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Originally Posted by Aranfein

Protector, your comment is hypocracy if you think back on last age, i like how your stance switch to suit friends. Maybe try and stick to what you say no matter if its friends or not.. You know what im talking about so i wont repeat it here, just keep that in mind when you wish to be the "Law, Jury and Judge"...

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protector agrees what they did was wrong, however hes not friends with me anymore than you would be. so hes not changing his opinions to help a friend

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Originally Posted by citadela01

Personally I despise using semantics and wordplay to twist spirit of agreement. It is one of the worst things practiced in Utopia, sadly it has become standard behavior.
But it DID become standard behavior, its pretty sad to hear KD's are ganging up on on somebody who only practiced same obscene "laws" said KD's use and abuse daily in their dealings.
Once again, personal integrity in Utopia takes a backseat to petty interests.

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bart/heave/whatever told multiple kds he never had any intention of agreeing to an eoacf. ANY offer we agree to he was going to keep it worded JUST enough that he could wave as hes doing now. I made it real clear what we were offering he accepted what i said enough that all the top kds agree it was a deal break. (and to be honest even if they thought he outplayed me we'd of asked for help its NOT acceptable to do this the only reason the top here matters at all is we ar the#9 and 10 kds. if we were the # 49 and 50 kds i wouldnt bother asking them at all and just use differnt friends. This is the EXACT reason we have friends to stop this kind of play)

If u dont want to this to be standard behavoir stand up against it. . im sure someone can come up with something we did "wrong" but we always try to make things right. As of the last msg the "best" offer we got was a flat cf and them waring us with better pumped provs on an acre total we cant reach if a couple of days.. Nothing to address their poor form, or repayment for this. Remember what the awar was fought over emeriti cant crown, isn't allowed above XYZ...it put us on opposite sides of the Awar, we saw different perspectives backed differnt kds ours issue was simply no mater what, you dont deal break if u have an issue deal with it out in the open. EXACTLY what im doing with spartans this age. they had an issue back when the eoacf when up they tell us and we'd of beaten them down back then. Now there not many options left.

Whats the deal? We hitting Spartans or what? 25 green?

Might as well. Emirti already deal broke. Everyone else should as well to teach spartans that deal breaking is bad hahaha

What a sad game community

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Originally Posted by Aces

Might as well. Emirti already deal broke. Everyone else should as well to teach spartans that deal breaking is bad hahaha

What a sad game community

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Moral of the story:

Don't break deals

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Originally Posted by Aces

Might as well. Emirti already deal broke. Everyone else should as well to teach spartans that deal breaking is bad hahaha

What a sad game community

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Well looking at the Emeriti paper it looks like Spartans broke the CF. If we are being technical.

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Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace

Whats the deal? We hitting Spartans or what? 25 green?

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Probubly nothing so murderous. Thats a lot harsher than im really want to be. i guess it really depends on how they act though i mean if after a little beating on they dig in harder and actually manage to find friends that COULD be something we have to go to. not really ideal though.

If we were being technical the 7th would be the 7th not the 8th but I think we are past technicalities...

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Originally Posted by Aces

If we were being technical the 7th would be the 7th not the 8th but I think we are past technicalities...

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From what I have seen Spartans argument is relying on that technicality, so obviously we are. So similarly Emeriti did not deal break, they just hit first after the CF was dropped.

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Originally Posted by Persain

protector agrees what they did was wrong, however hes not friends with me anymore than you would be. so hes not changing his opinions to help a friend

bart/heave/whatever told multiple kds he never had any intention of agreeing to an eoacf. ANY offer we agree to he was going to keep it worded JUST enough that he could wave as hes doing now. I made it real clear what we were offering he accepted what i said enough that all the top kds agree it was a deal break. (and to be honest even if they thought he outplayed me we'd of asked for help its NOT acceptable to do this the only reason the top here matters at all is we ar the#9 and 10 kds. if we were the # 49 and 50 kds i wouldnt bother asking them at all and just use differnt friends. This is the EXACT reason we have friends to stop this kind of play)

If u dont want to this to be standard behavoir stand up against it. . im sure someone can come up with something we did "wrong" but we always try to make things right. As of the last msg the "best" offer we got was a flat cf and them waring us with better pumped provs on an acre total we cant reach if a couple of days.. Nothing to address their poor form, or repayment for this. Remember what the awar was fought over emeriti cant crown, isn't allowed above XYZ...it put us on opposite sides of the Awar, we saw different perspectives backed differnt kds ours issue was simply no mater what, you dont deal break if u have an issue deal with it out in the open. EXACTLY what im doing with spartans this age. they had an issue back when the eoacf when up they tell us and we'd of beaten them down back then. Now there not many options left.

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Ok im getting mixed up on the issues here. Most importantly to me is the bit about the war deal offer. We can do better then a flat CF if you really have an interest in war. We'd go even acre war deal with you being able to take back acres from us until our kds are aprox equal and CF for a set time allowing you to pump. I'd even eat a some massacres BC hell why not its EOA and this would be the last war any way.

If you really have an interest in a war deal I can get in touch, I will happily go as far as what makes the war a fair fight but have no interest in giving you guys tons of extra acres over us as some sort of reparations. Yall waved a war kd whos worst crime was being desperate enough for a war that theyd offer to WD just to get a war? fake war my ass, we were not going to get land or honour out of you with how big n pumped you were. It was just going to be a fun war that wed lose. Simple fact is you pissed off a war kd and failed to properly close diplo.

-accusation about never intending to honour EOA CF... Easy accusation to make because your pissed about your failed diplo, but I dont believe bart would do that. We'd have just waited until next age. We werent even going to wave you this age despite your diplo fail except we still could not find a war. Nothing to see here unless you have logs/proof.

-sure we are being nitpicky about the deal, but we dont owe you any good will or favors so why honour a deal that was forced on us with waves and threats of more waves when the deal was not taken upon agreed terms?

-If you want to war deal lets deal, if not thats fine. I see hits coming in from your allies now which is what we expected so we aint gonna cry about it if you decide to GB instead of war.

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Originally Posted by Runefire

From what I have seen Spartans argument is relying on that technicality, so obviously we are. So similarly Emeriti did not deal break, they just hit first after the CF was dropped.

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So they can technicality break a cf and thats fine. But Spartans breaking one on a technicality warrants a gb till the disban? Thanks for proving the point for me. Don't worry everyone. If big kds do it it's totally fine. Sorry small guys. You are screwed

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Originally Posted by Runefire

From what I have seen Spartans argument is relying on that technicality, so obviously we are. So similarly Emeriti did not deal break, they just hit first after the CF was dropped.

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nah emeriti is fine, they gave notice that they were going to wave us which (in our opinion) was a DB. But we've said from the beginning that we were not going to pull in allies so breaking CF with them first makes sense. Only KD we wanted to suffer was Dicks and we dont need an argument about emeriti deal breaks complicating the issue. Telling us they are going to DB isnt a DB IMO so they are fine I'd assume. Doesnt mean we aint gonna hold a grudge about it but were not looking for others to cry foul and jump in.

Also for the record I was against waving dicks this age. Technically we did not have an EOA CF because parts of the deal explicitly stated were not met, but that doesnt mean I think this was an honourable thing to do. They gave us a ****ty deal by breaking a blank cf in the middle of negotiations and waving, but id have prefered to play more honourably then dicks and not less. The one thing that I do like about this whole mess is how self righteous and pissed some of yall get when ppl play the same diplo BS on you that you play on others. Dunno that it makes it worth it (fing hate diplo and broke my one rule by getting involved in it now) but it has been interesting.

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Originally Posted by beans

-If you want to war deal lets deal, if not thats fine. I see hits coming in from your allies now which is what we expected so we aint gonna cry about it if you decide to GB instead of war.

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i made an offer that was both reasonable and justified given the dealbreak and was told no. hits started now though yup, so when and if u still want your kd wants to do diplmacy im online 24/7 when not asleep. The longer it goes the less reasonable the offer will seem though. which is quite sad.

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Originally Posted by Persain

i made an offer that was both reasonable and justified given the dealbreak and was told no. hits started now though yup, so when and if u still want your kd wants to do diplmacy im online 24/7 when not asleep. The longer it goes the less reasonable the offer will seem though. which is quite sad.

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There was no deal to deal break. 8 still > then 7. And if you talking about the deal where you get 7k more acres then us and do 2x the masses then we will pass and just take the GB lol.

beans I feel for you since apparently you are not kept in the loop. Heaven has told me(and I am not in divinity) that you guys asked for a fake war. He used the phrase fake war so there was no mistaking it. I do have the irc log but I prefer not to copy and paste stuff in forums.
The only reason you guys are mad is because your lies and deception have caught up to y'all.
You know like accidentally totally by coincidence bounce waving a TM the same tik another kingdom declares....orrrr starting a dragon into a war demanding eowcf or else...or sending more powerful kingdoms to pressure kingdoms into cfs...or in this case asking for fake war and when that didnt work trying to s...play the wrong kingdom. time to face the music.

Ace that's the kind of kingdom spartans are, just so you know who you are defending here. We have warred and lost to divinity, so I am not posting this as their friend but because I like Utopia and what spartans have been doing is hurting the game.