AMA vs sanct round 2

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16-04-2013, 12:26
tak3shi

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Originally Posted by prot

If its your allies, yea definitely. Should get your allies to gtfo

Cats has always robbed kds and they aren't allies with anyone. I never said robbing is hostile, but when Sanc robs AMA while/during Havoc notice, it's lame as **** and deserves punishment

So Elit Target sharing abs kds sanc included before they warred isn't lame as ****? And why didn't Elit initiate a cf after war with Sanc? Logical isn't it.
16-04-2013, 12:30
tak3shi

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Originally Posted by Elurin

Double hostile is double hostile. Abs should stop trying to justify their actions. Learn from flogger & baka a few ages back vs. us - in the end they stopped trying to provide any justification and just admitted they doubled us cause they wanted to and cause it was beneficial. I don't approve of it and would not do it, but it's at least less BS.

Going by that reasoning if Havoc double hostiled AMA, pew2 double hostiled Sanc. If you considered Sanc vs AMA to be a 1v1 situation but Havoc noticed AMA before AMA waved Sanc and Pew2 noticed Sanc before AMA waved Sanc.

When you were doubled it was clear cut can you consider this clear cut? If stealing is a hostile action you must have doubled, tripled, quadrapled hostile tons of kd's.
16-04-2013, 12:30
DHaran

Elit acting like a dufus is just as much a cause as anything else for all this, but double hostiles are still really lame. If you don't like someone, just beat em straight up.
16-04-2013, 12:37
Elit

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Originally Posted by DHaran

Elit acting like a dufus is just as much a cause as anything else for all this, but double hostiles are still really lame. If you don't like someone, just beat em straight up.

Lame or not they did it so i'm doing what is can.

** Kingdom news report **
For the time from April 1 of YR8 till April 19 of YR8 - 19 hours
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** Summary **
Total attacks made: 27 (18,622 acres)
-- Traditional march: 25 (17,960 acres)
-- Ambush: 1 (182 acres)
-- Conquest: 1 (480 acres)
-- Uniques: 4
Total attacks suffered: 40 (23,905 acres)
-- Traditional march: 37 (23,905 acres)
-- Failed: 3 (7.5% failure)
-- Uniques: 32

** The kingdom of AMA **
Total land exchanged: -5,283 (27/40)
+15,002 An unknown province (23/0)
-574 Dont end up like your Father (0/1)
-728 Use your brain (1 [1]/2)
-920 Incest Is Best (1 [1]/2)
-1,238 Youll go blind doing that (0/4)
-1,327 Get off the couch an get a Job (1 [1]/6)
-1,419 You Are Doing It Wrong (0/4)
-1,439 Dont forget to use a condom (0/5)
-1,932 Clean Your Room (0/5)
-1,990 Dont play in puddles (0/5)
-2,092 Dont put that in your mouth (0/2)
-2,953 Turn That Music Down (0/2)
-3,673 Drink as much as you can (1 [1]/2)

** The kingdom of Havoc **
Total land exchanged: +5,283 (40/27)
+3,568 Under Pressure (2 [2]/0)
+2,598 Flash (1 [1]/0)
+1,324 The Invisble Man (2 [2]/0)
+1,083 The Wedding March (2 [2]/0)
+980 Love of My Life (2 [2]/1)
+947 Princes of the Universe (2 [2]/2)
+842 Freddie Mercury (2 [2]/0)
+261 Bohemian Rhapsody (2 [1]/0)
+190 Great King Rat (4 [2]/3)
+130 Fat Bottomed Girls (4 [2]/2)
+120 Died of Aids (2 [2]/1)
+97 Mother Love (2 [2]/1)
+2 Death on two legs (3 [2]/1)
-93 We Will Rock You (2 [2]/1)
-362 I Want It All (3 [2]/4)
-966 Killer Queen (0/1)
-980 We Are The Champions (0/1)
-991 The Show Must Go On (1 [1]/1)
-992 noooo timeee for looosers (3 [2]/4)
-1,079 Ogre Battle (0/1)
-1,396 Another One Bites The Dust (1 [1]/3)
16-04-2013, 12:39
tak3shi

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Originally Posted by elldallan

yes sanct didn't hit ma first but anyone with two braincells would know that ma would respond to sanct doing that just around the time ma gets notice from sancts ally havoc.
Yes both ma and sanct are obviously in double hostiles, i don't think anyone is denying that. But the difference is that sanct would not be in a double hostile if they had not decided to pull a dickish move on ma, they knew they would be getting a response.
It's like going into a hells angels biker bar and loudly exclaim, "what sort of leather gay place is this?" you won't be getting out of there in a good shape unless you're chuck norris.

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Originally Posted by jamin

like target sharing was not a dickish move by ama?
And surely ama has a reason for their dickish move prompted by a dickish move from abs before in another instance, which would be justified by abs with a dickish move done by ama before then and so on and so forth until no more reasons and logs can be found and we find the root cause of who began the dickish moves...or maybe we don't. Ama v havoc. Pew pew v sanc. Let's all hold hands and sing kumbaya now.

qft.
16-04-2013, 12:40
Bishop

I hear Dharan target shared Sanc and Havoc with taunts before AMA did.
16-04-2013, 12:43
tak3shi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bishop

I hear Dharan target shared Sanc and Havoc with taunts before AMA did.

What are you waiting for ban him! :P
16-04-2013, 12:43
Elurin

Quote:

Originally Posted by tak3shi

Going by that reasoning if Havoc double hostiled AMA, pew2 double hostiled Sanc. If you considered Sanc vs AMA to be a 1v1 situation but Havoc noticed AMA before AMA waved Sanc and Pew2 noticed Sanc before AMA waved Sanc.

When you were doubled it was clear cut can you consider this clear cut? If stealing is a hostile action you must have doubled, tripled, quadrapled hostile tons of kd's.

Someone, I think jamin, made an excellent definition of hostility - when it states hostile on kd page. In this case AMA's kd page read "Hostile" when Sanc viewed it and vice versa. Ergo, they were hostile. When hits started from another kd into that hostile, that is double hostile. Stop trying to complicate things.
16-04-2013, 12:45
Soul_Hunter

nonsense!
16-04-2013, 12:47
protector

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elurin

Someone, I think jamin, made an excellent definition of hostility - when it states hostile on kd page. In this case AMA's kd page read "Hostile" when Sanc viewed it and vice versa. Ergo, they were hostile. When hits started from another kd into that hostile, that is double hostile. Stop trying to complicate things.

The same people who used that definition earlier to defend Abs/Havoc/Sanc, are now saying otherwise to justify Abs double hostile :)
16-04-2013, 12:48
tak3shi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elurin

Someone, I think jamin, made an excellent definition of hostility - when it states hostile on kd page. In this case AMA's kd page read "Hostile" when Sanc viewed it and vice versa. Ergo, they were hostile. When hits started from another kd into that hostile, that is double hostile. Stop trying to complicate things.

So it is hostile when it says hostile for both kds. In that case both pew2 and havoc double hostiled. If you're voiding notices off which is essentially how most top go about their engagements.

p.s
and I think the 2 quotes earlier summarized the entire incident. The problem with taking sides is presenting only 1 side of the picture there will be no satisfactory conclusion from either party. Both sides of the picture need to be presented as accurately as possible then only can actual discussions begin to resolve outstanding issues.
16-04-2013, 12:57
protector

Quote:

Originally Posted by tak3shi

Going by that reasoning if Havoc double hostiled AMA, pew2 double hostiled Sanc. If you considered Sanc vs AMA to be a 1v1 situation but Havoc noticed AMA before AMA waved Sanc and Pew2 noticed Sanc before AMA waved Sanc.

Havoc initiated a double hostile on AMA, Pew Pew on their turn then initiated a double hostile on Sanctuary. Despite both cases clearly being double hostiles, Pew Pew's is a soft version as they've made sure Sanc wouldn't be able to safely continue the double on AMA. Does that justify it? No.

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Originally Posted by tak3shi

If stealing is a hostile action you must have doubled, tripled, quadrapled hostile tons of kd's.

I don't recall anyone here saying "stealing = hostile". I do recall some people saying having allies stealing is lame. I've said it myself for Sanc doing it to BB during a notice period with Mercy (Havoc), pretty sure AMA has a right to complain about Sanc stealing from them when Mercy (Havoc) gives AMA notice. If it was BB stealing from Havoc, Abs would be all over these forums.
16-04-2013, 13:02
Elit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bishop

I hear Dharan target shared Sanc and Havoc with taunts before AMA did.

So if i recruit for next age Dharan ABS will gb us :(
Sad story :P
16-04-2013, 13:10
Bishop

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Originally Posted by Elitbg

So if i recruit for next age Dharan ABS will gb us :(
Sad story :P

My info was incorrect, it appears that was actually me. Whoops. In recent news I heard protector taunted havoc.
16-04-2013, 13:44
DHaran

I wish I came up with it :( But as your monarch, I took full credit when Abs started complaining about it lol.

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