Elf/heretic

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Originally Posted by Relswick8619

With thief sci nerfed some I think a half heretic can hold up enough on the thief side, and me personally ive always believed in using majority of steal on a thief on hitters tho of course some on mages. Aw is pretty good but I would rather a rogue aw a mage then disable a hitter in the various ways they do. Yes u can win wars with tms but in most wars hitters still carry the day and an elf heretic or half heretic should be really good at hitter control. I'll prolly get flamed some for this post but o well I've fought in plenty of wars too and while I fear chains even tho it's fun to try to hold it I don't fear anything from a rogue or mage more then annoyance. If I was a mage only I would fear rogues some, but I'm not a mage only and even after aw can spell hitters who is I want to spell anyway mostly

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A good war kingdom will have separation of duties. If your halfer rogues are having to ns/prop attackers, you are probably going to lose. If you are relying on heretics to do anything other than ns/riot/steal resources, then you should re-evaluate your race/personality combos and pick something better suited to your needs. You are correct: heavy hitters rule in war time. Every good war kingdom will do everything it can to drop the enemy's top MOs so that your TMs become UB (unbreakable). Heretics are great at controlling enemy heavy hitters: steal their war horses when their army returns, keep riots up to limit income, NS the crap out of a prov before you chain it, etc etc. They also play the role of econ control via FBs/greed/storms/etc and can be used to ET the enemy's potent halfer/rogues. It is a balancing act. If you aren't afraid of enemy halfer/rogues as a heretic, then you haven't played against a coordinated kingdom with good rogues. There is not very much an enemy can do to a heretic that is worse than GA WTs followed by x30 prop and x20 AW. My only point is you *should not* ever rely on mtpa as a defense against thievery. It will end very badly for you if your enemy is decent :P

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Originally Posted by HerpNDerp

A good war kingdom will have separation of duties. If your halfer rogues are having to ns/prop attackers, you are probably going to lose. If you are relying on heretics to do anything other than ns/riot/steal resources, then you should re-evaluate your race/personality combos and pick something better suited to your needs. You are correct: heavy hitters rule in war time. Every good war kingdom will do everything it can to drop the enemy's top MOs so that your TMs become UB (unbreakable). Heretics are great at controlling enemy heavy hitters: steal their war horses when their army returns, keep riots up to limit income, NS the crap out of a prov before you chain it, etc etc. They also play the role of econ control via FBs/greed/storms/etc and can be used to ET the enemy's potent halfer/rogues. It is a balancing act. If you aren't afraid of enemy halfer/rogues as a heretic, then you haven't played against a coordinated kingdom with good rogues. There is not very much an enemy can do to a heretic that is worse than GA WTs followed by x30 prop and x20 AW. My only point is you *should not* ever rely on mtpa as a defense against thievery. It will end very badly for you if your enemy is decent :P

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Agreed which why as heretic I handle ns riots and steals along with fbs and nms, the 2 rogues have aw and prop duties. I should also add it's betterrible they aw me then our ms guy, so my spell work prolly may take a hit early in war but it prolongs the mystics wiz life for more ms. We actually lost an ms person and still need ns riot steal person so I may go faery heretic, that way I got cs and invis plus ms and so on