If ED are growing looks like they are trying to run away from BoB. Doesn't seem like they are idling waiting for someone to man up and fight them...
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If ED are growing looks like they are trying to run away from BoB. Doesn't seem like they are idling waiting for someone to man up and fight them...
FS and ED will be at similar size when FS exit war. I wonder if ED would man up and fight FS....
If you read back through this thread you'll see ED has little interest in even wars. They'll pick someone smaller they think they can beat and make forum posts trying to bait them into war...and still lose. ED is a good kingdom but a bit more bark than bite in my opinon
Looks like ED hasn't lost a war this age.
Except our average opponent size has been larger than us for last 3 ages, we've warred and beaten a KD 25% bigger than us last age, we've even offered to defect provinces to lower our land/NW closer to other KDs to make the gap smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyPowers
The only time we've done anything with smaller KDs was vs. Strippers who we had a grudge with & Unsullied who said they'd war us if we were closer in size, we offered to defect provs and they land dropped to make the gap even bigger so we raze killed one of them.
Most of the rest of things posted in here is just us being bored and having a laugh in KD, such as banners to BoB, etc.
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Who knows what the future holds Grubby B.
So, how do you explain this Average Opponent Relative Size 103% if they pick on smaller ..Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyPowers
I know little about their affairs. All I know of them is what I've read throughout this thread. Not that there is anything wrong with baiting your way to WW in my opinion survival of the fittest and all. It's funny when someone calls someone out so publicly and ends up eating crow and I want to see it happen again.
You still havent explained how they pick on smaller kingdoms while all the facts points towards them doing the opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyPowers
This age they were picked for most wars, if not all. Many brave people out there.
Assume you mean Strippers, which I've covered a few times in the past; we utterly destroyed them in terms of activity we just didn't have any way to remove their econ as we were unaware of how important it is these days when making our setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyPowers
Combine that with having some "top" players who are actually some of the worst people I've ever seen and go inactive the second their prov is touched then things went pretty badly, having people play Human Rogue while they don't know how to manage hybrids didn't help either.
So ED is hostile with BoB, brief summary of events:
- ED is looking for wars, sends a joking taunt to BoB and looks at some other KDs.
- ED has a few offers but means sitting around for other KDs to prepare.
- ED talks to BoB to try and get a war and make KD sizes closer to have a fairer war, BoB refuses land and time to pump the acres before war.
- ED provs decides to randomly x2 tap BoB for sci not sure why, BoB retal x2 on that prov.
- Next day ED prov goes full potato and x2 taps BoB again giving them relations.
- ED gets blanket MS and hit on a T/M, fair enough I guess we screwed up and would have done the same.
- ED gets second MS round before day tick and then next day another hit on a T/M.
- ED tells BoB 2 op waves + 2 hits isn't going to stand & we want free hits plus a CF (not sure why we offered this as they overstepped the mark big time after we offered free land and pretty much whatever they wanted to get a fair war with them).
- BoB refuses.
- ED goes balls deep.
- BoB refuse CF.
- SHARK WEEK.
Yeah. We are the next kingdom who got picked to contribute to their war win. We will try our best to drag them till eoa so they can't get anymore war wins. Haha
Ed is hostile to BOB but bob is not hostile to Ed. So don't claim u got relationship with us. Bullying smaller kingdom is your forte. You have so many choices at your size but u chose us. Sneaky.
Incorrect, you picked yourselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feint
We had a war offer from another KD who wanted a few days to recover and then we were both good to go, BoB wasn't even in our thoughts (which is why I loled at the earlier ED running away from BoB comments, since we were growing to be in better shape vs. KD we were looking to war) but you think we'll eat 2 op waves and ~700 acres off our T/Ms because one of our provs made a silly mistake then you're on crack.
Lets not forget BoB refused to let us have 3 free hits and a CF and have refused a CF after we've started hits on you, you also refused us giving you free land & time to pump for a fair war (this was when we were closer in size as we hadn't explored more provs). Maybe run the bully line in an age where you haven't been fighting KDs with less provs than you?
What I see here is, Mar 10 YR 8 ED had 50,364 acres. Banks quickly grew acres until total kingdom hits 52,715 during Apr 10 YR8. Then to protect the banks, wave a small kingdom using those events above as excuses and tag "HOSTILE" to draw others out so that their Banks could start training defenses. Or get into a war with a smaller kingdom then having the banks farm up bigger. In Feb month, one of the bank was at 4.4k acres. Right now, 5.58k acres... Not difficult to know what they up to. BoB now tags as a one-sided Hostile. Does invite others to grab hold of some nice acres... Waiting to see more actions
Could be that, or it could be that ED had an offer of war from a KD who is around 10k acres larger give or take a few thousand acres so we wanted to close the size gap on them, you know cause we're bullies and only pick on smaller KDs...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wee Sin
Cute veiled request for OOH hits, should we get any then will hold BoB responsible for them. For a "one sided hostile" there do seem to be quite a few ops on our KD, but I guess BoB can just make up whatever they feel a hostile is and call it one.
"Our war planner had never loss any wars before even going against a larger enemy or even when an opposing kingdom has gained a million in networth gap and owning the war."
Maybe you should change your tag line.
Whats wrong with the tag line?
It portrays you as being able to overcome larger KDs while the reality is you'd rather pick on easy wins.
PS. Dat der 1 sided hostile.
April 11 of YR8 Into the Blue (BoB) has begun a Sapphire Dragon project against us!
April 12 of YR8 Our kingdom has begun a Sapphire Dragon project targetted at Into the Blue (BoB).
April 12 of YR8 Taimei Returns (BoB) invaded Fragaria vesca (ED) and captured xxx acres of land.
Lost XXXXXXX peasants due to meteors, fireballs, kindnappings, attacks and landlusts.
Wizzards caught x69, offenders - Divine Rapier (bob), Hunting (bob), World of Dilemma (bob), Furrymonster (bob), Im Crazyon Lee (bob), tarantula (bob)
The province's population were rioting 1 times for a total of XXX days.
Thieves caught x11, offenders - Furrymonster (bob), Sumo Wrestler (bob), Hunting (bob), Sent From Above (bob)
Hmm, maybe you need to see when that post was written and which kingdom that was? BoB has no IRC channel FYI.
I went with the assumption because in reality whether it's right or wrong is irrelevant:
- You turn up randomly when BoB is mentioned,
- You encourage OOH hits on ED,
- You have a thread about a KD who has exact same number of wins last age as BoB.
Logical assumption is that there's a high chance you play with them.
Ahh got it. No wonder you thought so. Easily enter that IRC channel and you know which kingdom that is......... ain't BoB...
lets see, being smaller by 1mil NW when the offer came in --> 48 hrs to hit prov of ED's choice and to train up (if it is even possible) anyone wuld take up the offer?
I believe anyone in the right frame of mind will say no to this offer. then came the 2 "random" hits...
Evil Dragons are at it again! BoB don't worry too much - as KennyPowers said: ED is more bark than bite
#1 The offer was very much negotiable and when you said no we looked for other wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by S_L
#2 Those hits were very much randoms and totally unsactioned by leadership, the province that did those stupid hits have been yelled at for it. BUT that still doesnt mean that we will accept two hits for 700a on TMs and 2 MS waves in return for two ****ty 60k sci learns. Im not sure why you are trying to play the marty here. You are not a martyr, this is entirely your own choice. Your actions forced us to respond. And as has been said several times, both ingame (where you refuse to respond) and in this thread. BoB can end this whenerevr they chose to.
Just because those 2 hits were "mistakes" doesn't mean they can go unanswered. BoB made it clear their position to not war you, that doesn't mean they will bend over and take hits. I'd like to see how this plays out. On one hand, BoB can take the cf. on the other, they can likely war and win.
No, ofc not. That was not what we told them either, as Silverfox said:We accepted that we ate MS and that they retaled a TM for 300a. We did not accept the fact that their monarch told us that we should go our separates ways after that and yet they hit us again the day after. Had they left it at a 300a retal and two MS waves we would have left them alone. They were the ones who forced the issue by keeping on hitting us even though we had stoped hitting them and were preping for another war.Quote:
Originally Posted by SillyRabbit
You trying to claim 1 million nw is a big difference? This is the issue with the so called warring ids, if its not perfectly even they suddenly don't want to war cause its "unfair"Quote:
Originally Posted by S_L
And sillyrabbit if they don't want a conflict they sure should bend over otherwise it only invites to further hostility
I have made my suggestions to you too... to forget it and move on when it was not UF anymore. but looks like you have a bit too much of ego to say ok and decided to gave us DEEP hostile without much turning back... so y dun YOU offer me CF instead??
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Originally Posted by S_L
Because you already proved that your word counts for very little when you said "lets go our separate ways" and then hit us again the day after despite us not doing anything to you and not being UF anymore. So Id rather not send CF and have you betray your words a second time by hitting us a few times and then CF. Furthermore Id rather do diplomacy ingame or on IRC than here...
Lol Bob all those unwanted trouble for just 2 learns at 120k,if you dont want to war with them just diplo/cf and move on,it isnt that hard,if you compare ED this age and last age they are much milder really,just look at the first 40 pages of this thread.You will be amazed what ED wanted strippers to do last age=)Quote:
Originally Posted by silverfox
If u count carefully, it is 4 hits from each side. Koko made 4 hits on us in 36h. While wasabi and taimei hit twice each - a hit per day. Our monarch already made it clear we won't war and will retal hit for hit. Nw gap is 1.7 mill before Ed wave. Now is 1.9mill. It looks small ESP to kingdom with nw more than 20mill nw. While at our size, these number means almost 20% bigger. We are almost out of range to declare when more wave comes
Korp, it wasn't 1m difference tho. It was 1.6m to 1.8m and approx 10k-11k acres away if you checked on both kingdoms since things started till now. ED was 22 to 23% larger than BoB or you could say that BoB was 20% smaller than ED.
Youre a tactical genious. To give our big humans time to pump in peace, we hit ourselfs to hostile relation with the #1 honor kd on the server. Obviously they wont touch the humans peasants or try to throw MS or NS or AW or anything. If other kd's were smarter, everyone would pump like this!
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Originally Posted by Wee Sin
Don't get your point here as you don't seem to grasp escalation of hostilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by SillyRabbit
No-one has said that BoB was supposed to bend over and take the hits, it would be stupid to NOT retal with ops when you've given UF as it's a clear deterrent that you'll lose a lot of troops for no gain with random grabs.
However there is a point where you're just overstepping the mark and should consider what you want to gain from a conflict, outside of the random hits & maybe someone with a stick up their ass might have got offended by our taunt, we were actually friendly towards BoB & when they refused war we went and found another one. So to reply with a hit plus 2 op waves in one day, then waiting another day to make another land grab isn't just making a point it's asking to be hit.
Ontop of that we went to them and basically said "your retal was over the top, give us 3 hits and a CF, we'll forget about it or we'll wave you", BoB refused so we hostile them. Might be one thing if they thought they were doing something like showing they won't be bullied (lol at 4 hits bullying) but the fact they're in here complaining kinda removes the whole concept of them standing up for themselves.
One of our smallest provinces 2x learns you for approx 130k science. You respond by starving a few of our provinces, keep us under 24h meteors and hit our biggest T/Ms for approx 700acres.
Wtf did you expect? That we (a bigger and more pumped kd) would just sit there taking it while you hit our key provs?
We tried numerous times to tell you that a newb in our kd made those 2 hits totally unsanctioned by leadership. I'm pretty sure we even offered free retals on that prov to keep this conflict from escalating.
We got nothing at all to gain from this and tried our best to avoid it. But the last hit you made was, frankly put, like pissing us in the face.
Pardon me for being a little bit anal with getting facts straight. This was the message I sent:
Sender The Conniving King As Eighteens Porn of Ephemera vulgata (2:10)
Recipient King S_L the Sorcerer of World of Dilemma (6:1)
Subject War
Hi. We would like to war you. Theres without argument some sizedifferance atm. I'd be willing to make a deal to overcome that, if you are interested at all. Either give you a few days to explore some acres, or you could possibly get some hits on by us selected provinces and 48 hours to pump up those acres...I dont know, Im just saying Im willing to deal a bit if you are interested...so please get back to me.
That second option there mentions 48 hours after the land comes in, not 48 hours total, and the very next line says that Im willing to deal a bit. If you had said three or four days, even five, we would have taken that deal. Why? Cause we want to war you, and we are not worried about doing so on fair terms.
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Originally Posted by S_L
I can assure you I got not offer at ALL to get back at that newb prov. all you said was 3 free hits and CF or free wave...Quote:
Originally Posted by zmasternr1
correction: I did respond by offering my humble view, which then you DID NOT reply. so yeah, welcome to the sh*thole, we have been drag into so many last age, we sort of know how to pull one off too. =)
So come and teach us. We're right here. We were fine leaving you alone cause yes, we are a great deal bigger. You cry bloody murder, tho we gave you every chance to walk away. Now you say you know how to pull it off...so start pulling, dont sit there and whine. And when we get the warwin, dont even think about complaining about an unfair fight.
looks like you have no idea about the sh*thole that I refer to... so a heads up, we went to a month long hostile before... so yeah, that's the sh*thole I was talking about. =) cheersQuote:
Originally Posted by Parth
dun worry, its starting to come... and how did you know I was sitting down while typing all these "whines"? you are good!!! =)
mm yea, its silly how powerful ops are in UF, consider how long it takes to get rid of lets say just 20 hostile points. Thats like 4 days of ms/aw/amnesia. Broken, relations are broken. (srsly need to give points to offencive spells, this is getting ridiculous)Quote:
Originally Posted by S_L