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i'd like to see a further reduced effect on science after a certain point to discourage 8 weeks of pumping, and consequently, encourage more wars.
or maybe change war wins to award a % of science to the victor KD? either way, i'd just like to see more wars, and less pumps throughout the age.
edit: added "further" reduced effect.
How bout balancing both elves and orcs?
Give orcs -50% defensive combat losses, and elves -50% offensive combat losses. Orcs get punished less in ambush.
so more reason to ghetto-bash.Quote:
Originally Posted by armored giraffe
Stop trying to make it so orc doesn't have a penalty attached to its giant offense.
You're not ever going to get both giant offense and softer ambushes.
That's like fat pop-bonus, and immunity or resistance to fireballs.
Another version:Quote:
Originally Posted by VT2
You're not ever going to get both giant offense and great economy.
If the troops are so good, you shouldn't be able to train them so easily.
You aren't training them easily, with or without free draft, and they die to ambush.
Balance - right there.
Go stalk Catwalk instead, Luc.
Now, human with the old elite-price, plus 30% income...
1. Economy "boost" => easier to train troops because you have more cash
Balanced? Yes. Problem? It's just like every other race
2. Ambush protection => lose less troops, but you still need to work to retrain the ones you do lose.
Balanced? Yes. But it's not like every other race, it actually takes some strategy to make it work.
It's ok VT2, we all know of your limited brain power, and we understand why you need solutions that work for less gifted people too.
Actually Catwalk was arguing that the skill bias for Orcs was far too strong, so an easier to use solution would be better in his eyes, mine and probably VT2's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luc
I haven't looked at Catwalk's suggestions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishandra
Question though. How is the skill bias made smaller by free draft? Less experienced players will still get ambushed and fireballed and their age will suck.
My suggestion was to introduce an ambush protection for orcs. Just throwing some numbers out there i went with: 50% of ambush attempts made on orcs fail. A failed ambush results in the orc only losing 10% of the troops he would lose if the ambush had succeeded.
How simple the solution is shouldn't really matter, just how attractive the race and game is made by the change. Economy boosts is the universal solution to all problems, and using it on every race just makes the game boring.
Add another server for the non warring kd's ,those who focus on chart position let them play with themselves.Dedicate a server to those kd's willing to war oop and beyond.If the kd's in the warring server can not find a war at least every two weeks throughout age ,auto assign wars based on NW,eventually this will force more kd's to war each other without hesitation that are simular in size and NW or take the chance of auto assign war which may or may not be to thier advantage.
I would like to stress that orcs do not need 8/3 elites.
race modifications :
ORcs
- use bushels for everything instead of gc.
- using gc as bushels .
gnomes
- cant use Tg:s,forts, GS,hospitals,dungeons.
- homes are double as effective
Dwarves
- they increase +5% BE from every attack(succees), BE also decay 0,4%/hour
- they cant spell fog, instead fog randomly comes and goes .its ON 75% of time.
Efs
-Wizzards works also in 3/3 point troops, can send also in combats.
-and are created from attacks. more guilds more created form one attack.
-They have only one free general.
DE
they use runes for growing BE
80% cheaper spells
Human
they suck at magery =) .
bring us some diversity and different to races, thank you .
id like some rather simpler races/personalities like:
humans:
+30% income
+30% science bonuses
double rune costs
6/4 elites $800
spellbook: gp
elves:
+50% magic effectiveness
+1 defensive spec
-50% military losses
-5% population
6/5 elites $700
spellbook: same
dwarves:
free building construction
+30% BE
30% magic resistance
access to only spying operations
7/4 elites $1000
spellbook: fog
orcs:
+30% gains and damage on attacks
draft costs as 1 tier lower
immune to fog
+50% science costs
8/2 elites $700
spellbook: fana, agg, ms
gnomes:
+15% pop
+50% thievery effectiveness
-50% thievery costs
no access to hospitals
-35% birth rates
5/4 elites $250
spellbook: qf, tw, vermin
dark elves:
no rune costs
+50% magic damage
+1 off spec
cannot explore
-10% be
5/6 elites $800
spellbook:same
avians
-30% attack time
ignores enemy defense modifier
cannot be ambushed
+25% military losses
-10% income
6/3 elites $650
spellbook:gp,tw,ws,agg
undead
spread & immune to plague
offensive units will not die in combat
+1 stealth
elites cannot be trained (are converted from offensive specialists)
9/4 elite $-
spellbook: fana, ad, ws, vermin, pf, nm, ms
merchant:
+15% income
immune to income penalties
shepherd:
-50% training/exploring/building/researching time
no food consumption
sage:
every 2 acres generate 1 science point
immune to plague
rogue:
+1 stealth
enhanced operations
mystic:
double effectiveness on guilds
+33% mana & rune production
warrior:
-20% attack times
+25% enemy casualties
war hero:
+1 general
+50% bonuses from honor
all capacity and flat rate buildings are 25% more effective
immune to tornadoes / arson / raze & massacres
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Originally Posted by Luc
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How simple the solution is shouldn't really matter, just how attractive the race and game is made by the change. Economy boosts is the universal solution to all problems, and using it on every race just makes the game boring.
Apparently an economy boost is simpler and easier to use for less gifted people, therefore contains less skill bias than any other suggestions so far, such as ambush protection of stronger elites.Quote:
It's ok VT2, we all know of your limited brain power, and we understand why you need solutions that work for less gifted people too.
One thing I'd like to see is a way of mystics to hurt theives. Rogues have AW which can really hurt the mages. but all mages have against theives is Expose thieves. there should be a spell that kills theives. but to balance it out maybe make AW a little easier.