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Well crap Anri, I was gonna say something nice about Simians...

In all fairness, I don't know if Pyro did or didn't steal gc before their wars, but if they did, it definitely wouldn't be the first time. Silly cats did it for ages, ABS robbed from their own, others stole tons of gc from outside kd's to fund wars. That is a strategy... So I hardly think cJ needs shot over it.

As for Simians, you guys have been around this game a very long time. You've had your ups and downs, and you are definitely a favorite to pick on. But I think it says a lot for your kd that you stick together and you haven't given up. I hope you guys are around for many more years of entertainment and trolling.

For Pyro, don't worry about being called the next Simians. Last age, AMA was given that honor. Next age, it'll be someone else. Just hope you have the staying power that Simians does to ride out all the storms you'll face in your future. And what the heck, might as well cause a few storms yourself along the way. The drama and trolling is what keeps this game alive after all.

*laughs*

Some one post a false allegation, and behold the peanut gallery jump on it like flies to ****.

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Originally Posted by KyGal

Well crap Anri, I was gonna say something nice about Simians...

In all fairness, I don't know if Pyro did or didn't steal gc before their wars, but if they did, it definitely wouldn't be the first time. Silly cats did it for ages, ABS robbed from their own, others stole tons of gc from outside kd's to fund wars. That is a strategy... So I hardly think cJ needs shot over it.

As for Simians, you guys have been around this game a very long time. You've had your ups and downs, and you are definitely a favorite to pick on. But I think it says a lot for your kd that you stick together and you haven't given up. I hope you guys are around for many more years of entertainment and trolling.

For Pyro, don't worry about being called the next Simians. Last age, AMA was given that honor. Next age, it'll be someone else. Just hope you have the staying power that Simians does to ride out all the storms you'll face in your future. And what the heck, might as well cause a few storms yourself along the way. The drama and trolling is what keeps this game alive after all.

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Kygal, i know, its just sad, new KDs coming into t10 should not adapt to that kind of play. Its beneath them to do so. Some old kds might make them beleive its common practice, but its nothing but old and organized powerplay, its nothing honorable and fair about it. Pyromaniacs speaks so much about being the little guy, the newcomers that wins wars against all odds. Infact they are being monitored by a bunch of top players helping them, i am all good with that, they should get help etc, but not in the way of getting gold stocks from allies before wars. Its just a very messy thing. It has not been around much at all since absalom was removed, it was one of the things Simians and others faught for, to stop that kind of powerplay. BB/Pew/Simians/AMA did not counter absalom and friends with powerplay in such a way, we draw the line and did not fund each other gc at all. So to see a new "alliance" rise up and start sharing gc between each other is very bad. Pyromaniacs being new and all in the top as they say, they oughta learn first what is right and what is wrong. Thats all there is to it. Cant claim the we are being new card and then use the worst tricks in the book to thier favour and act as if it common practice when its not any longer.

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Originally Posted by American Badass

I use to help Pyro.
Rage use to help Pyro.
Pyro thought they knew best and it blew back in their faces. Their pre-pump and prep for CR was so bad.

There is no doubt Pyro is a great warring kingdom but they should be willing to accept they need help in the other areas of the game. If they get that from AMA then great. We tried giving it last age to them but they didn't want it. I just hope that if they are allied with AMA this age that Elit does not screw them over like he did to Pew/Simians few ages back.

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Oh that's right. It's the ama-bb-pewpew-pyro etc alliance, right?

CJ,

For what it's worth, you ought to press the enter button more often while writing big posts. It's such a slog trying to read those massive walls of text.

Also, please use the underline function a little more sparingly as it is intended to highlight small segments of a post.

When you underline or bold entire passages it looks terrible and unreadable and the formatting loses its purpose.

A lot is making sense now if Pyro was regularly having gold farmed to them prior to their wars lol

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Originally Posted by bluebear

did pyro win yet? i heard it's 25 vs 17

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I love it when people from the opposing KD try to appear as a neutral bystander. bluebear/blackbear is from CR!!

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Originally Posted by Anri

What bugs me is all gc pyro stole before wars. Its the difference between being undertrained or higher drafted or getting into a better build, often difference between win and lose esp when getting outhit. Now we know how banks was funded/trained quicker then expected and also chained core before Simians war. With our calcs econ did not add up at all. Now we know...

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Anri, we pwned Simians 2-0 the past 2 ages and both were without any outside assistance. Dont come and put your loss because we stole gc to fund our war against you, because we didnt. (I dont think any of our allies were free to give us gc then, not like we needed it or asked for it). You lost because you are noob, and you lost despite vulturing us straight oow.

You are another person that needs to look at the mirror to realise that you aint that good and you lost two wars against us, 1 of which you were waiting to vulture. And not because of outside interference. Pretty sure haters like you are going to find reasons for having lost to us.

Feel free to show my calcs on how we were not able to fund our troops against you guys. Last I recall, I was on 55% drafted while the other halfling cow was 50% drafted before start of war.

If you can find any evidence of us taking gc from outside for a war against any other kingdoms except CR, I will gladly send you a lambo.

The only time we took gc was against CR, but I am in no position to explain the rationale for doing so. And the numbers were nothing like it was mentioned on the forums (someone mentioned 100s of millions). It was Nesta's decision to do so, and I was vocal against it, and it was done when I was on sitting.

Also, there's nothing wrong listening to advice from my allies on how to structure a kingdom setup vs an opposition. WB & Tox did help significantly by suggesting the orc bait vs BB. Because we know we are not the best, we do ask around on what to do. And there are people willing to help us.

-cJ

If Havoc tells me which provinces they want to reset, I can start razekilling them.

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Originally Posted by Anri

What bugs me is all gc pyro stole before wars. Its the difference between being undertrained or higher drafted or getting into a better build, often difference between win and lose esp when getting outhit. Now we know how banks was funded/trained quicker then expected and also chained core before Simians war. With our calcs econ did not add up at all. Now we know...

Id like to ask pyro a question. How does it feel to win because others fund your wins with gc support and advicing it all for you? I have no words for how lame it is. cJ in a virtual kind of way you need a bullet between your eyes. ****players doing this should just get exterminated from the server :)

~ Anri

Simianmaniacs

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Who funded Pyros before your war? Would love to hear it. Based off one other claim you suddenly jump on it as an excuse for your incompetence?

Like KyGal said, anyone who played in top KDs for years such as Abs has been on one end of this before. It's not common but it happens.

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Originally Posted by PhoenixScorpion

You didnt do anything for Pyro. You really need to check your ego dude.

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Pyro were around before we were an ally to them.

So having resolved the one interesting question RE the use of reset and its propriety under different theories of notice to the community, we now have moved on to the most uninteresting questions from last age.

Lock thread please.

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Originally Posted by TheOne

AB, I believed We publicly acknowledged Drixx + Tox + WB + Binar + others (sorry to leave whoever out)......................

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I am speaking more about AFTER the GB took place. You pulled out and from what I understand Drixx was still willing to give help, yet you/Nesta both cut all communications with him and thought you knew best. He was willing to help you prepare against CR is what I mean by that. In regards to that GB, you did do wrong as you LEFT your ally vs a kingdom with a war button against us because we HELPED your interests originally. Surely you can understand the abuse *if* you received any from Drixx was justified as you abandoned us?

You should learn going forward that trust is a real hard thing to get back. Especially as the games numbers are dwindling. You have to look out for the interests of your allies if you want to remain allies and explain logically why you are not helping without cutting all communications and leaving.

People are already squashing rumors of an AMA-BB-Pyro-Pew alliance (Pew not so sure about, don't think they'd be stung willingly by AMA twice) but Pyro I'd ask around what happened with the AMA-BB-Pew-simians alliance the last time their competitors folded early age.

lol at cJ saying we vulture them after 96h EoWcf with WW bonus to thier side with great economic boost with banks plus 48h normal/fort stance that we waved into. Not to mention the fact we explored up to match thier size so they could not vulture us, also they tend to forget, they noticed us first and broke the CF ingame. Its a whole lot of BS coming from cJ. Not sure if its because he is nub or not. Simians faught very good and Pyro almost crumbled despite of all advantages they had. cJ even wanted to WD with procy until Nesta came in and saved the day. We know how to war from disadvantage and were not affraid of taking a loss over it because we know we did awesome against stacked odds. If roles had been reversed we would have won, its not much more to say about that war. I am happy we made you happy that get bragging rights over us, its very cute and all. Regarding first war, it was a legit win with both KDs being equals before war, its just the fact i did not lead the war, Ovenmitt did and he did terrible plus managed to fully release a province he was sitting in war to give you a free chain etc. I dont take responsibility for that war, i was on "break" and started to lead again vs Legacy, bloodbrothers and Strippers, wars we won. You did not beat me, you beat the KD of Simians, we are 25 players, and if anything you beat Ovenmitt.

And sure, you can say you did not take gc from your friends to fund the war, but we all know that is not true, just because i have not saved loggs and calcs from the situation itself does not make you look any better. I cant prove it with calcs right now and when it happend we really did not care. Its just the thing about you taking gold once again vs CR and then coming to the forums and trying to get your bragging rights over me and others and at the same time trying to act all humble and nub when it comes to top play. The fact is that you used a very old tactic to get advantages in war. Normaly its done vs the enemy if you are very bold and sometimes it can be executed in a way they cant really do anything about it. Both Cats and Simians and many others did this. You on the other hand steal from low/0 tpa targets to fund your wars, and you steal it from friends to twerk into getting advantages. Its just very low level of play and its not the way alliances is supposed to work. You see, i am old school and im brought up with the standards of KLA and if **** like that had been going on infront of my face i had raped into my own alliance, because there is certain god damn standards in this game that people should honor, if they dont honor it, well they gotta play ball and remember what is done to others should be done to them. You are making ****play like that not questionable and wrinkle your nose like its nothing, its okey, others done it in the past and so will we. I dont find it near as amusing as the rest in the top that seem to think this is okey. Pewpew to be one of the funders of your wars, they make it okey aswell to powerplay like this. No one see anything wrong about this and you try to make **** right in here with me and others. You said it yourself, like the clown you are, that you did fund your own KD vs CR. I understand if you dont want to admit the rest, it would make you look even worse.

There is just a lot behind all of your fancy talk in here and i see straight thru you, like a ****ing book. You are not only noob, you are a worse then most when it comes to ****play and powerplay and you act upon it and feel high and mighty in some posts and in other posts just working on being humble. Well screw that, you are nothing of it. You post what you think others want to hear while i dont give a flying F about players of your kind. I post here out of pity for utopia itself and to what level the game has decayed with leaders like you making ****play being a legit thing. You are sprung up like some new kid on the block and call me noob when i have 10 times the experience compared to you. I dont need to explain myself regarding this. You got a lot to learn even if your learning curve is high, but telling me i am noob is hillarious after a ****load of posts where you showed zero understanding of some very well known details regarding game mechanics and other weird **** you done ingame. Sure, you can use the i won over Simians card, but that does not make you any better. I feel bad for Nesta, having to put up with you and teaching you about every step, he must struggle hard.

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Originally Posted by Anri

If roles had been reversed we would have won, its not much more to say about that war.

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No ****, Sherlock?! Even though I think you'd likely mess up anyway...

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Originally Posted by topsy's revenge

Kygal, it has nothing to do with them being new. I am a newer player than probably anyone in their kd. Zauper and I post more in the strategy section of these forums than any other leaders from top kd's. I am in PM with new players from ghettos in IRC regularly. Munk provides tools and services to multiple ghettos across the game. Hawk provides an entire server where most people using stinger reside. Furthermore, last age after our hostile with pyro we gave them line by line details about how we prepped for them and why doing a sci pump leading up to an eoa war was a bad idea.

On the flip side let's look at Pyro's actions. Last age when they realized they had messed up their prep they whined to an ally and robbed hundreds of millions of gc in preperation for us. When that still led to them getting farmed out they complained of internal issues(which turned out to be someone who had already set sitter) and internally blaimed our sci advantage. This was when they had 4 days of pumping over us and when their mistakes were clear to anyone who has had a war inwhich you prep. After the cf they then farmed out to a friendly ally. This age, they go 20 hum/wh+5 fae/myst which is likely the worst possible setup oop that a top kd could go. Furthermore they train almost all off and no tpa and have a pure whore build. When they get waved by us instead of recognizing why they are in such a bad situation they make up conspiracies about one of our leaders spying on them through his servers(which he is kind enough to host for THEIR use). They also instantly go whine to Bishop about something which obviously was counterproductive as it forced us to war 23v25.

It has nothing to do with Pyro being new, but rather with their mentality.

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Why do you post in strategy section, are you trying to make the new players more bad? Just look at what your advice has done to drixx. Quit pretending to be all strategic i still remember when you were running bb when flogger was Mia and all the horrible mistakes committed by that kd, still gives me a laugh.