Obviously not since he then would have know that they turned down the eoa CF we proposed. Either way, that doesnt make him know **** what went on in RoO. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
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Obviously not since he then would have know that they turned down the eoa CF we proposed. Either way, that doesnt make him know **** what went on in RoO. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
Tbf not like Rizen has to be a real person, it might again be someone's multi just the same so whatever.
fair enough, I dont remember that timeline at all tbh, i remember the chat we had with Mike that day but I have to read up on the logs before I get any grasp of timelines and/or detailsQuote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Did they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
Because last I checked Coss was in a great position to vulture and farm the **** out of them until Sparta conveniently dealbroke him.
They also only conveniently got in that position by dealbreaking/double hostiling The U and waving into an active hostile.
TBB/Sparta/Ronins have pretty blatantly been blocking for each other, dealbreaking for each other, and planning their ****play together the entire age.
Probably cause you werent involved in it all before at a later date I would guess. At the begining of the age they didnt want to eoa cf as we wanted to. What Bourreau is talking about is what happend later during the age. - the fact that "most of the kingdom wanted to fight MEGA" thats just bull****. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
I think we already established we can't last a full age together. Not that I don't like you, but we just are not compatible as kingdom mates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
You played with me for like 6-7 ages you idiot :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
Lol god damnit don't do that while I'm drinkingQuote:
Originally Posted by jdorje
Bringing up **** from previous ages won't really do much right now. Set an example for future transgressors now instead.
Oh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
I just remember the last one I had to go in the hospital for my kidney stone surgery and had to abandon.
Not that I did not have time, but morphine and setting alarms is not compatible.
lol, are u kidding me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
You are walking around thinking you onlyt played half an age in Pewpew? it was like minimum 4 ages
I remember having my blow up with Rainbow over some bull**** that got me half nuts and going off the deep and making you all get a replacement before I abandoned. I remembered the age I rejoined and we had a good run and then Pet went nuts about emerald dragons and rage quit, and I remember the kidney stone and having to abandon. So many ages are a blur though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
The ages are kinda blurred up together but im pretty sure you joined pew the same age Canabia did after Monument disbanned. And you for sure quit and rejoined atleast twiceQuote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
Yeah I played there with Can, thats right. Is he still playing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
We didnt turn down eoaCF. We did a bad hit early age and I proposed YR4 cf, mike countered with YR8 (probably because he thought he could beat us late age), which we accepted. After we got 2 wars, Mike proposed an eoacf but since there were 3 "small big" kingdoms, we wanted to have the option to war you guys cuz it would be fun and so MEGA's answer was "Can we talk about it later?" and received no answer, altough we would have been fine to just cf but prefered to leave the option open. Once we got our 3rd war, it was obvious we were way too big for a war to happen between us and we offered EOAcf to RoO, Mike stalled, turned it down and went to make a deal with Bart to try to beat MEGA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
I can understand why you think what you think because when the negotiations happend, Mike said exactly what you said and we digged the ingame messages exchanged and he aknowledged he was wrong. I guess he forgot to tell the rest of your kingdom he screwed up and went to screw you over even more when he sold you out to Barco.
EDIT: Of course I have all the logs of the nego that is proving what I'm saying, but I'm not a fan of posting private logs.
EDIT 2: Mike: You asked people to gangbang MEGA in #strategy and got no support. Bart even said "I dont gangbang if there is nothing in it for me"
it is not the biggest. at least from my experience. again absolutely agree we could have won without the issues but we are beyond that now. what's done is done. I dont even agree with it but can't change it. however its the irony in the situation that keeps us going on. I mean my kd was once deleted when stoners farmed out to us. yet here we are, two blatant farm outs that we dont deny and wrong doing. where as the stoners one was just pure coincidence. haha the inconsistencies fuel us to push furtherQuote:
Originally Posted by Binar
ps, you calling me new gen is laughable. heck even beat your snakes long again. nvm
snakes was funny. I miss jonnyessenQuote:
Originally Posted by markers
Iam not sure if you are targeting the "top" or teh devs when you are talking about inconsistencies.Quote:
Originally Posted by markers
If you played somewhere under another name and I dont know about it, thats on you not on me. Your kingdom being new-gen, I only used that term cause Korp or someone in this thread used it when talking to you. I can use another term if you want.
Is "overgrown Warring kd" better? or "KDs competing for the first time". I can call you whatever you want, the label doesnt rly matter to me
ASF disagrees with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourreau
[21:14] <&Korp> AquaSeaFoam you were the one that didnt want to a eoa in the begining.
[21:15] <&AquaSeaFoam> yes that's true
[21:15] <&AquaSeaFoam> well not me personally, but my kd yeah
[21:15] <&AquaSeaFoam> I actually thought we should just eoa cf you
See you even played with me in snakes for 2 ages, so now we are up in 6-7 totalQuote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
This is the example the top KDs have been setting for a long time. Just this time it's a warring tier KD doing it to them and not being as subtle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avenger
Thats kinda exactly what bour just told you though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
again full of lies, go talk to asf he can set your false story crorrect, or i could just post the logs up to you, i gusse when in abs lieing get to be second nature to one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourreau
but they havent though. Not even close, thats kind of the issue here. Even CR wouldnt pull this sh1tQuote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
but it was not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
Was bour the guy who was part of the "A-war" behind the 300+ page forum war like 8 ages back?
Iam not taking a stance on what he is saying is wrong or not, but the logg Korp just posted says the same thing Bour just told korpQuote:
Originally Posted by Mike^
No, ASF is saying they didnt want to Bourreau is saying that they might have wanted to but prefered to leave it open.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
Perhaps not to the same extent we are seeing now but it's more of a "they always treated us poorly so now is our chance to stick it to them". Hopefully this over the top action this age cools things off for the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
For the record, I don't really include your KD in this broad statement as I have personally never had a problem with Emeriti or any of your other KDs, aside from when you got our monarch deleted years ago...
Fair enough, but thats intent and not the deal. From what bour posted you wanted y8 and they wanted y4? Speaking about a hypotetichal EoACF seems strangeQuote:
Originally Posted by Korp
You missed the part where mike suggested a eoacf and MEGA wanted to "discuss it" if they were interested in a eoaCF at that point there would be no need for discussion and just accept. imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
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Originally Posted by Korp
EDIT: Yes we wanted to leave it open, but we didn't turn it down, we asked to postpone the discussion, which we never received an answer for. Like we told Mike in the negotiations, if RoO had answered : "we would prefer to settle it now", the answer would have been probably yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourreau
Post the logs, I remember perfectly the discussion you, asf and I had since themango was on a plane and hector was mainly a spectator.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike^
Like... who cares. Nothing ever gets done cause the threads are derailed with past conflicts. Move past them already...
Full logs.
No edit no nothing just pure info, take it or leave it.
https://pastebin.com/XLK8mhnd
To clear this up, early age, MEGA hit RoO and then a term cf was made to something like YR7. Around the end of YR2, RoO ingame asked MEGA to extend the CF to EOA. MEGA responded with something like "It's not even YR3, can we wait until a bit closer to the cf term and talk then?" There was no reply from RoO to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
One player in MEGA was hopeful for the oppertunity to have a fair war vs a similar kingdom later in the age. Others including myself wanted to avoid drama and were in favor of just EOA Cf'ing RoO. The internal compromise in MEGA was to ask RoO if it was ok to talk more about it later. MEGA figured if they said "no, it's not ok we need EOA now", MEGA could have just worked out an EOA with them, but there was no reply from RoO and so MEGA figured they could just talk again a couple weeks before the current cf was up.
RoO, understandably, took the ask to talk later as a refusal to EOA CF and began focusing all efforts on finding a way to destroy MEGA. A couple weeks before the current term cf was up, MEGA contacted RoO to offer EOA cf but also asked if a province non-compete type clause would be ok. RoO said it wasn't ok and then MEGA asked if a "no lame play" type clause would be ok. RoO said they needed more time to think and then a few days later started farming the land from Bart's kingdom.
RoO then informed MEGA that they were not interested in a CF and they and would use the land farmed from Bart to ensure they smashed MEGA instead. I got some support, mainly from Flogger, that organized "borrowing" of massive amounts of cow land right before a conflict was "lame" play. It probably helped me to get his support that it was Bart and Mango involved in the scheme.
I am not aware of what Binar said to Mike, but according to Mike, he also had concerns about the situation.
Eventually, RoO agreed to just accept EOA cf with MEGA and to return the land to Bart. Bart used the deal with RoO to his advantage to pool the returned land from multiple provinces onto the selected cows of his choosing and was able to use that along with a late age war to get his kingdom mate's province to #1 nw.
Edit: From Mike's logs, it looks like it was a YR8 (not YR7) term cf and asking if it was ok to talk again closer to the end was in late YR3 (not late YR2.) Overall the events still match.
True, good ol absalom stalling tactic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
overgrown war kd is funny too considering your war record this age haha the mechanics favor warring no? Sure this kd hasn't gone for top acres previously but we haven't ever really started the age saying 'yeah that crown is ours' but finished topish usually by eoa (age 72 2nd, age 71 7th, age 70 9th, age 69 12th, 68 gave up, 67 razed out, 66 deleted) anyway can go further and into other kds I had to pleasure of playing in but point being, if we ever had the time and commitment we can finish top anytime. guess you just don't understandQuote:
Originally Posted by Binar
Thats just petty semantics, if you were interested in a eoacf you would just answered yes and not wanting to delay it. AQuote:
Originally Posted by Bourreau
Oh you can finish in the "top" in this current era you talk like thats a feat. In early 60s my ghetto not even whole kingdom finished 4th. You dont even need time for that, haha. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by markers
Eh I can go further and show crowns I collected back in the good old days but its pointless. Although you get my point, we don't really try or care and things happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp