Hostile Simians style

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Originally Posted by DHaran

HoH was doing nothing wrong, YOU were. Same here, csarmi did nothing wrong, Simians did.

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I all ready pointed out 100 times that if we had not got multiply dragons started and Sanctuary hitting into our hostile vs HoH this would never have happend. Its Sanctuarys fault. Not Simians fault and not HoHs fault. We just stopped playing and got farmed out. There was nothing more to play for. In the progress Sanc+Rage got hurt and could not win.
Its not like i would call/sms the KD to get online when bank was dead and the age was over. You are crazy!

Stay with subject!!!

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Originally Posted by Nick_mi

You guys need to understand the difference between intentional underhanded farming, and legal lucky farming.

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That's exactly their problem! Simians can't seem to differentiate between what is really right and wrong, so they end up just being wrong themselves and making shady moves. People who can't understand these things shouldn't be running kingdoms that can influence the age like they continue to do.

Just look at Anri still defending his farmout to HoH, like he couldn't find the WD button. It's insane.

Anri admitted already that Csarmi's war was legit . then where is the problem ? simians also had wars this age where their cows farmed acres from opponent for days. at what point is that ok and what Csarmi did isn't ? pls tell us Anri how many days can one stay in war and grow before you decide it's farming and start razing ?

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Originally Posted by Nick_mi

Cool story. You asked above for clarification. You guys need to understand the difference between intentional underhanded farming, and legal lucky farming. I farmed 5k off of inzo's cow. Should I be razed for that? What If I had farmed 10k off of him? Would you of razed me for that? No probably, not because it would of been legal, not underhanded, if maybe a bit lucky and opportunistic on my side.

What csarmi did with that kd: ok
What I did to inz: ok
What you did to hoh last age: Not ok

Also, to make it clear, migz hit you way back then, not me.

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Okey, damn migz.
Yes, underhanded farming, by intention. He could have won the war but he kept farming and his farming leads him to win #1 bank this age.
All CFs is up and you are all very cuddly with each other. The top is you, Dharan, Csarmi. Then we have Simians. I think you guys are all on the abs side. So whats left here.
Simians again... We give you the acres, you all win again. Farming in war is okey for as long as anyone wants too.

Glad we sorted all of this out.

He still doesn't understand, it's incredible..... Anri is like the vines of Utopian politics.

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Originally Posted by Lykron

Anri admitted already that Csarmi's war was legit . then where is the problem ? simians also had wars this age where their cows farmed acres from opponent for days. at what point is that ok and what Csarmi did isn't ? pls tell us Anri how many days can one stay in war and grow before you decide it's farming and start razing ?

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When you choose to not win the war when you can win it at any moment it becomes a farm war. Its very smart and hard to spot. But it was there. Csarmi admited he could have won by day 9. We said day 7. We waited to hit him until day 10. So in his own mind he farmed for 1 day only intentionally. We say he farmed for 3 days intentionally.
When we were in war our cows got to 10k acres and we won that one and only war after 4 days i think. We were at that moment training up as fast as we possible could to climb faster vs auto.wd cause we tought they would be stubborn. There is a big difference from how we warred and what position our banks was in. The was Csarmi was in was way different and he was farming hardcore by the end.

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Originally Posted by Anri

I all ready pointed out 100 times that if we had not got multiply dragons started and Sanctuary hitting into our hostile vs HoH this would never have happend. Its Sanctuarys fault. Not Simians fault and not HoHs fault. We just stopped playing and got farmed out. There was nothing more to play for. In the progress Sanc+Rage got hurt and could not win.
Its not like i would call/sms the KD to get online when bank was dead and the age was over. You are crazy!

Stay with subject!!!

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Nobody cares how you reason it. You're wrong. Unless sanctuary physically hacked your accounts and made you stop playing, it was simians fault. Try the blame game any way you want it, but rather then be a man, you laid over died, and got farmed. It's your fault, it's your responsibility
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"Yes, underhanded farming, by intention. He could have won the war but he kept farming and his farming leads him to win #1 bank this age."

And that's wrong? Do you think he didn't want free acres? He's playing the game. Should he play to lose? His kingdom clearly wanted to keep warring as we definately saw he gave up monarchy at one point to help a kd, and they could of WDed if csarmi was forcing them into it. The opposing kd didn't want to WD so they still wanted to be in it. So if everyone was still content to war, why would csarmi not try to gain as many acres as possible.?

"When you choose to not win the war when you can win it at any moment it becomes a farm war."
How do you choose not to win? Hold a gun to to your oppoents head and say if you push that WD button I'll shoot?

So we cant stop playing and get on with our normal lifes when we feel for it? I have to stay online 10-15h daily to compete vs a KD we had no chance against after all that happend? I have better things to do.

I am not sure what you are complaining about. I said we will return the acres to Csarmi. The farmer will harvest some more. All abs friendlys will cheer in the server for this awesome diplomatic win win resolution. Farming to win #1 bank is now okey.

We are good with this. Not sure what you do NOT understand?

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Originally Posted by Anri

why did u lose 5k thiefs per day?

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20% SoM's and SoT's. And most of the time I attacked blind without taking fresh intel.

I was war leader however and if no tact or anyone with good tpa was online, I took SoM's myself. Definitely the SoT's.

we don't bother with SoT+SoM calcs just when no other choice. I discourage angel use for newbies, makes for bad habits and failed attacks.

You get quite big losses from 80-100k thieves.

And Csarmi choose not to win the war so he could keep farmining by not drafting/training up.
Day 9 there was 100k nw difference for him to win. He could train 7-8k troops per tick. Do the math!

We razed him on day 10. But okey. This was not farming. All of you is correct. We will live by your rules.
We were okey with last ages new rules also. We will adapt to these new rules also.

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Originally Posted by Anri

So we cant stop playing and get on with our normal lifes when we feel for it? I have to stay online 10-15h daily to compete vs a KD we had no chance against after all that happend? I have better things to do.

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Then withdraw!! I've never seen such baseless and flawed reasoning in all my time playing Utopia, lol.

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Originally Posted by Anri

And Csarmi choose not to win the war so he could keep farmining by not drafting/training up.
Day 9 there was 100k nw difference for him to win. He could train 7-8k troops per tick. Do the math!

We razed him on day 10. But okey. This was not farming. All of you is correct. We will live by your rules.
We were okey with last ages new rules also. We will adapt to these new rules also.

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Almost every province crown winner of the last 20 ages has gotten into a war where they gained significant acres. Once you pull away any war is going to add to your lead. This is now doubly true once exploration is impossible and war is the only way to grow past the 10-20k range. A cow that can't be fireballed is enough to win a war, and unless the war is a total blowout the cowing kingdom would be dumb to withdraw it.

All you've gotta do is stick with the same rules you've been using the last 5 years.

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Originally Posted by jdorje

All you've gotta do is stick with the same rules you've been using the last 5 years.

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You are asking Anri to be consistant ? This is unheard of !!!

Seems similar to when #1 honor provinces were razed in war...