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So protective.
We waved you earlier only when both you and your opponent cancel the dragon. The kingdom that you kept hitting cease their hits for more than 12h and even offer a cf. totally different situation. Now in order to help ed , you twisted the facts and use this as a pretext to help Ed firmly secure the win. Yah, you could say u didn't snatch news as well. Anyway, perfect teamwork down there.
Well, lets just say that i hate BSers that act all innocent on forum :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Feint
ED does have several chances to end the hostility but din wanna do so. ED first tested the situation by sending hits into BoB. BoB retal. When they made a mistake of giving relation, BoB retal with ops. BoB continued with hits on ED TMs . Total no. of hits remained the same for both sides. ED argued that its different when the hits are on TMs and demanded a free hits and a cf. Why? Cos ED want things THEIR WAY. BoB refused to give in to their demand. ED could had chose to end the hostility by moving on, but hell no, this will be a compromise of their greatness having to give in to others. They chose to wave BoB. BoB retal n even tagged to indicate their stand. Being stubborn idiots, BoB kept retal ED hits and even started dragon to indicate their conviction to retal all the way. However, ED probably sees this as the golden reason to keep hitting into BoB for the war. Seriously, if ED really wanted to end the hostility, they could had done so. Along the few days of prolonged hostility, they could had offered CF but they din. Cos ED argued that there was no agreement to the terms of the cf and rather spent their time posting in the forum complaining instead of doing the simple task of offering cf. ED wanted BoB monarch to confirm the terms before they actually offered. no reply from BoB, hostility continued. come on man. how hard is it to offer cf? click of a button? ED simply need to have everyone playing by their rules.
In the meanwhile, BoB kept retal n brought up to hostile for both sides. BoB kept sending dragons over to ED without pressing the button. Without the confirmation from BoB monarch n by not playing by their rules, ED just have the perfect reason to keep hitting BoB. ED have nothing to lose. Try to force a war with BoB or get free acres n move on.
It is ok. Just a game. Seeing how u taunt your opponent earlier(coward, push the button) just like what Ed did to us. What else can we say? Birds of the same feather flock together. Best partnership I ever seen. Jerks , Roughkneck or even Braveheart are so mch better than the two of you. Simply can't fight 1 on 1.
WTH!l??? Just a coincidental wave from Rusty despite the long hostility gg on? Congrats to ED and their tactics for getting the war with BoB!!! Well planned, well executed and well-deserved! BoB is screwed!!! All their stubborn efforts coming down the drain...
Speaking about yourself?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pak
At the end of the day, BoB has no position in the rough cruel Utopia world, cos u guys are stubborn idiots trying to fight 1 v 1 on fair grounds. Wake up ur idea BoB!!! BoB should disband soon... Or eventually...
Maybe you could show us the news page that we hit into your hostile????
Rust sent ED this
Hey,
I saw you guys getting some flack in forums so i jsut wanted to enlighten you on what transpired with BoB
First of all: They double hostiled us when we were in a week long retal war (active hostil)
January 12 of YR8 ? The Friendly Elf (BoB) attacked and stole from Bird bones (RUSTY).
January 12 of YR8 ? Uruk-hai has sent an aid shipment to New Challenges Ahead.
January 12 of YR8 ? Tartarus (BoB) attacked and stole from Bird bones (RUSTY).
January 12 of YR8 ? Crazy Horse (BoB) attacked and stole from Bird bones (RUSTY).
January 12 of YR8 ? Crazy Horse (BoB) attacked and stole from Bird bones (RUSTY).
January 12 of YR8 ? An unknown province from Into the Blue hostile (BoB) attacked and stole from Bird bones (RUSTY).
January 13 of YR8 ? mister snugglebunny has sent an aid shipment to V - VICTORIA - V.
January 13 of YR8 ? Where The Shadows Lie (BoB) attacked and stole from Hippopotomonstrosesquippedalio (RUSTY).
January 13 of YR8 ? Where The Shadows Lie (BoB) attacked and stole from Hippopotomonstrosesquippedalio (RUSTY).
January 13 of YR8 ? Taimei Returns (BoB) attacked and stole from argofudgeyourself (RUSTY).
January 13 of YR8 ? Im Crazyon Lee (BoB) attacked and stole from argofudgeyourself (RUSTY).
January 13 of YR8 ? An unknown province from Into the Blue hostile (BoB) attacked and stole from The Count of Monte Cristo (RUSTY).
January 14 of YR8 ? We have proposed a ceasefire offer to Into the Blue hostile (BoB).
January 14 of YR8 ? Wasabi Bean Nuts (BoB) attacked and stole from *****ing (RUSTY).
January 14 of YR8 ? Wasabi Bean Nuts (BoB) attacked and stole from *****ing (RUSTY).
January 14 of YR8 ? Wasabi Bean Nuts (BoB) attacked and stole from *****ing (RUSTY).
January 14 of YR8 ? First In Class (BoB) attacked and stole from The Count of Monte Cristo (RUSTY).
January 14 of YR8 ? First In Class (BoB) attacked and stole from The Count of Monte Cristo (RUSTY).
So we just wanted to return the favour to them. Also we figured they would rather declare / war us then you guys. They decided to declare near the end of our wave on the 22nd and we have stopped hits on them since the 22nd.*
These guys are lying / crying and BSing in the forums. They know they double hostiled us, we were just returning the favor! I told them, what goes around comes around and that karmas a B...*
Anyways, best of luck in your war and if you have any questions or comments about anything, let me know
Ryan
So if anything really, ED should be annoyed that Rusty tried to steal our war out from under us
Those logs don't prove that BoB waved into a hostile. Just shows one wave by BoB into Rusty. And if rusty players were following these forums, it makes it even worse that they thought they should double hostile BoB as we know ED has already been waving BoB for a week or so. Of course we can suspect collusion, but ED usually has enough class to fight battles on their own.
BoB was dumb enough to make 3 hits into Havoc during the retalwar with ED. If ED wanted to be lame, we had justification to wave in.Quote:
Originally Posted by SillyRabbit
For the time from January 1 of YR8 till January 23 of YR8 - 23 hoursQuote:
Originally Posted by Feint
[ http://home-world.org/utopia/formatter/ - Seraphim online formatter ]
** The kingdom of XX:XX ** Our KD in Hostile
Total land exchanged: -71 (50/18)
** The kingdom of XX:XX ** <---- Your KD
Total land exchanged: +140 (16/0)
We were in hostile with another KD all this time and you did 16 hits, still surprised you got a wave from us????
Besides, if we would want to help out ED, we wouldnt have done a Learn wave on you, which we did. Both you guys and we know why we made this wave. So i say it one more time, quit BSing on the forums and save both our and your time. Nuff said.
The real point is this:
BoB did a learn wave into Rusty right after we accepted a CF after a 3 days hostile. Our kd was heavilly battered from it, so BoB decided to do free learn wave as they knew we could never take them up on war it at that point.
So thats the real deal here, sure you waved right after we took the CF, but you knew we had been in a long hostile (tagged + check paper) and took advantage of it.
Hence, here we are, us doing a retal wave when the timing is rly bad for your kd, BoB, sounds familair ? A case of what comes around goes around and all there is to it.
How long should they have waited? 1 hour? 6 hours? 12? 2 days? If the cf was signed, your previous hostile had ended. Utopia has always been about timing. Their wave may have been when you were weakened, but it wasn't a double hostile. What rusty just did is clear double hostile. I personally don't care about any of the kds involved, but I would imagine you've given BoB good reason to hit you guys back at an unsavory time.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SillyRabbit
and this conflict will not end here..
My experience with BoB is that they wave and move on. They promptly agree to CF when their business is done. At no point were we put off by their timing. Nobody likes being waved, but they never pushed the fact we were in no position to answer. Can't be said for a lot of kingdoms.
2 hits in hostile and Wave the tick direclty after CF. I think they understand why we retailed, which is perfectly normal for a KD to do. And to try cover it by saying we are teaming with ED is just... LOL
If BoB was that afraid of ooh hits they should have either cf'ed us or pushed the button.
Instead half their kd was doing plunders 24/7. 3 hits into havoc for example.
ED have only hit BoB during this conflict. No ooh hits.
We too have eaten randoms though.
Lol. Nice logs. Too bad I am too lazy to paste those news page. I just know for a fact, rusty hit into people war. Out of those 20 over hits, they claimed kingdom page not updated. Guess they didn't take intel as well when doing hits. All out of that many hits, none realised we got war status. Regard to hit on havoc , my guys pm an apology. Well, you could have a noob giving ppl relations, so do we. And we got tons of spells and damages received.
For rusty, your opponent had refuse to war for days and even tag. He even posted in forum to ask for help. We didn't interfere as we are interested only in war as I had posted in that thread earlier. We saw no hits from that kingdom on you. And both sides cancel dragon to each other in subsequent tick. Only then we start waving. But not for free learns. We wanted war. U offered cf, we did accept. And didn't do like what u did to your opponent. And u did a great job by having selectively news copy and sent to ED to justify your actions. Haha. So you wan to let ED know you did them a favor?
No. First, you let ppl mistaken the two of your kingdom need to double team BoB to get a war win( still a ? That you guys could still be in cahoot) Second, ED already got a 2 mill nw lead. With your wave, even if Ed won, that will be an ugly win. Well, I know you won't care. Cos win is still a win. Ed so desperate to top the chart?
I like how when a KD hits BoB it's automatically assumed that ED must have asked them too, even though earlier in this thread you could see a prov in Rusty threatening ED last age.
About the taunt, it's not that there "was nothing about it", we wanted to war BoB when we sent it however we also messaged other KDs looking for a war at the same time. Why did BoB get the taunt? Because Parth wanted to send them one, isn't that the whole reason for them, to "taunt people into a fight"?
BoB said they didn't want a war even though we offered them a lot of things to get us on even ground, the reason we grew is that the KDs who were scouting us were bigger and we felt we needed banks to help vs. any threats like Freakstyle who were constantly scouting us. Had nothing to do with out growing KDs nor trying to run for them.
We then had a war offer for 8 days time, so we were doing random plunders and learns, which lead to Koko hitting BoB x2, after that has all been covered, this wasn't some excuse to go hostile with BoB and be bullies the simple fact is ONE prov in ED made a mistake and BoB thought they could op the whole KD and hit 2 other random provs.
I don't care if Koko had of hit them OOW, I wouldn't take that s**t from any KD where they think they can retal everyone for one prov. Many people might think a KD should be accountable for the actions of their provs and I'd agree, however life isn't fair and neither is utopia, we're the bigger KD and BoB over-stepped a line with their retals, we could have just waved them right there and then but tried diplomacy which was refused.
I really couldn't care if people don't believe the version of events which I've posted through this thread, I have no reason to lie. If we wanted to just hit BoB then we would have, why the hell would we care if people think we're "bullies" for doing it? The fact that we offered multiple CF chances to BoBs leadership should totally destroy the theory that we had this planned all along, you might want to remember that it was players in BoB who came into this thread and told us they were going to EoA retal war us not the other way around.
ED, let enjoy the war. I don't care what had happened. Enough of trolling. Though very much weaken by the 30 over hits just before we declare, we will try put on our best shot. With regards to your relationship with rusty, I will just put it behind at the moment. Thanks for those who had speak up for us. Appreciated it.
We assumed because it would be the best time to get an outside kingdom to wave us for 2 good reasons. 1 is to weaken us ( just when hostile point will be max out within 2 waves)and 2 is to force a war by choosing between Ed or rusty instead of dragging. The retal War will definitely go into war unless we sat back and let u feed as u had mentioned earlier. Anyone would have guess war would happen since we had been retalling non stop. And rusty hit us when our hostile points are 138-200. Such a good timing.Why not wave us earlier or later ? U can't blame us for suspecting. When we waved rusty earlier, cf offered, we accept. We didn't see any issue on hitting into their hostile.
A fact that we will remember for sure- rusty hit into active hostile and into war. ED may be involved. But I would Not point my finger at them cos it is me who need to have evidence to prove ED is guilty but I do not have any. Fair enough?
Claps. This clear the air. We did not hit Into your hostile. So on what ground you retal us back while we in active hostile?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrmonkey
Seems like you have a hard time understanding that if you wave a KD (especially when they are in a bad situation and a underdog), there is a BIG possibility they will retail (As we did) and there is nothing strange about that. And here are some other points you wrote:
Did a SN on you just now and here are the results:Quote:
Originally Posted by Feint
February 22 of YR9 V - VICTORIA - V (XX:XX) attacked and stole from YouKnowWho (XX:XX).
February 22 of YR9 Bird bones (XX:XX) attacked and stole from Wasabi Bean Nuts (XX:XX).
February 22 of YR9 V - VICTORIA - V (XX:XX) attacked and stole from YouKnowWho (XX:XX).
February 22 of YR9 Bird bones (XX:XX) attacked and stole from Wasabi Bean Nuts (XX:XX).
February 22 of YR9 Orc Smash (XX:XX) attacked and stole from The Friendly Elf (XX:XX).
February 22 of YR9 We have declared WAR on Evil Dragons HOSTILE (XX:XX)!
We already had started doing wave on you before you declared so please get your facts straight.
As I've said i hate BSers and the one that posted in forum was even a bigger BSer then you. He was just looking for outside help while they were still hitting us. Will not discuss this matter any further about our last hostility here. You guys didnt see any hits from them on us?Quote:
Originally Posted by Feint
** The kingdom of XX:XX ** <--- The KD we were hostile with
Total land exchanged: XXX (118/xxx)
Once again, you seem very off with your facts. So stop BSing in the forum.
Serioulsy, WHY would we send all our News copy with aid etc and other IRRELEVANT info to ED. The info that is needed is sent to them that you waved us, that is the point we wanted to make with the PM. Cant even believe that I actually have to explain this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feint
First of, you did make 2 hits IN our hostile on diffrent occassions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feint
We had been in 3days in hostile with the other KD when you decided to do a KD wave on us RIGHT after we CFd. And in those conditions we cant possibly be in shape of defending ourself since we were in the shape of a KD that have just went OOW. Yet you decided to wave us. Now we retailed and hoped for a war. If you didnt notice we also changed our KD name right after your hits "We dont forget". You can cry all you want but please dont be so n00bish and try to cover your "future loss" by saying we and ED were teamed up.
Karma is a B...
Why don't u post those hits after war is declared. You are so good in choosing evidence that only show one side of the story. I didn't get my fact right? Didn't u hit while we in active hostile with Ed and still continue hit close to 20 times after war declared. If you talking abt karma, then u should send only 2 hits now. And wait for the cf between bob and Ed to end, then u wave straight away. Any person in clear mind would have understand this if you wan to talk abt karma.
You worried abt the being raze killed by the community for hitting into ppl war right? That is why u are so defensive and keep supporting yourself with carefully chosen news. Don't worry. Next time don't do it again, ok? Be a good boy
Ill quote myself:Quote:
Originally Posted by Feint
We didnt knew you had declared. Right after we got the info we stopped doing hits on you guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pak
Well a person that can play this game understands that we didnt have 4 days of CF when you hit us (You hit us immidetly) like you will have with ED.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feint
And yes, I will still say you dont got your facts straight since there are plenty of things unanswerd from my previous post that you havent made any comments on. Like lying about the other KD havent done any hits on us and you beeing very "innocent" and waved a KD (Us) that was untouched in a hostile and bashing the other another KD. <--- what you are trying to portrate here. Please stop throwing dirt on other KDs without even knowing what you are talking about.
I am not involved with either KD in any way and dont rly care about the situation but I cant help calling BS on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pak
If you take sot on someone in war theres a huge ass "This province is at WAR" warning on the sot.
Dude, seriously do you have a hard time understanding what i wrote earlier. We didnt manipulate the news, just take out the part that is irrelevant. Seems like you have a hard time understanding that. Please read my previous posts since you are making no sense. Ive already made myself clear on previous posts here.
Once again if we would like to hit you again we could, but we wont. Since we dont hit people in War. We stopped right after seeing you declared war. You are talking about "defensive" lol? The only thing Im doing is pointing out your lies and answer to your argues. But ofcourse you are unable to come back with some facts and arguements. You are just ignoring them since you know you are wrong and whining with false statements etc.
Go back to playing with barbies, you might be able to play with them without using your brain.
Exaclty. When we saw that the new sots were coming out inacc we stopped hitting. But we had plenty of sots right before they declared war as we started waving BEFORE they went into war. They declared war at the time we were waving and we had already done some of the hits. Have already clarified this earlier citadela, but Ill write it once more if you havent seen it.Quote:
Originally Posted by citadela01
Our wave against them wasnt wrong, if you want to know the reason for it, watch previous posts. Need to see the whole picture.
If we really wanted extra help we would not have asked rusty.
And we would not have asked for learns but trads.
One has to remember a lot of the nw diff comes from our 3 big provs. Almost our entire kd is breakable to BoB.
Also topfeed is way better than bottomfeed when it comes to honorgains.
We should be able to win...but gain honor...who knows.
Still an open war though and BoB is quite good. Better than I expected.(had barely heard of em before)
You kept waving even war was declared, how low can you go?
Im not going to repeat myself. If you want the full story read the previous posts, and please stop throwing dirt on KDs when you know nothing about the facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by LightWolf
We dont regret waving BoB (what goes around comes around). But it wasnt meant to be when they had declared war. They did it in the middle of our wave so we didnt knew. Stopped direclty after we saw, or they would have had more hits on them.
Btw, the main reason I started writing in this thread was to clarify that we didnt "team up" with ED. And I think that should be pretty clear by now.
i like how people are just spamming away and have no idea what happend... bob waved into rusty's hostile... rusty came back and retal wave bob for payback... Rusty wanted to war bob.. They knew bob was being hit by ed but not pushing button... So rusty waved hoping to give them button trying to suck bob into fighting rusty instead of ed because rusty has less members... So go ahead and keep making up false information... unbelievable.. its called simple tactics of trying to get a war sometimes.. there was no collaboration.
who is rusty?