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I take it Mike is an ass man?Quote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
Yes, as always you are 100% right Elit. Clearly you didn't want Pyro to help you gb Pew Pew, and clearly it was your only moral act to deal break them after they didn't help you gb Pew Pew. Also since they were close relations and EOA Cf'd and not your "allies", it's obviously fine and even necessary to deal break them. Flawless moral logic as usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Elit, I agree you are good and certainly qualified to play on the competitive server. That said, you are saying your kingdom on WoL had only 7 active provinces (even in war.) Taking nothing away from your invincible greatness, I personally disagree that a kingdom with 7 active provinces was every bit as good as the top battlefields kingdoms. You as a player/leader may have been as good or better than a typical battlefields player/leader, but your kingdom doesn't sound like it was. Again, Mehul openly stated that battlefields was for competitive kingdoms and WoL was for casual kingdoms and each age he'd automatically place the good WoL kingdoms on Battlefields and the bad Battlefields kingdoms on WoL. The reason Mehul split the kingdoms as he did was to separate the sharks from the gold fish. While a few kingdoms like Brute Force used scripting to get around this, denying that battlefields kingdoms were more fierce competition is denying a historical fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Yes, Elit, clearly I was wrong when I said you will never admit you are wrong on anything. Obviously, you've simply never been wrong or done wrong on anything in your life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
That said, a few corrections to your above statement. You claim you looked for Sanc leaders for 4 days, but you never sent them an ingame message nor did you message any of them on IRC when some were indeed idling. Havoc gave you advanced notice that they would notice you as soon as they were able. You started arguing about this saying they couldn't give you notice of a notice etc. From your messages with them it seemed pretty clear you were going to try and run. Sanc assumed you would wave them and claim b2b. Your cow forgot to log in and train and sanc robbed him since they were sure you were about to wave them. Within minutes of exiting post war and your cow being robbed, you full kingdom waved them. During the wave, Dorje tried to cf you and you refused. I agree Dorje should have asked you for a cf before hand. I have said this all along. Had he asked you, I doubt you'd have given him a cf, but then at least he'd have confirmed he was right that you were coming for him to dodge Havoc. Havoc was lead by Goodz that age and he was sick of you dodging him for a long time and he got frusterated and did his own thing without Abs approval. Sanc also robbed without any Abs approval. A situation involving Sanc and Havoc acting on their own has little to do with Rage. Rage was not in any way involved or affected.
Yep. That's mostly correct except I think the kingdom was Fury. This was the age when you were in the Sonata remake after Sonata deal broke and gb'd Rage and tricked Cheese's alliance into helping. This is the age that your kingdom hacked two of Rage's provinces and got them deleted which was confirmed by Bishop. Noticing before war isn't something I'd normally do but this was a special case and the deal did not prohibit it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
BB had superior position on us early (since we were sages and them a fast starting setup) and they noticed us. We owned them in war and they asked for a cf after the war and we were nice and gave them the cf and didn't b2b. The things you claim I said don't sound like something I'd say and I don't remember saying them. Are you thinking of Proteus? Certainly, Elit has never backed down when threatened, so I am guessing you didn't retract notice? What happened, were you gb'd? (no.) Rage made a cf deal with you where we gave you significant acres due to your successful vulture play. Abs did not interfere with you despite vulturing us out of a tough war against your ally BB so it seems a pretty weak example of an "Abs power play". You weren't power played and you were given a large amount of acres for cf due to your vulture move. Still Rage finished #1 nw that age and #2 land while you were #5 both charts. Based on that, it looks like you didn't stand a chance against Rage when you weren't vultureing them straight out of their BB war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Every "good kingdom" including yours has had allies in some form. Brute Force was in an alliance. We already discussed you being allied with BB in this very post and how you wanted your allies to power play Pew Pew when they wanted to "vulture" you after your jerks war. That is no different from you vulturing us after our BB war, except we didn't ask our allies to gb you, nor did we deal break anyone or wave them for refusing to help. So clearly that's where the difference is. Obviously, we did not do the "only moral act" as you say and deal break our allies for not helping stop you. I guess if we did that, then we'd have your respect.
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Originally Posted by Palem
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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
When you are used to GB and dela break its normal you cant see other way to solve problems. Still here is if ppl aim to do. You was away from game for several ages and you have no idea what is my relations with Pyro/CJ so don't came and try to judge what happen. I had already my talk about it with CJ and he know well why he got hits from us. How you like to say its was justified.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
I pointed it to show you how Ghetto can farm TOP Kd in WoL not to say its was better. My point is many from players in BF server being in TOP kds was actually pure n00b, and arrogant one. BF server was very much alliance oriented and all TOP kds was from full 25 trade/script account. Sure they are more competitive from KD with less accounts. Buts its have noting with with being "better" KDs.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Reason he did it was to separate hardcore cheaters from ghetto KDs. Cheating is what made them more competitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Yes i have done mistakes too but not about what you refer. For example i did mistake being so harsh to Realest age 50 and maybe its one from reasons he hid stufs from me. Later i hear ppl was scared from me so im try now to be less scary...Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Dorje is normally 24/7 in irc. WE had very intensive and long hostile+war and after it end he was missing from irc. I assume he is tired and pissed from loss war. So i decide to wait for him till he came. He didn't came in irc for 4 days. He is only person in Sanctuary i know for diplo. Its was clear Sanctuary cant wave us and go b2b and we had no intention for it too. I didn't see any reason for panic and start "call him". Its why i simple waited for him to came in irc and talk. I don't remember our Kds to have done in game msg diplo after both are taged. Here was no reason for start doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Havoc was farm for me to farm for secure our n1 position and win age. We already had all objective advantages. Bigger cows and core and better KD. War them was what i wanted and we was ready for it. He never send me pre notice on notice. He send me notice after Sanctuary start aggressive actions again us, we retaliated with hits and they retailed with hits too. this was clear active hostile. Our deal terms was: no notice in hostile/war/post war. Serve it during active hostile is clear deal break. Its what i told Havoc.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
This part is most dirty one from your post. Dorje NEVER asked me for CF BEFORE they start aggressive act to us. We never gave any indications for going after them too. WE had few provinces on line when post war end and we had semi pump strat preparing for Havoc. Saying how Dorje believed we will b2b him is like telling he is incompetent in waring. Its was blank clear we wont hit them and Sanctuary had zero chances for war us if they wave first. Its why we didn't worry about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
After they robed/FGed our gold and FBed all our core, hit one from cows and big core provinces he propose CF. Its clear after all what he done we cant CF him and go war another ABS kd 48h later. For recover from all DMG we needed over 1 week or another war. All what Havoc offered us is 2h extend. Sure its don't make sense for us to agree. Both Sanctuary and AMA keep trade hits/ops for 48h and after it Havoc wave us. Sure its was ABS fault for deal break and alliance power play.
Its easy to put blame on Goodz when he is not part from ABS, he had no power to make his own decisions. Wave on us was approved from ABS concul. Talk how i was dodging him for long is nonsense too. We just had CF for long and its expired last from all my CFs with rest ABS kds.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Its was discussed in ABS concul. What i hear is Goodz believed he can win 1vs1 with us and he got mad on what mess did Sanctuary, but again he was first age monarch in ABS and he had no power to make any decision. He just follow alliance politic. Rage leaders was aware what is going too. No one stop Sanctuary for doing it. No one from ABS gave us fair solution after Sanctuary messed our prepare for war Havoc. ABS was simple mad for AMA disable one by one all ABS kds. After farming Havoc its was clear we will win age with big margin. ABS have loss already in past to BB same way and you didn't want to loss like it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Rage have politic to use other KDs for make his dirty job. This age you already was pissed on AMA for notice you and force EOA CF. You pick sage setup and end with no targets for rest from age. YR 3-4 age was already over for you. Sure you had strong hate for AMA and wanted to take us down. This affected you too because after we loss our n1 spot you start dream for win age when you trick Pew Pew to war you. Problem is you got so greedy and its result Pew Pew decide to reset but not war you. So all alliance actions against AMA had great impact for all rest TOP kds and Rage.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Just some ABS kd. I dont need to remember every one i farmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Its was not Sonata remake. 2/3 from Kds members never was in Sonata and leaders on KD was me and Dirty. Both from us never was in Sonata. Rest from Sonata ppl you refer are very old Utopians being in different kingdoms. For example Mango you hate so much, was in Pansies,BF,PBs,Season,Sonata,Dreams,BB,CR. So how he is Sonata but not for example BF player. You cant drop line like this and tell he is bad i want him out from Kd. You proposed to kick 7 players from kd. Its against spirit of game and human moral. Just because you hate them this dont gave you right to ask for kick ppl from KD.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
If i use your lame ABS terminology its was Justified GB on Rage. If alliances help Sonata maybe they all think you was wrong. I dont know what reasons they had so i wont comment it.
Again you reverse events. You gave us notice before we entered in war with Fury. Already was many rumors from ABS prepare GB on Dreams. Maybe its was reason for what did later Vers. Here was no hack too and you cant put any blame on me or KD. Its turned (i found it few ages later) Rage had 2 provinces being in same KD in past with Realest GF (Versache or something). They had shared his account info with her. Mean all involved are guilty not just Vers. We didunt know about it, you too. So its not like any one from us had any power to control it. Just ABS attemt to GB most like triggered Vers to log with old account info she had. Its was very bad from her but you need to see your actions made her do it. So you cant put all blame on Vers and say you are innocent.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
You had 3 wars in raw b2b BB. After it you gave them CF. Look like you start forget...Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Yes im sure you don't remember how you told me indirect Rage is going to farm out to Sanc if we don't Cf you for free. Why you need to remember it :PQuote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Its correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Sanctuary and AMA was n1-2 in server with decent lead. We talk for yr3-4. When i gave Rage notice all ABS leaders came to me ask me to retract it include Sanctuary. Dorje offered me to hit him not Rage. Look like you did big fuss in ABS concul for "vulture" you.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
AMA was power-played around YR 8 after Beat Sanctuary in very close war. During this time Rage was n3-4 and AMA was n1 land and had n1 cow. We had incoming easy farm war with Havoc what will have made us n1 with very big margin. When all rest 4 Kds in top was Cfed/Ally its was clear no one have source for land to catch us. We still had option for notice/war HoH after yr10.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Yes AMA and BB was ally i never deny this fact. During our talk with Jerks they made clear if we don't agree to terms they wanted we will end in hostile with them, they will stop hits for 12h and after it another kingdom will wave us. So far its what happens With Sanctuary and Havoc against AMA and its what did Jerks and Pew Pew against AMA. You already admit you was involved in second. When 2-3 kingdoms team up vs 1 its normal to ask your ally for help. I don't see anything wrong in this.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
You clear give nonsense compare. You had 1vs1 war. 4 days post war. After it we gave you 72h notice. During this time you had no hostile with any other kingdom. This was pure 1vs1 relation. Sure we had advantage because you was in war, but AMA was in reversed situation many times too. ABS Kds have done same many times. Its legit part from game and no reason for ask ally to interfere in 1vs1 relations.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Again you talk for what you have no idea. How i told you already Pyro deal break us in past so you can use your ABS justification logic. You have no idea about my relation with CJ past few ages so you cant comment it. When i say its was moral act to show CJ he is wrong its was it. You can belie or not its up to you. Im not going to explain.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
When you talk about deal breaks and justifications its look really bad from you. ABS kingdoms have deal break many times different Kingdoms include few i was. For example age 38 ABS kingdom deal break Season and hit our cow. Reason was we hit another ABS Cow in active hostile. So for you its was justified but not for me. They had no active hostile. Over half KD was doing randoms, monarch had all his army home doing heavy explore and train elites.
From other side other ages ABS Kds have waved another Kingdoms (not just one time) in active hostile when 2 KDs trade hits/ops for days, BUT just because 1 province have done random hit you consider its not hostile. So you justify it waving kingdoms in legit active hostile. How you know here is many legit reasons for prov to hit out from hostile, start from control meter to end he don't have any one in range for hit being so small.
From other side age 51 when Dreams/Rage had his notice expire both kds did 2 hits and ops. After it we had talk and i told you we wont war. (i wanted to war but 6-7 ppl didn't return from his real meeting and its made me drop war). You told me you are going to hold for 24h till we decide. (reason was for you to regain stelt /mana you used it all). So after 24h no hits from both Kds Bio waved Rage. You claimed double hostile!!!
Your logic and justification really follow side is involved ABS kd. Its one from reason ppl don't like ABS and you being ABS leader share big guilty for this shame politic.
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Did you read all what ASF and Me posted?Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
You guys always sculpt these gems while I'm busy, busy. Hopefully one cigar will suffice while I read this exchange in it's entirety, after work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
In the mean time I encourage you guys to tally your forum war dings. I offered a system, buried deep in this thread.
@Binar: It's got legs. This thing is a juggernaut.
You can't change the past, so don't dwell on it and move on. Arguing about something that you can't change at this point is fruitless. You two will never agree, you will never come to a conclusion on this dick measuring contest.
Elit, surely you agree that some leaders and some players are better than others and it is not just cheating that separates the good form the not so good. You are one of the best and it's not just due to cheating more than others. Even if there was no cheating at all, you would still have kingdoms that were much better than others due to better leadership, better luck with players, and more effort in killing off bad players to get better randoms. I have ran fully legit, completely untraded kingdoms such as my Age 4 kingdom that finished top 10. We could have easily crushed ghetto kingdoms just like a hardcore cheater kingdom could crush ghettos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Whatever the cause of having good vs "not good" kingdoms is, the result is the same so there is no reason to blame it completely on cheating. Mehul has never said it was due to cheating and he focused on the "hyper competitive mentality." The competitive mentality lead to Battlefields kingdoms doing stuff like setting alarms, calling people, and, one would assume, cheating. The point remains that the kingdoms with 25 active provinces, by whatever means they acheived that, were fiercer competition than a typical WoL kingdom that had 7 active provinces.
Not sure how you think things worked in Abs, but kingdoms make their own decisions on pretty much everything besides alliance war. Goodz ran that kingdom and he and his kingdom made their own decisions. They didn't ask for permission and they certainly weren't instructed to do anything against you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Yes, people including goodz weren't happy after Sanc robbed your cow and you waved them. That doesn't mean anyone outside Sanc knew it would happen in advance. My understanding was that even sanc wasn't planning it until they saw your cow player missed his train time. The only part that was discussed in advance was that goods and Dorje were both pretty sure you'd try and dodge Havoc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Havoc DID send you advanced "notice of a notice" and you did start arguing that that wasn't allowed. Either you were just trying to mess with his head, or you were looking for a way out of the fight. If you were just trying to trick them into thinking you'd dodge, then it worked and they thought you would. Your normal dodge tactic that you have used both before that age and since that age is to back to back the kingdom you just warred and refuse to cf them until the kingdom you are dodging agrees to cf you or gets in some other fight. This is why Dorje was convinced you would re-wave them and felt it necessary to rob your cow when your cow player forgot to train in time.
If you really thought you could beat Havoc, then the smart move would have been to cf sanc either before they robbed your cow, or at least after they robbed you and jdorje was asking to cf you. There was very minimal damage done to your kingdom at that time (it was some robbing on your cow and then you hitting them.) You could have cf'd there, fought Havoc, and if you won, probably won the age. Instead you refused to cf sanc (until eoa you said) unless you could get a multi week cf extension with Havoc even before any damage was done from Sanc. You can say it's due to your principles to "make sanc pay for rob you" but you could have just taken some of their land and cf'd them and still fought havoc if you thought you could beat them.
I never really talked to Phiwha/Mango and have no hate for him. He was never really a leader in any of those earlier kingdoms and so I never talked to him. He started leading Sonata when realest was taking the age off and he is the one who decided (with his kingdom's support) to try and gb Rage rather than get farmed by them 1v1. Sure I held a grudge just like you would if someone gb'd you unprovoked. You agree it'd be poor strategical play to let someone get away with gbing you, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
The former Sonata allies who were tricked and betrayed by sonata (lead by Cheese) had asked me to help gb the Sonata remake when Realest had announced that Sonata was back. When they recruited you to be a non Sonata figure head, I backed out of supporting the pay back on Sonata. Instead I was just going to 1v1 war you. When your kingdom hacked two of our provinces, it looked like Sonata back up to their old tricks and I gave the gb my support again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Now you're trying to justify your players hacking ours to spy on us and get our accounts deleted? I've never tried to justify any of the hackings on you, nor have I accepted those who hacked you into my kingdom. Versace was monarch of secrets and had a login/password list from that kingdom from before the re-code. Rage had some former secrets players and two of them were dumb enough to have not changed their passwords from those old days. The players did not cheat or login share in Rage and the Utopia Admins had a "pardon" for any cheating done in past kingdoms prior to the re-code when trading was made legal. This is why our players were reinstated and yours was deleted when the situation was looked into by the admin.
One age we warred BB 4 times. We got 3 ww's with them holding out in the fourth war until EOA (there was no cf). The next age, we warred them 1x early as I described and cf'd them. I might be mixing up which age of those two you tried to vulture us, but it seems pretty irrelevant which age it was. How was you trying to vulture us any different from Pew Pew trying to vulture you when you wanted BB and Pyro to help you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Never happened. Perhaps an English comprehension problem since you say it was indirect. Rage has never intentionally farmed out to anyone and that wasn't a threat I made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
You warred and beat Jerks and they weren't even in war range after the war. You still wanted to b2b them to dodge Pew Pew who was waiting for you so you refused to cf Jerks. This is your normal method of dodging and is a lot like when you B2B sanctuary when they were also out of war range and refused to cf them unless havoc gave you a several week cf extension.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
The hostile was real and was active. I talked with seasons leadership ~12h before your hit and Seasons leadership agreed it was a real hostile and agreed they'd stay out. You then went against your own kingdom's leadership and hit into the hostile anyway. One province, at the hostile kingdom's request, then made 1 retal for your hit into their hostile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Let's cut the bull****. You noticed us. You posted in the forum that you noticed us and were going to war us. You then backed out. There was no 24h gap in hits or anywhere close to that when BIO waved in. BIO were well below war range and just trying to FSU. BIO themselves admitted they were 2v1ing us because they didn't like Proteus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Either you legit planned to war us but then got scared when you saw that Rage would farm you, or you were coordinating **** play with BIO to double us all along. Neither makes you look good.
Asf ignored me :(
The meme comment? That stood on it's own and didn't need my feedback =] Or was there something else I missed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Nothing, I'm a dumby and can't keep my threads straight lol