Proposal to end he Awar

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Originally Posted by Mithras

Never questioned your response. Facts are that acres were offered to compensate for the damage and you didn't take them untill several days later. Not contesting anything there.

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How do we take acres when we are fat from war and in eow. Oh and then they went to war as well.

I miss the dog pictures.

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Mithras confirmed John Snow.

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He knows what people want him to know only

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Originally Posted by Anri

All talk that happend was based on us getting prov crown and not fighting/warring BB to steal your precious crown from beneath you.

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This is, unfortunatly you living in your bouble. All talk (except the things you talked about) was about Emeriti securing the age without wierdness from simians or agreeing t giving away the prov crown. Had you payed attention you would have noticed the motives of the other ppl around you and not just your own, The fact that I seem to be more aware about what happened after reading the logs than you are after actualy talking there is worrysome on your behalf :(

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Originally Posted by SnirpsneR

How do we take acres when we are fat from war and in eow. Oh and then they went to war as well.

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You have farmed free acres of more kingdoms than I can count this age. I got high thoughts about your skills at farming free acres. That never worried you.

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Originally Posted by Pale

The deal was not offered to us before any conversions, considering I'm the steward and had no message about it. I got a phone call that woke me up concerning the razes and the only information I had is your first message about "act fast". I ordered upping drafts and some build changes, got who I could online which was most of our top. We didn't find out about your "offer" till well behind the fact. Keep spinning it bro.. Protector was asleep and wouldn't even see messages till hours and hours later. You can offer more than was taken all you want, but in post-war cf it will take quite a bit of time to get that stuff back and I did what any leader would do in that situation, protector ourselves. You'd already crossed the line, any assumptions about what could happen now to us was based on the information we had at the time. Your offer wasn't on the table yet until protector woke up.

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I have a suggestion for you: talk to flogger and protector. Flogger showed up ~10 minutes after the razes and I told him but all he wanted to do was to kill me. When protector got on, like 1h after the razes, I offered everything to him.

I also have a question for you: Why did you ignore my message?

Kinda hard to wave u and take that free land. So lesson is don't raze in eow.

Wtf does he have to reply asap? Prot would've been on 8h later so he could've dealt with it.

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Originally Posted by Mithras

Never questioned your response. Facts are that acres were offered to compensate for the damage and you didn't take them untill several days later. Not contesting anything there.

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So if you never questioned the response and every conversation of diplo with me involved me wanting someone punished and you refused every such suggestion, what's the issue that we have? We wanted someone to punish and you didn't want to have anyone punished so can't we all just shut up and slug it out? If that's not appealing then I'd also recommend just shutting up and telling leshrak to say yes to the deal on the table.

I'm on my way to bed on my phone and I hate using my phone for uto? It's eowcf. What on earth can be so important that I can't get a decent nights sleep or wait for protector to come on and deal with it. You said you sent him a message. I figured he could handle it when he woke up. You can't blame me for your honourless actions bud. I was tired and wanted to sleep. It wasn't anything that couldn't wait as discussed earlier.

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Originally Posted by Pale

The offer was not made to me and I was the only one around. I don't have that offer when I order the switches, which you guys keep on claiming. Fact: I don't. Protector wasn't available. The consequences of Bour's actions for us are what they are. He didn't even bother to make that same offer to me. You then blame us for not taking that deal he offered because it was "fair". None of this was fair. Us getting hit into eowcf isn't fair, us being asked to take some bs deal that will take time to come to fruition is not fair, us having lost tons of gold stock, expensive EPA, WPA, and science because of his actions are not fair. Him taking the suggestion of some Emeriti leaders and doing it in the first place is not fair. And we're the bad guys? Dream on.

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Dude, you never answered my message... I have made several attempts to contact people from BB and they were all ignored until the razes. I even went to your public irc channel. Right after the razes, Flogger showed up on irc and I talked with him until protector showed up.

PS Stop crying about what you lost, it was ~1.5% acres and everythign was offered right back + compensation.

We told you a long time ago it wasn't about the land. It was about everything else. Mostly the opportunity to fight a fair fight against emeriti in the coming week or 2.

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Originally Posted by DoOrDie

Dude, you never answered my message... I have made several attempts to contact people from BB and they were all ignored until the razes. I even went to your public irc channel. Right after the razes, Flogger showed up on irc and I talked with him until protector showed up.

PS Stop crying about what you lost, it was ~1.5% acres and everythign was offered right back + compensation.

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Originally Posted by Mithras

This is, unfortunatly you living in your bouble. All talk (except the things you talked about) was about Emeriti securing the age without wierdness from simians or agreeing t giving away the prov crown. Had you payed attention you would have noticed the motives of the other ppl around you and not just your own, The fact that I seem to be more aware about what happened after reading the logs than you are after actualy talking there is worrysome on your behalf :(

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The most worrying part here is that Simians and BB stopped playing the last two weeks of the age because we both were in the belief of having made a deal to a honest group of players.

The deal included us not waving BB to dodge Emeriti so we could win the age and force emeriti hand to dealbreak us.
The deal included Emeriti ending #1, Simians #2, BB #3 and for the exchange of giving the age crown to Emeriti we would get the prov crown.
The deal also included we stop all growth, BB ofc does not pursue the all ready planned explore to win the prov crown.
All just phase out the age from this understanding and Simians hand over 30k acres, the final price for all of this.

We stopped a incoming wave on BB to make all of this happen, we ONLY stopped the plans in motion because we could be given the prov crown without hassle and BB agreed it was the right thing to do and so did ASF.

Not sure why i even try, because you are so ignorant and you cant grasp things like this.
You have no idea why people feel like destroying Emeriti over things they do.
Keep act all innocent, we see how this works out for you.

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Originally Posted by flogger

So if you never questioned the response and every conversation of diplo with me involved me wanting someone punished and you refused every such suggestion, what's the issue that we have? We wanted someone to punish and you didn't want to have anyone punished so can't we all just shut up and slug it out? If that's not appealing then I'd also recommend just shutting up and telling leshrak to say yes to the deal on the table.

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Just saying that you were offered ample compensation that was above and beyond what was reasonanable and you still choose to spin a GB out of it. A reaction that was not only a clear dealbreak but also a selfishly motivated elimination of competition to boost your ego and that it had nothing to do with anything resembling right or justified.

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Originally Posted by Pale

I'm on my way to bed on my phone and I hate using my phone for uto? It's eowcf. What on earth can be so important that I can't get a decent nights sleep or wait for protector to come on and deal with it. You said you sent him a message. I figured he could handle it when he woke up. You can't blame me for your honourless actions bud. I was tired and wanted to sleep. It wasn't anything that couldn't wait as discussed earlier.

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Did you order the "conversion" after reading my message or after the razes?

Razes. Duh.

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Originally Posted by Pale

We told you a long time ago it wasn't about the land. It was about everything else. Mostly the opportunity to fight a fair fight against emeriti in the coming week or 2.

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And I offered to protector, right after the razes, anything that would make that fight fair again (except a farmwar). But he wasn't interested in that anymore.

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Originally Posted by Pale

Razes. Duh.

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Then it means the offer was made before your conversion, it just wasn't made to you ;)

Conspiracy theory #101 vs abs
DoOrDie was in CP kd last age and dealt Emeriti the button

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Originally Posted by Mithras

Just saying that you were offered ample compensation that was above and beyond what was reasonanable and you still choose to spin a GB out of it. A reaction that was not only a clear dealbreak but also a selfishly motivated elimination of competition to boost your ego and that it had nothing to do with anything resembling right or justified.

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We made clear what our compensation was and you said no. Deal with your failed diplo instead of blaming others

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Originally Posted by flogger

We made clear what our compensation was and you said no. Deal with your failed diplo instead of blaming others

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The GB was set up from the start. No failed diplo in any way. Nothing we could have given would have been enough for you since you were lying about your motives being a GB and nothing else. All around it is just fluff to keep the crowd off focus.

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Originally Posted by Mithras

The GB was set up from the start. No failed diplo in any way. Nothing we could have given would have been enough for you since you were lying about your motives being a GB and nothing else. All around it is just fluff to keep the crowd off focus.

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Maybe you should try a different approach seeing your KD is shattered

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Originally Posted by Aranfein

Err lampost why?... wtf?

What does that have to do with Sheister? i really dont follow why you even posted that?

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Sheister has spent the last 60 pages explaining how Emeritis offer of compensation did not make up for the damage caused. You seem to be saying its simply about bloodthirsty revenge.

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Originally Posted by lampost

Sheister has spent the last 60 pages explaining how Emeritis offer of compensation did not make up for the damage caused. You seem to be saying its simply about bloodthirsty revenge.

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Except Sheister is wrong.

I made propositions right after the razes that were repairing the damage done and well beyond that.

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Originally Posted by Anri

Maybe you should try a different approach seeing your KD is shattered

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I don't try to change facts cuz they dont suit me. Thats your game.

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Originally Posted by Mithras

The GB was set up from the start. No failed diplo in any way. Nothing we could have given would have been enough for you since you were lying about your motives being a GB and nothing else. All around it is just fluff to keep the crowd off focus.

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Well you can believe what you want but I didn't begin diplo with Asf having my mind made up, wouldn't have wasted the time. If bour bit the bullet I probably just get Ya to put our cf first before pyro and we move on.

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Originally Posted by Mithras

I don't try to change facts cuz they dont suit me. Thats your game.

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I dont cheat and screw others to win, you do.
About time you suffer some damn consequences for it.

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Originally Posted by flogger

Well you can believe what you want but I didn't begin diplo with Asf having my mind made up, wouldn't have wasted the time. If bour bit the bullet I probably just get Ya to put our cf first before pyro and we move on.

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Thanks for confirming

Well I didn't confirm anything but if Ya need to be mad at us rather than just own up then feel free!

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Originally Posted by lampost

Sheister has spent the last 60 pages explaining how Emeritis offer of compensation did not make up for the damage caused. You seem to be saying its simply about bloodthirsty revenge.

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And those two things are not inconsistent. The offer can (and is) be insufficient and the primary motivation can still be revenge,

lampost so 2 people cant have different views on events?

I still dont get what it is you wish to say or point out with your post... Sheister points out rather well how it can be connected.

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Originally Posted by flogger

Well I didn't confirm anything but if Ya need to be mad at us rather than just own up then feel free!

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Oh man, he got you flogger!

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Originally Posted by flogger

We made clear what our compensation was and you said no. Deal with your failed diplo instead of blaming others

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The compensation you was demanded was that your only competition drop out of competition YR1. That is not compensation. You were offered whatever land, gc, cf timings, or other reparations that were needed to ensure that BB's position was as good or better than it would have been had Bour never razed. You were offered whatever actual compensation BB felt needed to fix their position completely. You were not interested in any deal that let Emeriti have anything close to a fair war against BB. You were also given 2.8x the lost acres back form Bour plus his kingdom agreed to be limited by BB set acre caps which is essentially what BB said they wanted from Bour all along.

You tried to threaten the kingdom ahead of you on the charts who was your only real competition to surrender the age to you YR 1 under implied threats of deal break and gang bang. The kingdom you were trying to blackmail had already apologized to you and offered whatever was needed to ensure BB was not harmed. I'd recommend any kingdom you try such **** play on to not fall victim to such threats of dishonorable play but to instead play fair themselves, offer generous compensation to right any wrongs, and if you are still so desperate as to deal break and gb into a war, then you will only expose yourself for a coward. This is exactly what Emeriti did and what you did.

1 thing i dont get is why dont you both pull out and leave it at that, you can both donate me 30k acres each and we call it case closed and i wont send my kd in to whoop you both ;)

I think we need a proxy war where we each aid a 17 province ghetto to greatness against the other

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Originally Posted by SnirpsneR

Had you given up on age there would be no gb.

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Gee such a choice. "Give up on the age or we'll break our formal cf deal with you and gb you into your legit war despite you apologizing and offering generous compensation of whatever we felt needed to completely fix our position!"

I'd be completely embarrassed to act so terrified of a lone kingdom and would never stoop to such levels.

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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

You were offered whatever land, gc, cf timings, or other reparations that were needed to ensure that BB's position was as good or better than it would have been had Bour never razed. You were offered whatever actual compensation BB felt needed to fix their position completely. You were not interested in any deal that let Emeriti have anything close to a fair war against BB.

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WPA loss, science loss, etc is not fixable. You keep saying the same thing even though it's obviously not true. You can only really offer land and gc but that does not "ensure that BB's position was as good or better. You and bour can't give some things back to us just based on game mechanics alone. Then we find out it was at your suggestion that bour does the aggregious act in the first place. Once you send your friend in to do this, do you really deserve a fair 1v1 war? We would say no, you obviously disagree. You can call us the bad guys, blame us, do whatever you like. You've been doing it already. We didn't suggest to our friend that he hit into eowcf and interrupt our opponents pump. That would be you.

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Originally Posted by Sheister

And those two things are not inconsistent. The offer can (and is) be insufficient and the primary motivation can still be revenge,

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Originally Posted by Aranfein

As for compensation, STOP mentioning it...The damage was done and they had NO intentions of letting you get away with it. The compensation might have been fair had BB not wanted revenge, but they wanted revenge so the compensation is of little value no matter what was offered.

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Sheister, They seem to be pretty inconsistent. Aranfein seems to be agreeing that its about revenge, the compensation offered was irrelevant. You're basing the whole GB and Dealbreak on the fact that a fair offer of compensation was not given.

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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

The compensation you was demanded was that your only competition drop out of competition YR1. That is not compensation. You were offered whatever land, gc, cf timings, or other reparations that were needed to ensure that BB's position was as good or better than it would have been had Bour never razed. You were offered whatever actual compensation BB felt needed to fix their position completely. You were not interested in any deal that let Emeriti have anything close to a fair war against BB. You were also given 2.8x the lost acres back form Bour plus his kingdom agreed to be limited by BB set acre caps which is essentially what BB said they wanted from Bour all along.

You tried to threaten the kingdom ahead of you on the charts who was your only real competition to surrender the age to you YR 1 under implied threats of deal break and gang bang. The kingdom you were trying to blackmail had already apologized to you and offered whatever was needed to ensure BB was not harmed. I'd recommend any kingdom you try such **** play on to not fall victim to such threats of dishonorable play but to instead play fair themselves, offer generous compensation to right any wrongs, and if you are still so desperate as to deal break and gb into a war, then you will only expose yourself for a coward. This is exactly what Emeriti did and what you did.

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For about the 20th time, me and zauper did diplomacy after I did it with you. Like do you even read what other people write?