People hit into wars now for safety. I believe Octo recommends it. Most ghettos forget and don't revisit the issue. Helps if they get wrecked and are oor to hit back by the time they're out!Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
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People hit into wars now for safety. I believe Octo recommends it. Most ghettos forget and don't revisit the issue. Helps if they get wrecked and are oor to hit back by the time they're out!Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Octo was hitting into wars when we were in Thundercats. I'm sure it's all elementary to him. The rest of the world clings to resources which upsets kingdom logic.
Just to let you know we aren't bullying them
We waved them on February 9 of YR4, and gave them the button they started a dragon on us February 11 of YR4 Heavenly UA (2:20) has begun a Gold Dragon project, Mitzi, against us! ( there was only 200k different in nw, and the were larger then us in acres)
On April 9 i sent the stwert a msg
Game Date April 9 of YR4
Real Date Fri, 8 Dec at 02:04 GMT+00:00
Sender Lord KingSlayer XIII the Hero of Casterly Rock (6:18)
Recipient Knight Vil the Undying of NGC 7293 -The Helix (2:20)
Subject Send the cf
On
April 18 of YR4 Heavenly UA (2:20) has proposed a formal ceasefire with our kingdom. (There stwert)
We received one but
April 19 of YR4 Heavenly UA (2:20) has withdrawn their ceasefire proposal. (The king)
They then offered a war to 8:6 a kingdom that was bigger then us after having the button for two day
Then we get this msg
Game Date April 21 of YR4
Real Date Fri, 8 Dec at 14:40 GMT+00:00
Sender King Puck the Chivalrous of Sirius (2:20)
Recipient Lord KingSlayer XIII the Hero of Casterly Rock (6:18)
Subject You think this is cool?
Message to all in 6:18
Your kingdom started a wave on us (2:20) a few days back.
At the time our networth difference was 3.6M vs 3.1M
I told your monarch very early that we were not interested and to move on.
We are now at war with another kingdom.
This cancels all other hostile relations.
Your monarch seems to be acting out of spite, and is now ordering you to attack into a war you are not involved with.
I suggest convincing your monarch to move on.
You seem to be a kingdom that stays together.
Be sensible and consider the time in the future when we are 20% bigger than you.
How would you like to be treated?
I replied
Game Date April 23 of YR4
Real Date Fri, 8 Dec at 16:13 GMT+00:00
Sender Lord KingSlayer XIII the Hero of Casterly Rock (6:18)
Recipient King Puck the Chivalrous of Sirius (2:20)
Subject Re:You think this is cool?
It very simple accept the cf and we will move on
Then we sent one to them to make it easier for them to accept
April 22 of YR4 We have proposed a ceasefire offer to Heavenly UA (2:20).
The king replies
Game Date April 23 of YR4
Real Date Fri, 8 Dec at 16:17 GMT+00:00
Sender King Puck the Chivalrous of Sirius (2:20)
Recipient Lord KingSlayer XIII the Hero of Casterly Rock (6:18)
Subject Re:You think this is cool?
It's simple if you want to see the world through the eyes of a schoolyard bully.
You have no relations with us.
We haven't attacked you.
Our kingdoms are mismatched in size.
Just move on.
I replied
Game Date April 24 of YR4
Real Date Fri, 8 Dec at 17:18 GMT+00:00
Sender Lord KingSlayer XIII the Hero of Casterly Rock (6:18)
Recipient King Puck the Chivalrous of Sirius (2:20)
Subject Re:You think this is cool?
Just cause you dont see the hostility doesn't mean its not there if you would like us to move on accept the cf or we are force to go for the auto cf
The the msg from the king stops
I sent out the mass messages may 9
I also explained to multiple of his kd mates that all we ask for is the cf cause after their War we didn't want them coming back with the button
we're not trying to bully but would you leave open hostilities for 3 days and gave them multiple opportunities for cf
And by the way I'm Casterly Rock
And boom goes the dynamite.
Good lord, this guy is whining in the forums now? If you think what we're doing should be considered "bullying" then so be it. We're going to bully them into giving us a CF, like any other KD that understood game mechanics would. We gave button in our initial wave back in Feb Yr4, and started a dragon while watching them start and cancel their own beast. Since then it's been nothing but their monarch whining about how we should just go away and let him keep the button indefinitely. Surely he can't think we would turn our backs now that the meter is above 50 pts (it was at 40 pts when the stew finally tried to sneak us a CF before the monarch immediately cancelled it...). Btw, our CF agreement has been sitting in 2:20's inbox for the last 3 days, and will sit there until one of three things happens:
1. They accept CF.
2. They offer their own CF in return.
3. We finally reach the auto-CF meter cap.
Of course you shouldn't hit into war, we're getting into arguments without ourselves because our own provinces don't want to participate. Which is why it's taking so long for us to reach the cap and get the auto-CF. If you want the hits to stop before we reach the cap, then vote out your juvenile monarch and accept our CF or send us one under your own terms. Your monarch is spiteful, and we aren't going to allow your KD to stab us in the back the moment we attempt to move on.
PS: if you didn't want to war us because we were out of your range, why would you then turn to war a KD even bigger than us?
PPS: Before we talk about "breaking the unwritten rules", let's talk about breaking the ACTUAL rules first. Conspiring WW's for favors?
Game Date July 8 of YR4
Real Date Mon, 11 Dec at 1:40 GMT+00:00
Sender Lord b1g the Rogue of b1g (2:20)
Recipient Lord KingSlayer XIII the Hero of Casterly Rock (6:18)
Subject Re:Why you no cf?
Hi, Just a heads up that our **** *** king is trying to recruit kds to help him attack and hurt you guys. For some reason he has it out for you guys, and he is so **** he thinks we are winning this war???? He is holding out withdrawing as he wants to make 8:6 help hit you guys in return for us surrendering. I am getting out of here asap Goodluck
<Edited - Reason: Personal Attack>
There is no auto-cf.
Any use of the oow surrender function in-game is dependent on 4 factors:
1. The two kingdoms cannot be in range of warring one another (First strike against your plan)
2. The two kingdoms must be at 100 points variance (Will you have the activity to maintain this in the face of daily meter decay when it approaches that point?)
3. The surrendering kingdom cannot have made a hit in the previous 12 hours (this one at least they have likely met)
4. The surrendering kingdom actively has to use the Surrender option (it's not automatic, it's a choice they need to make)
As you can see, your plan to rely on the surrender mechanic is flawed on at least two of the 4 points. Time for a new plan?
We are open to suggestions we don't want to keep hitting these dude's were not just hitting them just to hit them we want to move on we just want a cf
1. We are out of range now. (159% currently)
2. That's only 9 attacks a day...
3. You're correct.
4. We realize this, but hope it will open their monarch's eyes when he's to the point he has the surrender button available. One can dream.
They're getting stomped in their fake war, but if they actually turned it into a win they could easily outstrip us and retaliate before they lost the button (especially if they were able to conspire with their war opponent like the king is apparently attempting). We're in a position where we would have to sit on our hands for a week before we dropped hostile, or trust him not to press it and catch us with our pants down later. What would you recommend we do?
Apologies on point 1. Haven't looked recently, was just going on the NWs given in the thread. And 9 attacks a day is still not a given for some less organised kds.
Your plan also leaves you vulnerable to outside kds that aren't necessarily going to have read this thread, instead just seeing an easy wave on a kd that apparently has its armies out against a kd that isn't going to/can't fight back. Even by my fairly old-school position on hostiles, that would be a legit move.
As for what you should do... well, you've kinda made your beds at this point. The other kd is obviously not going to use the cf you've offered any time soon, yet you have continued to up the meter by hitting into the war. You can either move on, attempt to grow enough that even if they win they won't have an advantage, and then continue after the war, or you can continue to waste troops and resources hitting into a war in the knowledge you're leaving yourself exposed to many other fronts.
What I would do in your shoes given the situation would be to attempt some proper diplomacy rather than threatening them, and ask them what it would take to get them to accept the cf and negotiate from there from a position of strength.
Also, if you believe the opposing kingdom is breaking the rules by conspiring to throw the war in return for outside help, I would strongly suggest you report your suspicions, along with any evidence, to utopiasupport@utopia-game.com, and the devs will investigate further and if necessary, action the appropriate parties.
Thanks for giving the other side 6:18. Based on the new information I think your position is reasonable and I am not sure why 2:20 is complaining. It seems clear that 2:20's monarch didn't understand the game mechanics and thought relations actually went away permanently with war, hence didn't see any purpose in CFing (or wanted to pretend that was the case, at least - it's getting hard to know which bits are misrepresentations at this point).
My only additional suggestion would be write an unemotional message setting out what has happened and the current position (ie explain why you need a CF etc) and send it to all of 2:20 suggesting they encourage their monarch to accept the CF or offer their own one, or elect a new monarch to do so. If you think their war is braking the rules, I would report them.
@2:20 - I'm open to hearing if what 6:18 just said misrepresented the situation somehow. But if not it's a shame that you came to the forum complaining and then misrepresented the situation.
I'm in 220 and would just like to say that I have never noticed anything fishy about our current war. As far as I'm aware there is no evidence other than the personal message of a disgruntled player who disagreed with our king on current war status, then threatened to leave, king said if you must, then he says he'll stay to help until war concludes, meanwhile sends this wild story to 618 monarch.
As far as the ceasefire issue, we decided to war another kd. We had a choice and we picked the other kd. Tough luck that happens to us all the time with our desired targets. The core of our kd has now soured to the option of offering a cf out of principal. Ppl generally are not appreciative of the other monarch sending out nonsensical threats over personal mails. We are just some casual dudes trying to enjoy the game.
Seems like a situation that would been easily avoided by 6:18 if they would just let them be, the meter would have decayed and problem solved. Instead of doing that they give more points to the meter and forcing them what they believed being the right path hitting into war.
It might be commonplace in the top 30 to diplo through CF, but in the lower tier most CFs, non-CFs and simply ignoring the meter is commonplace. This is why I'm inclined to appreciate 2:20s position over 6:18.
The manner of hitting into wars because of the meter isn't something that you see in the lower rankings unless it's retirement FSU kingdoms. I could name those on 2 fingers. It's not that I don't see 6:18s point but that it's nearly irrelevant where they're playing.
I'm not sure I follow this part of your logic. I would accept your starting point that it is common to ignore the meter in parts of the lower tier (I'm not sure I would say from 31 down but let's skip that point for now), but I'm not sure how it follows to say that 6:18's point is irrelevant. ie, just because other KDs take the risk that a KD will delcare on them later, doesn't mean 6:18 should do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by StratOcastle
WE're not talking complicated diplomacy here - just 2 KDs that should have agreed a CF far earlier to suit both of their interests.
This may be a fair point too. I'm not sure we have been given enough information to know what the meter was at the point where 6:18 monarch / steward saw the message from 2:20 saying they wouldn't war and/or the point where 2:20 went into another war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
A point everyone seems to forget is that 6:18 when I had dealings with them a few years back, and also in this case it sounds like, are so afraid to lose wars that they wave way smaller kingdoms. I'd go so far as to call it cyber bullying since they went after my old kingdom like 4 ages in a row like this and they'll continue to hit even if you are fast to tell them you don't want war or offer a blank cf. They'll even break cf's to come at you again if they feel you are getting to close for comford so you can't really trust them either. Same team, same monarch and steward. There is no way this undermanned 2,6 million nw kingdom can come after a kingdom at 4,2 million nw, and hitting into their wars speaks more about the agressor than the defender.
From what we can tell there have been no/barely no attacks from 2:20 against 6:18 judging from posts from both 2:20 and 6:18. I assume just that since its a ghetto world they live in they believe that they can get away with more crap than usually. This kind of behaviour would rarely happen in the upper echelons cause everyone realize its just a waste of time. They would just CF and move on. I have notice this on several ocassions as playing in a tiny ghetto kingdom this age that is always the bigger aggressor that wants the smaller one to send a CF. Like they want to decide when enough is enough. If it was in 6:18 interest they should have sent a CF early on and moved on and they actually might have gotten at least 1 war this age. Now they just have been wasting time digging themselves into a position where they have to waste more and more time. Also create more bad will against them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris121
I'm missing something I think: what were relations between the two KDs when the small KD went to war?
If relations were such that they would have decayed enough that the small KD would have lost the button on big KD within 6 days (by the time they came OOW), then I'd have thought the big KD could just drop it.
If relations were such that the small KD would still have button on the big KD when they came OOW, then I understand trying to force a CF out of them.
Both monarchs here have wasted the time of everyone in their KDs.
Monarch of big KD seems to have been trying to wave his nuts in the air to show off how big they were, expecting small KD to roll over. Now he's gotten his KD stuck and is trying to retroactively justify his KD waving into war using the 'relations' excuse (which I believe is situationally-valid, although this case could have been sorted out better).
Monarch of small KD is being petulant and refusing to CF simply out of spite/pride. This is causing his KD to suffer, and I imagine they are unlikely to win their current war (assuming both KDs are pretty even, but one of those KDs is taking a bunch of oow hits). It seems he had several opportunities to accept CF, or to have sent one and left it to be accepted when mon of big KD logged in. But it seems ego and frustration prevailed on his part, and now his KD is taking a beating.
I'd chalk this one up to a learning experience for both monarchs. LS in Utopia generally doesn't suit ego or emotion (although you could make an argument that the majority of top, competitive KDs are mostly motivated by ego).
The question remains: why not just CF now? The response 'well, why should we?' is fine to give, although it comes from an emotional place and is ultimately unsatisfactory if the focus is on fixing the problem ASAP, rather than on judging the 'ethics' of the problem. But if this thread was started as a discussion about the 'rightness' or 'wrongness' of this course of action, then I assume the easy-CF option is somewhat unpalatable.
Remember that there's still 8 weeks of the age left. Patience is good.
2:20 responded to me after first wave and said no war to which I responded send cf. I have been trying to get a cf since day one and yet here we are. We want no part in hitting another kingdom in war, but due to hostility meter being as high as it is we have no choice. I have made numerous attempts to speak with the monarch of 220 to no avail. These guys started a dragon on us during our first wave and then cancelled it. We saw war as a possibility which is why we ran up meter as high as we did. Then I get a message from monarch saying no war, and I responded immediately "send cf". They never sent cf so we kept hitting thinking that war was imminent. Then days later they jump in a war and tell us to move on. I explained that we will be happy to move on once we get a cf, the king refused and said that hostilities are erased once one kingdom enters war. I explained to him that is not the case and once he is out of war the meter will still be high enough to have button for at least another 4 days. We could not simply move on and have the possibility of them catching us with our pants down. This isn't rocket science, all we want is a Cf to move on. We have no problem meeting later in the age on a more level playing field. This is ridiculous, we are wasting time and recources all because this guy doesn't want to accept cf for whatever reason. I even sent him a Cf to make it that much easier for him and it is still sitting there. I have been in contact with most of his kingdom and the kingdom he is at war with and it seems pretty obvious that most don't agree with him. At one point they sent a Cf but it was open for a total of 1 hour ( I think there steward secretly sent it and the king took it off the table when he saw it). At the time the cf was sent it was 3am and I did not see it until I woke up 3 hours later. We are not trying to be bullies, all we want is a Cf.
-Rhaegar Targaryen
DEVOLORIAN
Fire and Blood
6:18 are saying above that they did send a CF, but 2:20 didn't accept it (I think at that point, that was because the monarch of 2:20 didn't understand the purpose, as he thought hostilities were reset by war). I can't verify if that is true, but 2:20 haven't yet denied it. It seems to be the case, though, that 6:18 didn't send their CF until 22 April, which is some delay from the wave of 9 Feb. But noone has really shared enough info about what happened in between to make a judgement on that, IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
6:18 said above that when they waved 2:20, 2:20 were bigger in acres and 6:18 were only 200k bigger in nw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Madchess
Again, I haven't verified that myself.
As I've just made a few comments which are to some extent in favour of 6:18, I will add that I have no idea who they are and I have no connection with them (or 2:20).
But that was several days later, if the wave was in February and they sent a CF in April its not very early is it? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris121
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhaegar
So, if they already responded after first wave with no war why would you keep hitting? Ie, you are digging just your own grave, knowingly very well that you wont get a war yet you keep adding points to the meter. But how come you cant send a CF? your CF button is broken? You talk about wanting a CF but not once did you offer a CF until several days later. After their messages of not wanting to war, send a CF = problem solved.
Please can one of the KDs post the complete chronology. Telling us that things happened "immediately" doesn't massively help as we don't know whether that is meant to be taken literally or not.
To make proper judgement we need to be able to see (a) when attacks took place (b) what times messages were sent and received (c) what time 2:20's war started.
I do appreciate that you didn't ask for our assessment and may not want it - but 2:20 did bring this to the forum...
From the information in this thread and munk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris121
6:18 waved 2:20 Feb 9th, at that time stats were following
6:18
Acres: 16475
Networth: 3,7 million
2:20
Acres: 14652
Networth: 3,2
Then what we can assume during some time in Feb 2:20 sent a message telling "No war" ofc we dont know how many attacks been made at that point (probably not that many both being ghettos)
April 4th 2:20 entered war with 8:6
April 18th CF was sent by 2:20 but revoked the tick after 19th
April 22th 6:18 sent a CF proposal to 2:20
Even with all talks about 6:18 wanting a CF with 2:20 they havent sent one single CF proposal until 22th 18 hours into 2:20 war. From my experince of ghettoing around it feels like 6:18 believe they have the right to enter the CF at their own terms, ie get as much as acres as possible before accepting a CF and then move on. And if they wouldnt made anymore attacks after the initial wave (this ofc depends on when they got the messages of 2:20 not wating to war) the meter would have surely decayed until April 4th and for sure when 2:20 got oow again. So the pretens that they cant move on without ending relations is a self created problem and could have been easily avoided
Disclaimer, i made some assumptions about amount of attacks and time some messages were sent but those are reasoanble guesses.
This repetitive, blind personal attack sounds a little ridiculous don't you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Madchess
1. Your "few years back" sob story with no evidence speaks more about your ability to hold a grudge than our lack of ethics.
2. Cyber bullying? Really? It's a game about warring kingdoms and you're going to call getting waved once an age by the same KD bullying? Grow up.
3. If you send the CF, generally speaking we'd accept it after the rest of our KD gets a piece (within an hour or two, we're not monsters). In this specific case, they did not send a CF AND they started a dragon. Naturally we assumed it was a stall tactic so we kept up the pressure. Hindsight 20/20, we should have sent CF right away and let them go hide in a bush and complain on the forums.
4. I've been with this KD for 5 years, and I only remember a single instance of us breaking a CF without prior discussion of war terms. It was a surprise attack against a KD that had been harassing us earlier in the age, and we wanted to give them their just desserts. So if that KD was you, I'm happy you remember the bloodbath. It was a fun eoa war.
5. You're projecting your victimhood onto this "undermanned 2,6 million nw kingdom". They weren't undermanned a few days ago, but their poor leadership has caused a few provs to abandon in the last week. If you read the previous comments you would know that our NW gap was well within war range at the time of the first wave, and they had more land. Pretending we're just picking on the little guy is a false narrative.
6. We finally have our CF, so all other points are moot.
Chris121: The meter was around 20 when they said no war, but then they started a dragon and cancelled it a couple hrs later. We then requested a CF but were given orders to keep the pressure up until they sent it. 3 days later the meter was around 40 and they jumped into another war and refused to give us a CF, because the monarch either truly believed war wiped relations, or just wanted to trick us. So our stew sent them an ultimatum to give us the CF within 3 hrs or we would raze into their war (the first post).
Isnt that a bit comically consider your wild accusations about cheating with no actual proof besides one player claiming that someone cheated?Quote:
1. Your "few years back" sob story with no evidence speaks more about your ability to hold a grudge than our lack of ethics.
No, what he is saying that you always target smaller kingdoms which is the bullying part. You dont seem to have the balls nor the skills to war kingdoms your own size nor bigger kingdoms (well obvious from your lack of wars this age)Quote:
2. Cyber bullying? Really? It's a game about warring kingdoms and you're going to call getting waved once an age by the same KD bullying? Grow up.
They were still smaller, 500k nw and roughly 2k acres, you shouldnt have any issues finding kingdoms at your own size at your tier so why just targetting smaller kingdoms?Quote:
5. You're projecting your victimhood onto this "undermanned 2,6 million nw kingdom". They weren't undermanned a few days ago, but their poor leadership has caused a few provs to abandon in the last week. If you read the previous comments you would know that our NW gap was well within war range at the time of the first wave, and they had more land. Pretending we're just picking on the little guy is a false narrative
Why cant you send a CF? Whats the problem? You already knew they didnt want to war? You knew from the begining that they diddnt want to have a have a war and you kept attack, the problem is all your side. Handling things badly.Quote:
Chris121: The meter was around 20 when they said no war, but then they started a dragon and cancelled it a couple hrs later. We then requested a CF but were given orders to keep the pressure up until they sent it. 3 days later the meter was around 40 and they jumped into another war and refused to give us a CF, because the monarch either truly believed war wiped relations, or just wanted to trick us. So our stew sent them an ultimatum to give us the CF within 3 hrs or we would raze into their war (the first post).
@Korp: thanks for the summary - that is helpful (I know it's just publicly available info but you took the time to collate it form the mess of this thread and Munk, and that helps).
@sirdante77: thanks. I guess we would need to understand exactly when it went from 20 to 40 in comparison to the diplo that was going on. I understand continuing to hit when they started a dragon because it wouldn't be clear what they were doing, but at some point after that they said no war.
@Both KDs - well done for reaching a CF. There are probably some learning points all around since you both ended up wasting a lot of time and effort getting to the same point that could have been reached a while ago.
Yes we decided it was a lost cause and we're ready to move on. I hope what you say here is true. Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris121
This is the first time I've ever said this, but I agree with Korp.
If you want to find more wars, and you genuinely mean that - and I mean GENUINELY, not the 'wah, we want to find wars we WILL win by waving smaller kds!' - it's actually very easy: wave big, tough KDs. Waving a KD approx 15-20% smaller than you at time of wave (so, assuming a comfortable 20-25% smaller after wave, with way less off, not in war builds, huge casualties from their wave, scrambling to respond and get people online to wave, etc...) just gives you every single advantage possible, and you surely know that no ghetto is going to war you from that far behind and with that many disadvantages. Come on, toughen up. I know Devolorian to be a reasonably ambitious, decent warring KD, but this pattern of wave-behaviour seems to paint a picture of a KD who only wants to war when they hold all the cards.
being smaller in nw but bigger in acres means 2:20 was considderable more landfat at less ready for a war no matter how those figures looked like.
I've had them wave for more than a day when I had 3 provinces who did not look like they had trained anything along with 1-2 big explorers that almost certainy only had defense, playing in a scrub kingdom does not mean that you'll overlook such things, and I most certainly told them we was not going to war within a few hours at most.
At initially wave feb 9th they were smaller in both nw and acres (2:20 that is based on the figures from munk)Quote:
Originally Posted by Madchess
We have been assembled for over 40 ages.. we have never had to attack a kingdom in war before to get a cf. We are far from bullies and try to be as respectful as possible. The whole situation was self inflicted, the king just didn't understand how the hostility meter works. We are a GLORIFIED ghetto that has climbed the warring ranks numerous times. We don't just target smaller kingdoms and have had some damn good wars with well known kingdoms through out the ages
If you wouldnt have made more hits after the initial wave the meter would have decayed. Or just sent a CF that would have solved the problem but I guess its more fun to hit a kingdom that dont fight back and just waste more days instead of looking for a new war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhaegar
Must have missed the last page, good to see the numbers put on the table which suggests they are still waving 20% down, I mentioned that number already in my first post here, just goes to show I do not have that bad of a memory after all, and that old habits die hard.
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@korp we don't just target smaller kingdoms.. you obviously are misinformed. That's neither here nor there, regardless in all my ages as a monarch (age 0) I have never had to send a Cf for a kingdom that we are waving. Usually a kingdom would send cf immediately to stop bleeding as fast as possible. Instead these guys waited, started a dragon, cancelled the dragon, then wrote me a private message saying
Sender King Rhaegar Targaryen XXXI the Sorcerer of Dragonstone (6:18)
Recipient King Puck the Chivalrous of Sirius (2:20)
Subject Re:Really? Really
Send cf >
King Puck the Chivalrous of Sirius (2:20) said: > > Just saw you'd started a dragon.
If we were a bit bigger, I'd say it was a good match.
We are not though.
There is zero chance of a war and a good chance of you wasting resources.
Please rethink this.
We started waving Feb 9
They started a dragon Feb 11 and responded saying no war feb 11
We have had kingdoms in the past say no war then turn around and hit button.
I wasn't on when wave began and didn't come on until March 3 by that time we already had 16 attacks
I don't bother with the forums. Never have. Actually, my steward posted this forum information in WhatsApp so I felt obligated to respond. It wasn't easy figuring out all my log on info for this but I got it done. Probably won't post in this forum again for another 15 years after this.. lol post like this are why I avoid this nonsense. I am just not one for back and forth bologna over the internet.
So you want a CF but you refuse to send a CF yourself and demand the other side to send a CF. You realize how dumb that sounds? I take Age 0 is some sort of typing error. Cause there is nobody that you been a monarch since 98.
No 2000.. I was a 13 year old king on swirve.com
Why would I send a Cf to someone I am waving? That's like showing an enemy how to hold there hands to block when I'm punching him in the face.
So you were just lying when you said you wanted a CF? Okey, now we know what level you are on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhaegar