How did USA become such a messed up country?

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Originally Posted by scorpio86

Economy.

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The U.S. economy is about to tank. It has been on life-support for a long time.

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Originally Posted by scorpio86

I name it?
Assistance to the world as a whole.

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Where did you get those Rose-colored glasses. It would take alot of explaining. But there are things the U.S. does that most people believe are very good things. The reality is that these things are extremely bad. The U.S. is the worst thing to ever happen to the world.

To the original question, Where did it all go wrong. Humans are not designed to live under a government like a Republic. It never works. Never. I said NEVER. The moment you create a Republic it begins to attract evil corrupt people. They can easily take control of a country in a short time and any freedom you thought you had goes out the window. The Republic then seeks to expand its power though it ceased being a republic at that point, having become a Plutarchy Masquarading as a Republic to keep the people in line. Then they decide to form a Union with other Republics to gain even more power for the people running the show. The States (COUNTRIES) joined together to form the Union. And it was thoroughly evil. The Souther nations tried to leave, forced to form their own Union to be strong enough to resist the Norths power. A war was forced by the North, it was not necessary and 700,000 Americans were killed. Now most people think that war was over slavery which is a total lie. Since the Civil War... all U.S. citizens are slaves.
Where did it go wrong? It was born wrong. Born a republic, doomed to failure from conception. The people may have had good intentions and they paved one Hell of a road.
The Nation States should have become Kingdoms which cannot become corrupted nearly as easy. This is the natural state of man. If your King is a really bad man, kill him. But they apparently couldn't pull that off. Often the Heir gets the hint. Usually Kings are good and care about their people. His Imperial Majesty Achaeos hopes to see the system reinvigorated and the people awakened from their braiwashed condition which makes them hate Monarchies for no good reason. If enough people wake up and join the Empire, many Kingdoms may be created in it. And the result, 900,000 years from now, humanity will still live, having survived great catastrophe thanks to the Emperor.

troll post is troll.

hes slightly right on the slavery part but mostly bull. the war was over cotton, not slaves. the north couldnt compete with the slaves in the south.norathern states had laws to prevent slavery the south didnt. if the war was over slavery they would have been better off after the war not worse.i had to study this once and the info would suprize you. masters normaly didnt hurt or kill thier slaves.no slave masters were the devil but slaves were very expencive. even picking one up in louisiana in todays dollors would be arround 36,000.so if you abused them to bad or killed them you were out all that money.vs after the war they just picked them up and payed them such low money a dog couldnt live on much less a person.
when there was a problem with them they hanged or beat them to near death. they couldnt get away with that in pre cival war times because of the ammount of money they would lose.the only former slaves that did ok are the ones that moved to northern states.

i looked it up years ago a good slave from L.A in about 1860 was arround 900$. in baton rouge L.A paper in 1860 i found new Colt Walker revolvers selling for 21.50$. simular gun today would be a colt single attaction 3rd generation selling between 925$ and 1125$ depending on options and finish

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Originally Posted by Azartyn

Obviously you people that dont live in the US have no clue how many welfare programs we have here and what amount money it costs people. There are over 40million people on food stamps. Don't get me wrong, I understand people need a hand every once in a while but people live off this their whole life. Another thing you ignorant people have no clue is about the tax structure in the US. Over 48% of the people contribute NOTHING to income taxes and a lot of them actually get a REFUND even though they contribute NOTHING. Our corporate income tax rate is the HIGHEST IN THE WORLD. The government even taxes you and family when YOU DIE(aka a death tax). We pay approximately .48/gal of TAX to the federal government who do NOTHING but cause oil companies problems. Also, you people talking about "alternative energy" it is not feasible and cost twice as much if not more. Let me say this very clear for you ignorant people.....the GOVERNMENT, especially the current administration is doing NOTHING but making things HARDER for people and is trying to turn the US into Greece. Debate me with facts to prove me wrong NOT opinion. If you can.

Oh and Stoffi...you are so full of s**t about if you are born into poverty you will stay there. People born into poverty here CHOOSE to stay there and game the system. In what country do you know where someone in poverty has a flat screen TV hanging on the wall, driving around in a Cadillac carrying a cell phone. Yeah, sounds like poverty to me. Hard work and personal responsibility will get you out of poverty. Have facts please instead of conjecture and just flat out ignorance.

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You can easily be rich in America if you have no morals. You going to say that I am without facts, and, I am going to tell you that I've traveld the country and I have always struggled to find work. When I do find work I take it. But the work I find is never long lasting or stable. I've gone to soo many places in search of work... I've been turned down by every Walmart I've applied for. I've applied to at least 10 different ones and 2 of them I applied for over three years. You going to tell me I am without facts because I cannot prove anything, and, I'm going to respond that you are only calling me a liar, in a round a bout way. If I have anything (like the ability to type this information to you) its because I do work when I can work. The only people I see with a lot of money do things that would violate my morals.

I grow so tired of stereo typing people with beards calling them lazy and worthless bums. I think men without beards look like Women. But I would never give them trouble about this --deny them work. I am totally anti gay, but, I've had many gay friends that would never have known I was. I really believe in live and let live". I think as long as you are not doing something that effects the health of the those around you, drastically hurt the earth -- or some other major bad thing, you should be allowed to work, without being F%$ with. I do not think you should have to brown noise just to earn your daily needs.

Why to people keep trying to whitewash the slave trade and practice? Slavery was horrible, and the South has been trying to play that "slavery wasn't all bad" meme for 150+ years because there are still people gullible enough to buy into it. It's only true that the North didn't really care about the slaves, or at most cared very little even if they supported abolition on moral grounds as a reasonable person would.

This thread has been a riot... I'll have to check into some things... But I have to say... I see no pride in being American. I have no facts, but, I've long suspected Canada did/ is better then the USA.. but I'm sure it has/had its share of issues, as well.

If I was American I would have great pride in my countries history. They have done more great things over the last 200 years then any other country! They have also created lots of problems. But hey we are arguing about them on something they invented (the internet).

If you want to argue that America has been bad for the world then fly over to Canada on an airplane (invented in america) and let me know in person. Or call me on a telephone (american invention, as much as canada trys to take credit)

The fact is America has a ton to be proud of. I think everyone should to some extent love the country they live in. National pride does a ton to get things done that cannot be done without volunteers and hard work.

Anyway I do not support some of americas past military moves, but on the other hand I do support some of them. I think their healthcare is being improved upon under barrack and I do believe as times get worst they will become more socialist then they are now, which to me is a good thing. But a huge part of what has allowed America to be a manufacturing power and innovative nation is its capitalist back bone. It might not be good for the lower class but it is what brought us transportation/internet/cell phones. etc.

If you want to sit here and argue that a place as unimportant to the world economy as norway, and how norway runs its economy (exporting natural resources) is the pillar in which we should all strive for you can continue to do so. I am glad you love your country. But it would not work in the USA because their economy is based on innovation and manufacturing, not selling oil.

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Originally Posted by Priest of H.I.M. Achaeos

The U.S. economy is about to tank. It has been on life-support for a long time.


Where did you get those Rose-colored glasses. It would take alot of explaining. But there are things the U.S. does that most people believe are very good things. The reality is that these things are extremely bad. The U.S. is the worst thing to ever happen to the world.

To the original question, Where did it all go wrong. Humans are not designed to live under a government like a Republic. It never works. Never. I said NEVER. The moment you create a Republic it begins to attract evil corrupt people. They can easily take control of a country in a short time and any freedom you thought you had goes out the window. The Republic then seeks to expand its power though it ceased being a republic at that point, having become a Plutarchy Masquarading as a Republic to keep the people in line. Then they decide to form a Union with other Republics to gain even more power for the people running the show. The States (COUNTRIES) joined together to form the Union. And it was thoroughly evil. The Souther nations tried to leave, forced to form their own Union to be strong enough to resist the Norths power. A war was forced by the North, it was not necessary and 700,000 Americans were killed. Now most people think that war was over slavery which is a total lie. Since the Civil War... all U.S. citizens are slaves.
Where did it go wrong? It was born wrong. Born a republic, doomed to failure from conception. The people may have had good intentions and they paved one Hell of a road.
The Nation States should have become Kingdoms which cannot become corrupted nearly as easy. This is the natural state of man. If your King is a really bad man, kill him. But they apparently couldn't pull that off. Often the Heir gets the hint. Usually Kings are good and care about their people. His Imperial Majesty Achaeos hopes to see the system reinvigorated and the people awakened from their braiwashed condition which makes them hate Monarchies for no good reason. If enough people wake up and join the Empire, many Kingdoms may be created in it. And the result, 900,000 years from now, humanity will still live, having survived great catastrophe thanks to the Emperor.

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The Tzars in russia were great emperors. The Khans in China equally awesome. Unfortunately these empires make for good reading and not good living. The british empire was probably the least corrupt being as it got to write its own history for the most part. It still did a ton of terrible things including killing off almost all of the american native population. Similar stories in Africa. But meh.

i blame big money :P

http://www.mattbors.com/archives/882.html

I'd have to think that, while I'm not even close to the opinion that slavery is or was good, that it is still the northern side's motives that have been completely and utterly whitewashed. For example, it is said that Abe Lincoln did not even do the Emancipation Proclamation out of principle, but just to try to hurt the south's economy. I think Agronaut's point would be that even with slavery being so horrible, once they were free, things did NOT get better... sure, things have now, over a long period of time because forcibly changing a law doesn't change people's opinions instantly. Ideally, it's the people's opinions that change first. Then such laws can be passed. But even more ideally, as the people's opinions keep evolving, you would theoretically not even need a law anymore.

yea, we don't need laws about stealing or murder, pretty much everyone already agrees those are wrong, right?

You're arguing for populism, which is silly even without that obvious flaw, laws have to defend minority positions. If 99.5% of people think its ok to to beat up gingers, does that mean it should be OK?

Plenty of things throughout history have been done for more self serving reasons than you might like, going to the moon was basically just a prototype test for ICBMs, so what?

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Originally Posted by John Snowstorm

Plenty of things throughout history have been done for more self serving reasons than you might like, going to the moon was basically just a prototype test for ICBMs, so what?

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You have a source for that? It just doesn't make sense to me, as ICBMs don't even need to escape the gravitational pull of Earth.

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Originally Posted by lastunicorn

You have a source for that? It just doesn't make sense to me, as ICBMs don't even need to escape the gravitational pull of Earth.

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http://bit.ly/QWL17o

All of the early launch modules were basically ICBMs, the atlas rocket was actually used as one, which was what the US used for their earlier unmanned flights to the moon.

The entire exercise was merely to get the literal, figurative, and technological high ground on the russians who had launched gagarin into space on back of the R7 icbm, after that the Americans got a bit worried and started throwing some weight into the program.

The Saturn V which was used for the apollo XI mission would be completely functional as an ICBM, and capable of carrying the highest payload of any ICBM to date. They never bothered actually strapping a bomb to it, but thats merely incidental, its existence was enough. Once the space race was won and the rocket technology was at that level interest in the program waned and that should really tell you what the motives of it were.