Proposal to end he Awar

It's actually Non-Cheaters vs Cheaters (Emeriti)

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Originally Posted by Leshrak

That's rather rude to say, but you're allowed to have your opinion. It doesn't change the fact that this whole PR stunt to make this GB into "abs vs anti-abs" is false since you have just as many former abs leaders as we do.

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Smart as in ppl who left abs and didn't stay till the end. That's why Emeriti is called abs kd. Cuz it contains ppl who where there till end

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Originally Posted by Leshrak

That's rather rude to say, but you're allowed to have your opinion. It doesn't change the fact that this whole PR stunt to make this GB into "abs vs anti-abs" is false since you have just as many former abs leaders as we do.

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As sad previously its just a easy way to group down bunch of people.

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Originally Posted by Leshrak

That's rather rude to say, but you're allowed to have your opinion. It doesn't change the fact that this whole PR stunt to make this GB into "abs vs anti-abs" is false since you have just as many former abs leaders as we do.

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You kinda wrapped it up when you put ASF as your frontman.

I dunno, ASF was the face of abs for so long, its kinda hard to place him anywhere else ya know? Plus on your crown you all made sure to tag "[Player name] of [former abs KD]" Those of you who were not strictly in abs tagged with CR.

/me shrugs.

Why are you surprised people trace the lineage and connect the dots?

So when will this awar ends? What is needed for that? Till flogger and his friends occupy the top 5 spots? Will this coalition get their attention of CJ not because of awar but because CJ kingdom is in their way. Hahah

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Originally Posted by Feint

So when will this awar ends? What is needed for that? Till flogger and his friends occupy the top 5 spots? Will this coalition get their attention of CJ not because of awar but because CJ kingdom is in their way. Hahah

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How funny is that, BB will get to either prove or disprove abs claims about their motives with their actions once this is over.

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Originally Posted by Leshrak

I'm fairly certain that flogger was in Abs court, and 100% certain that he ran an Abs kingdom as a monarch for multiple ages, so I'd say you kept that one rather close to the tree trunk. Considering SnirpsneR was also a former Abs leader, I'd say your argument is rather spot on. There's no way this whole thing is "abs vs anti-abs". There are just as many former abs leaders in BB/ancillary KDs as there are in Emeriti/ancillary KDs.

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most who left have since denounced abs for their double talking cheating ways. those who have not deserve to be green...

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Originally Posted by bombdigie

It's actually Non-Cheaters vs Cheaters (Emeriti)

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Now now, be careful, your original argument was that Emeriti organized some ****ty behavior, but not sure where they cheated in this whole mess. You're weakening your stance with those labels.

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Originally Posted by Verminator

Now now, be careful, your original argument was that Emeriti organized some ****ty behavior, but not sure where they cheated in this whole mess. You're weakening your stance with those labels.

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No, my argument is bour razed into eowcf, and he did it exactly like the logs said he should do it.

They cheated by sicking their mutts on the only other two whoring kingdoms (though they didn't realize one wasn't even whoring and so that miscalculation caused a war win to their opponent) to keep them preoccupied while they explored and farmed science. While securing a CF with another of their mutts, they had a fake war with a 75% networth friendly to catch up in land and even more science. Very well planned and organized and you have to give them props for it, but only if they got away with it and crowned. Alas they did not, their age is ruined, and they reek of failure. These types of coincidences don't happen unless they are well planned and thought out. Flogger exposed exactly how shady the current leaders are in Emeriti, and to deny anything of what I just said shows their true character, filth.

Now that's not to say that they were AWAR(ed) because of those coincidences, but because they discussed exactly how their mutt was to raze into EOWCF, and he did it exactly as they told him he should do it. At that point the coincidences started to make more sense, and then when the AWAR began and those mutts rushed to aid them immediately, is proof enough for me to label them cheaters forever.

Lastly, on the topic of cheating, the cheating I am referring to is fake warring, chart shaping, and persuasion. These are non-punishable cheating's within the games mechanics (especially fake warring because those are not possible to prove). The cheating I am not referring to is having a multi in your kingdom that gets deleted and starts wars via the unfriendly/hostile button pushing system. And yes Pyro were victim of such a cheater, and in my opinion it was likely a placed mole as we had a massive turnover and needed reinforcements immediately, with only 3 days in between ages its not like you have the opportunity to properly interview people.

bombdigie you make a fool of yourself in nearly every post lately, you can not claim fact without proof then you do exactly like some others weve seen in here... Also i think we can establish the shady play Emeriti did in regards to Bour as we got proof there, as for fake war etc. you should rather hold your opinion back before posting them as facts.

Pyro was a victim of a multi last age but again for some it was preplanned to gain an early unfair farm war, you and rest of pyro can claim it wasnt but without proof there is neither facts for it being true or untrue. (just trying to prove to you how it makes it sound what you claim, without having the actual proof to prove it as facts).

bombdigie how exactly is persuasion cheating? I agree fake warring and chart shaping is considered as, but not sure how you see persuasion as cheating?

Emeriti yes your seen as Abs and if i dont remember wrong you also tagged as Abs last age so not exactly a surprise your seen as Abs, stop trying to claim you arent, because tagging as Abs while having a long time abs leader as leader/council and then tagging, kinda makes it obvious for everyone looking in that Abs is what you regard yourself as, otherwise why tag? if those below cJ tagged as Simians wouldnt they be regarded as such?

Its just sad how the age is spoilt for 25 players and Im not even talking about crowning. Cant people let emeriti continue playing the game? Such dramatic actions needs to be taken for a raze into eowcf. There are worse crimes in recent times that were never actioned or minimally so.

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Originally Posted by Heiney

Its just sad how the age is spoilt for 25 players and Im not even talking about crowning. Cant people let emeriti continue playing the game? Such dramatic actions needs to be taken for a raze into eowcf. There are worse crimes in recent times that were never actioned or minimally so.

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Except they were offered just that, from the start.
Thing is it seems like Emeriti refused (and still refusing?) to accept that they actually did anything wrong, it reeks from their posts here. And as a result they refuse any kind of punishment.
I have no idea how this will end, but I feel like it could have ended long ago.

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Originally Posted by Aranfein

bombdigie you make a fool of yourself in nearly every post lately, you can not claim fact without proof then you do exactly like some others weve seen in here... Also i think we can establish the shady play Emeriti did in regards to Bour as we got proof there, as for fake war etc. you should rather hold your opinion back before posting them as facts.

Pyro was a victim of a multi last age but again for some it was preplanned to gain an early unfair farm war, you and rest of pyro can claim it wasnt but without proof there is neither facts for it being true or untrue. (just trying to prove to you how it makes it sound what you claim, without having the actual proof to prove it as facts).

bombdigie how exactly is persuasion cheating? I agree fake warring and chart shaping is considered as, but not sure how you see persuasion as cheating?

Emeriti yes your seen as Abs and if i dont remember wrong you also tagged as Abs last age so not exactly a surprise your seen as Abs, stop trying to claim you arent, because tagging as Abs while having a long time abs leader as leader/council and then tagging, kinda makes it obvious for everyone looking in that Abs is what you regard yourself as, otherwise why tag? if those below cJ tagged as Simians wouldnt they be regarded as such?

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I can make my own conclusions on the convolutions.

I think persuasion in an aligned manner is cheating when there are only three competing parties, based on mechanics of the game especially with islands being revealed nearly instantly and protection being 1 day. This ages strategy that they almost pulled off was really crafty. I was quite vocal about it while it was all occurring - I was not pleased, I'm not the only one who felt this way, as you can now tell by how they've become a rag doll, that doesn't happen to you unless you deserve it. They deserved it! ;)

I've been fighting and killing Abs since Age 3. Nothing made me happier when bour razed into eowcf, I knew the game (and more specifically current age and future ages would be affected by this) was going to change dramatically and drastically. The old ways of crowning and charting don't mean squat right now, and let's keep it that way. AWAR is the only way to play right now. Everyone should pick sides at end of age, try and balance it with neutral parties, and then go after each other until only one remains. More importantly, people will come back for it. Everyone will know where each side is because they are going to talk. Let's ridicule each other, and insult each other (dont make the mods angry), and call people sinners and be victorious - Razing is the only way to solve disputes.
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Originally Posted by SlightlyOverdosed

Except they were offered just that, from the start.
Thing is it seems like Emeriti refused (and still refusing?) to accept that they actually did anything wrong, it reeks from their posts here. And as a result they refuse any kind of punishment.
I have no idea how this will end, but I feel like it could have ended long ago.

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It's been almost 24h now since flogger made a proposal that I found agreeable. Very shortly after he made it and I was agreeable, he told me he had to log off for his bday to spend time with his gf, and to PM the logs to protector to get the deal finalized. I PMed them to prot 6h later, prot stalled/delayed reading them for another few hours, then argued with me for 2 hours about the terms he wanted that were different from what I'd already been offered, changed the terms (basically back to square one), and had to go sleep. Since he went to sleep, FS declared us, BB, Pyro, and TBB? Did full waves in, and now they are RKing more of our provs.

The above doesn't even mention the 24-30+ total hours I've spent talking to flogger/darkie/protector over the last 9-12 days trying to reach a deal that doesn't completely destroy our kd. But I guess they would rather destroy our kd than admit that this has gone too far from their side. Their point was made a week and a half ago.

So no, its just a bit inaccurate and insulting to suggest we aren't trying to accept punishment. They either don't seem to be at all interested in making a deal or bb has lost control of their alliance members.

Also, serious question for everyone: has bombdigie ever made a coherent, constructive addition to any discussion?

bla bla bla ... I'm sure i'm not the only one who has experienced the similar from abs leaders in past.. as a matter of fact very similar when asf order all of abs to raze kill wartague although his only crime was being the largest prov on the server. nothing like the **** play and lies from you guys. all the wasted time and diplo bs was all fake they just were intent to have him at zero. as far as i'm concerned you all deserve the same fate. what's with your little ghetto friend going vm. not the green we had planed for him.

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Originally Posted by Crunch

as a matter of fact very similar when asf order all of abs to raze kill wartague although his only crime was being the largest prov on the server. nothing like the **** play and lies from you guys.

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How is that ****play?


Seriously it's like some of you guys are so blinded by your insecure rage of that you guys can't even put together a coherent idea to hide just how salty you are about something that happened 15 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Crunch

bla bla bla ... I'm sure i'm not the only one who has experienced the similar from abs leaders in past.. as a matter of fact very similar when asf order all of abs to raze kill wartague although his only crime was being the largest prov on the server. nothing like the **** play and lies from you guys. all the wasted time and diplo bs was all fake they just were intent to have him at zero. as far as i'm concerned you all deserve the same fate. what's with your little ghetto friend going vm. not the green we had planed for him.

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PS, I'm not an abs leader and never was one in 65 ages. Keep up with the conversations and stop spreading false propaganda. Flogger was an abs leader though, are you accusing him of something? He seemed like he actually gave a crap yesterday when we talked.

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Originally Posted by Leshrak

It's been almost 24h now since flogger made a proposal that I found agreeable. Very shortly after he made it and I was agreeable, he told me he had to log off for his bday to spend time with his gf, and to PM the logs to protector to get the deal finalized. I PMed them to prot 6h later, prot stalled/delayed reading them for another few hours, then argued with me for 2 hours about the terms he wanted that were different from what I'd already been offered, changed the terms (basically back to square one), and had to go sleep. Since he went to sleep, FS declared us, BB, Pyro, and TBB? Did full waves in, and now they are RKing more of our provs.

The above doesn't even mention the 24-30+ total hours I've spent talking to flogger/darkie/protector over the last 9-12 days trying to reach a deal that doesn't completely destroy our kd. But I guess they would rather destroy our kd than admit that this has gone too far from their side. Their point was made a week and a half ago.

So no, its just a bit inaccurate and insulting to suggest we aren't trying to accept punishment. They either don't seem to be at all interested in making a deal or bb has lost control of their alliance members.

Also, serious question for everyone: has bombdigie ever made a coherent, constructive addition to any discussion?

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I only have sketchy knowledge of what's being negotiated now so I wasn't sure hence the question mark. Main point was about the past back when BB decided to opt for razes.
Would it be possible for the sides to post what are the propositions? What are emerity proposing, and what is it that BB wants more than that?
So people can make their own decision if BB terms are really something that might destroy a KD or that's just your interpretation. And on the flip side to judge if people agree that BB is unreasonable to accept your terms?

Frankly would be a lot more constructive than subjective opinions, but I can see how that may not be possible.
Though I could be considered as someone who posted "against" emerity I do hope the best for your KD and that you guys would have the strength to pull through these phase intact as a KD.

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Originally Posted by SlightlyOverdosed

I only have sketchy knowledge of what's being negotiated now so I wasn't sure hence the question mark. Main point was about the past back when BB decided to opt for razes.
Would it be possible for the sides to post what are the propositions? What are emerity proposing, and what is it that BB wants more than that?
So people can make their own decision if BB terms are really something that might destroy a KD or that's just your interpretation. And on the flip side to judge if people agree that BB is unreasonable to accept your terms?

Frankly would be a lot more constructive than subjective opinions, but I can see how that may not be possible.
Though I could be considered as someone who posted "against" emerity I do hope the best for your KD and that you guys would have the strength to pull through these phase intact as a KD.

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Flogger is indeed on birthday celebration. It wasn't an intention to stall whatsoever. He's perfectly entitled to a private life and some rest after some serious coordination over the last 2 weeks. As is the usual SOP where no deals are finalised yet, we simply carried on what was in our planning pipes even before discussions "looked" like the issue might come to an agreeable end on both sides.

It's an unfortunate coincidence that Emeriti started to discuss more actively about closure when we were planning 2 button pushes.

I'll share mainly the 3 premises that are ongoing and uncompleted (some may have been completed or updated since then but I may not have been privy).

The specific CF deals after this issue for all parties involved on our side to their side. So you can see why this might be a bit tricky and takes time since flogger needs to check back with members on our side if we're agreeable etc.

Emeriti's clean and sincere apology, no wordplay or smartly chosen words to cloud or deflect blame.

The final ending size restrictions put on Emeriti was discussed and not sure if there was progress in negotiations since then.

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Originally Posted by Leshrak

Also, serious question for everyone: has bombdigie ever made a coherent, constructive addition to any discussion?

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Discussion, roflmao

Is that what you call this thread?

Are you guys f+cking kidding me?! Nesta you got something to prove bro? You like the fact you guys now turned into the bad guys?! Dont worry man you wont ever be as good as cJ. At keast we kniw who actually had the talent when pyro was around. And protector why didn't you call a momentary truce? Talks were in progress. Nothing wrong with calling a temp cf. This **** has gone on long enough. I don't give two craps for emeriti but no one deserves to be treated with such **** play. Actually it should be beastblood that gets all the razes for deal break. Isn't that what happened to AMA? Because clearly worst case scenario if emeriti told someone to raze into BB eowcf and then laughed about it it wouldn't have been a deal break.

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Originally Posted by SlightlyOverdosed

Except they were offered just that, from the start.
Thing is it seems like Emeriti refused (and still refusing?) to accept that they actually did anything wrong, it reeks from their posts here. And as a result they refuse any kind of punishment.
I have no idea how this will end, but I feel like it could have ended long ago.

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Pretty sure Emeriti admitted to at improper play and have basically agreed to any and all terms requested with the limit being they can still war this age, they wont disband and can try to crown next age(those 3 things are pretty reasonable). My guess is it ends when the BB side is in a position to make sure any of their "top" kds can 1v1 CJ and win as CJ's cf's are basically he cant notice till the Awar is over. Any sooner end then that CJ crowns...if they drag it out long enough maybe CJ notices anyway and they get a new GB target.

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Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace

Are you guys f+cking kidding me?! Nesta you got something to prove bro? You like the fact you guys now turned into the bad guys?! Dont worry man you wont ever be as good as cJ. At keast we kniw who actually had the talent when pyro was around. And protector why didn't you call a momentary truce? Talks were in progress. Nothing wrong with calling a temp cf. This **** has gone on long enough. I don't give two craps for emeriti but no one deserves to be treated with such **** play. Actually it should be beastblood that gets all the razes for deal break. Isn't that what happened to AMA? Because clearly worst case scenario if emeriti told someone to raze into BB eowcf and then laughed about it it wouldn't have been a deal break.

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You gave them a crown last age and now you defend them? Ok

bombdigie don't mind the trolls, I for one support most of the things you said in THIS thread, keep in there bro
These people argue in circles over stuff nobody cares about, you tell it straight.

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

bombdigie don't mind the trolls, I for one support most of the things you said in THIS thread, keep in there bro
These people argue in circles over stuff nobody cares about, you tell it straight.

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lmao...

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Originally Posted by protector

Everyone knows the guy is an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Persain

Pretty sure Emeriti admitted to at improper play and have basically agreed to any and all terms requested with the limit being they can still war this age, they wont disband and can try to crown next age(those 3 things are pretty reasonable). My guess is it ends when the BB side is in a position to make sure any of their "top" kds can 1v1 CJ and win as CJ's cf's are basically he cant notice till the Awar is over. Any sooner end then that CJ crowns...if they drag it out long enough maybe CJ notices anyway and they get a new GB target.

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DUH!! A hostile is not a hostile if its with someone less than 50% of your networth.. Also If Pandamodium claims it to be hostile, they are exploring up provinces to match as per CJ!!

They are getting excess land in this awar, which should just have been razes.. Now they are not only able to match Crazies in terms of the land on core, but also exploring up provinces in the middle of hostile. SO how is this considered a proper hostile for them? They are just using this as a cover up to gain all land + explore..

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Originally Posted by Felonious

lmao...

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So HisnameisMatija doesnt support what protector say. One of them is a bigger idiot then? :O

Not sure about the past history or what.
But from I can see and sense right now:
The extent of punishment is kinda gone too far
And doesn't seem what a awar is trying to do when it first started ( to punish emeriti)
To me, it seems like growing through pure raping in the name of justice
With the intention to crown( maybe divided) among the coalition

I also understand from talks which happen in the past that if anyone help in gb in the name of justice , extra acres gain should be intra raze to promote FairPlay to rest of server and not because of personal gains and motive. Am I right ?

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Originally Posted by Judge

DUH!! A hostile is not a hostile if its with someone less than 50% of your networth.. Also If Pandamodium claims it to be hostile, they are exploring up provinces to match as per CJ!!

They are getting excess land in this awar, which should just have been razes.. Now they are not only able to match Crazies in terms of the land on core, but also exploring up provinces in the middle of hostile. SO how is this considered a proper hostile for them? They are just using this as a cover up to gain all land + explore..

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Perhaps, but as i said from what i understand CJ cant notice untill the Awar is "over"....so as long as flogger and company keep it going and it doesnt officially end If CJ tries to notice anyone in the top 10 besides Godly/elit OR Beer 4 all OR Brewing hes joining on the awar and can be gangbanged.

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Originally Posted by Persain

Perhaps, but as i said from what i understand CJ cant notice untill the Awar is "over"....so as long as flogger and company keep it going and it doesnt officially end If CJ tries to notice anyone in the top 10 besides Godly/elit OR Beer 4 all OR Brewing hes joining on the awar and can be gangbanged.

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So does it mean they can keep growing by taking acres and exploring to match Crazies?

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Originally Posted by Judge

So does it mean they can keep growing by taking acres and exploring to match Crazies?

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No one had the power to say "no"
Let alone stopping them. Haha.
See how emeriti , divinity and meep kingdom get disintegrated , u should feel the power of the winning side of awar
Just a matter of time, anyone who offend any of those in awar, u will suffer the same fate.
Ultimately, they will decide who get land crown, nw crown, individual crown etc

It is not the arguments and fact that count now. It is about who is winning and in control
Just like the real world, u are rich and powerful
U can do what u wish

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Originally Posted by Feint

It is not the arguments and fact that count now. It is about who is winning and in control
Just like the real world, u are rich and powerful
U can do what u wish

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the only thing you can do successfully is trolling, and i must admit that you are good at it..

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Originally Posted by Feint

No one had the power to say "no"
Let alone stopping them. Haha.
See how emeriti , divinity and meep kingdom get disintegrated , u should feel the power of the winning side of awar
Just a matter of time, anyone who offend any of those in awar, u will suffer the same fate.
Ultimately, they will decide who get land crown, nw crown, individual crown etc

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Disintegrated as in? We are just debating.. Cos I remember that in some age(2 ages back), somewhere(utopia), someone(one of the kds who started this GB) put up a thing that any land attained in Gangbang or such should be razed! But again it is not been followed so far!

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Originally Posted by Judge

Disintegrated as in? We are just debating.. Cos I remember that in some age(2 ages back), somewhere(utopia), someone(one of the kds who started this GB) put up a thing that any land attained in Gangbang or such should be razed! But again it is not been followed so far!

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I thought u only raze when you won/finished a GB....and if this doesn't end till end of age u never have to raze your acres.

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

the only thing you can do successfully is trolling, and i must admit that you are good at it..

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hes not trolling he quit the awar

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Originally Posted by Judge

So HisnameisMatija doesnt support what protector say. One of them is a bigger idiot then? :O

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According to protector, its definitely Matija :(

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Originally Posted by protector

you'd have to be pretty stupid to believe him

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Originally Posted by Felonious

According to protector, its definitely Matija :(

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Oh hi trolls.
Just because I respect protector and his role in this "awar" I don't have to agree with everything he says.
You see I'm not a mindless drone of my faction, I have a mind of my own and am free to make my own opinions.
What protector was referring to in that statement is something bombdigie said in another thread and if you read my last post carefully enough you will see why I point this out.
Honestly, if any of my actions is stupid, it's this one, which can be interpreted as feeding the troll :(

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Oh hi trolls.
Just because I respect protector and his role in this "awar" I don't have to agree with everything he says.
You see I'm not a mindless drone of my faction, I have a mind of my own and am free to make my own opinions.
What protector was referring to in that statement is something bombdigie said in another thread and if you read my last post carefully enough you will see why I point this out.
Honestly, if any of my actions is stupid, it's this one, which can be interpreted as feeding the troll :(

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You supporting a clown is when you are trolling yourself!