of understanding that the overwhelming majority of Muslims are happy in a secular society.

I'll say it clearly. We live in the safest modern western times of ever. Even compared to my Irish bomb throwing childhood things are so safe. :P

Your claim that France will become a hot bed is facile.

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<3 Makeo

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Originally Posted by makeo

You are a bigot because you don't understand that France is not under any greater attack than it ever has been or are capable of understanding that the overwhelming majority of Muslims are happy in a secular society.

I'll say it clearly. We live in the safest modern western times of ever. Even compared to my Irish bomb throwing childhood things are so safe. :P

Your claim that France will become a hot bed is facile.

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+1.