Dwarf attackers for waring KD

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Originally Posted by AFKain

Since fog is such an advantage any good KD will ofc do everything to make sure that their provinces have as good magic protection as they can get. If there are no non dwarves the enemy has to MV on every couple of hits and their targets will have WPAs that keep rising which means they'll have to use more and more of their magic to keep fog off those. There is simply no way that you can argue that you do not need more MVs when warring a full dwarf kd than a kd with a few dwarves in it...

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Actually WPA tends to go down during war. Everyone is gaining land from the explore pool, people fail the difficult war spells and even fail self spells while guilds are under construction or reduced for their war strat.

And you want the entire KD to run Mystic A/Ms with the same wpa? I think you'll find most KDs are running some warriors for better attacks and maybe a WH for bringing down unbreakables.

And any in KD containing DW, if the enemy can MV off the fog then the DW will be a big target because its a strong attacker, possibly suiciding. In a full KD of DW the enemy will be trying to MV off the fog on whoever the hit.

So in a KD that can reliably MV, they will be MVing the same amount on a full DW KD as a part DW KD, assuming they are chaining attackers first :P

If your only running a few DW and they're all mystics, then people may well not bother MVing them, which makes the DW even more useful. But if the whole KD is DW/Mystics I dont think they will fare as well on the attacking front as a mixture containing DW Attackers, which was my original point.

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Actually WPA tends to go down during war. Everyone is gaining land from the explore pool, people fail the difficult war spells and even fail self spells while guilds are under construction or reduced for their war strat.

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You've just said that the enemy will be chaining, I can guarantee you that that does wonders for the wpa.

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And you want the entire KD to run Mystic A/Ms with the same wpa? I think you'll find most KDs are running some warriors for better attacks and maybe a WH for bringing down unbreakables.

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You don't have to be a mystic to have a good wpa. You said that there'd be "heavy attackers" on these boards that usually means T/M target, not a very good strat.

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And any in KD containing DW, if the enemy can MV off the fog then the DW will be a big target because its a strong attacker, possibly suiciding. In a full KD of DW the enemy will be trying to MV off the fog on whoever the hit.

So in a KD that can reliably MV, they will be MVing the same amount on a full DW KD as a part DW KD, assuming they are chaining attackers first :P

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It is not certain that dwarves will be the first pick if there are other races to choose from, personally I might be reluctant to go with dwarf because of the rising WPA problem. It depends a lot on what the other races are and the KDs involved etc. But yeah, KDs with very good magic abilities can be annoying for dwarf KDs.

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If your only running a few DW and they're all mystics, then people may well not bother MVing them, which makes the DW even more useful. But if the whole KD is DW/Mystics I dont think they will fare as well on the attacking front as a mixture containing DW Attackers, which was my original point.

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How would it be tactically sound not to bother MVing the dwarves?

dwarf wpa is as good as it gets for a non-mystic province

and u r assuming every enemy province are equally threatening and equally easy to chain and its up to u to pick who. its never the case if u r against a smart opponent. smart opponents will make non-dwarves a lot harder to chain by keeping far more defense while letting dwarves suicide more, so u r forced to either chain dwarves (whose buildings will be designed to take more damage) and hit fog, or semi suicide to hit the more important targets while letting dwarves get away with suiciding and suffer heavy damage

and its tactically sound to spend 30% mana MVing a well defended dwarf?

and yes wpa on average will go down, unless ur opponent somehow managed to chain 25 provs

AFKain which top kingdom have u warred

^^ Exactly.

AFKain, you will MV off the fog before you chain. If you do a real chain of 8+ hits within a few hours you wont need to chain again so wont need to MV again. Unless of course they handle the chain exceedingly well and manage to maintain their entire offence and are still a threat. Then it shouldnt matter how high their WPA is.

Of course these are all perfect scenarios, we all know Wars never go exactly as planned.

There's just as much chance one of these Dwarves will happen to not have fog up in the first place if he only logs in 2 or 3 times a day ;P

i'm thinking he is only referring to one province in the kd which gets chained. then wpa will be so high that fog becomes a strong deterrent as it is difficult to MV it off.

but by then your income would have probably set off an emergency. plus, if you aren't running an A/m build, most probably, that "high" wpa of yours is going to waste. (that's if all your runes have yet been stolen...) your opponents will be focusing on the next chain target...

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smart opponents will make non-dwarves a lot harder to chain by keeping far more defense while letting dwarves suicide more, so u r forced to either chain dwarves (whose buildings will be designed to take more damage) and hit fog, or semi suicide to hit the more important targets while letting dwarves get away with suiciding and suffer heavy damage

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Great so you're letting the non dwarves run low offense and not do damage while the enemy MVs fog on the dwarves and chains them. The fact that the enemy can do more hits negates the effect of GS.

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and its tactically sound to spend 30% mana MVing a well defended dwarf?

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It is always worth MVing a dwarf if you're going to hit him and you have the mana.

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and yes wpa on average will go down, unless ur opponent somehow managed to chain 25 provs

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WPA on average doesn't mean anything, this is about the target you are chaining. The only way to avoid the increasing WPA would be to finish the chain before the province logs on, say 10-15 mins. Good KDs war good KDs. That means you need to have all troops home at the same time for one thing, that will lose you time. Secondly you will not be able to take advantage of desertions. That will cost you attacks.

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AFKain which top kingdom have u warred

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The charts seem to be down so I can't give much of a list. Generally speaking I think I've warred all the KDs that were in ABS a few ages ago and some of the older ones, as I recall there's been some disbanding and some new KDs in the last few ages. Also a fair amount of COV KDs and some of the independents that have been around the top over the ages. Which ones have you warred?

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AFKain, you will MV off the fog before you chain. If you do a real chain of 8+ hits within a few hours you wont need to chain again so wont need to MV again. Unless of course they handle the chain exceedingly well and manage to maintain their entire offence and are still a threat. Then it shouldnt matter how high their WPA is.

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8 hits is not a chain that'll do anything to mean that you won't be hitting that prov again, and if it is done over a few hours you can bet there'll be fogged hits in there.

I'm not even going to comment about the 2-3 logins a day thing...

so u warred ALL the abs kds a few ages ago...

u do realize that half of ABS werent warring for the past few ages right? and ppl do make a big deal when they beat an absalom kingdom and i am aware of most if not all of those wars. the same goes for the upper lvl kds in covenant. so if u claim to have warred many of them then i guess u lost all of them. the only kingdom i can think of that fits this description is DN (no offense to DN), so i guess thats where u r from

an advice to u is start listening to other ppl. if u dont wanna listen to me thats fine but at least listen to Ishandra, because if u dont i assure u u will continue to loose

of course im assuming that u actually do contribute to planning wars. if u r a sheep in whatever skd u r in then u dont need to learn any of those stuff u just have to be active and follow orders

I said that I had warred all of the KDs that were in ABS a few ages ago. I didn't say that that was when these wars took place. And lol, your statement that you are aware of most of the wars that abs has been involved in over the ages is BS. You don't know anything about our wars with ABS or anyone else, if you want to continue this pointless charade you can contact me on IRC.

I'm always willing to take advice, when said advice is good, what you are producing is not worth listening to. To me you sound like some wannabe who thinks he knows all about how top KDs war.

covenant hasnt been around for all that long u know. and i do believe i know their wars when i say it (at least the important ones)

so which kingdom do u play if not DN? cuz im really curious now

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casualties?

personally i never heard of that kingdom, but i havent been playing for all that long (i started the age when KO beat BF) so im guessing its a good kd that disbanded before i played

anyway im gonna put a stop to this because this is gonna turn to an e-penis comparing contest. the reason i post here is because i see a lot of idiots picking on noobs when they ask questions, so i try my best to steer them in the right direction, plus my kingdom is now disbanded and i dont feel like making/leading another one anytime soon, so i have no problem going into a bit more detail about strategies. what im NOT here to do tho is to try and tell ppl how great i am. so if u r a noob and wants help, ill do the best i can. if u disagree thats fine too

You could have tried talking to me if you wanted to know, a whois is a poor way of getting info since the only public channel I idle in is that of my first organized wol KD, which you've correctly identified (but misspelled). We had a lot of fun, some 25 ages ago.

rofl why is everyone getting sensitive about dwarf kd strat. i can say my kd is 80% dwarfs, but we use different building strat for growth, war, and fw. and do you really believe anyone would share their kd plans in forum. yes dwarf is not good against tm or hybrid and require brute force to win wars. but if at least 2 skd uses dwarf as main attackers there must be good reasons.

And on a side note, does anyone expect to get strategy from forum where anyone can suggest things supported by good arguments? And you never know who is good player and who isn't. try it yourself and find out.

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cuz im really bored lol

but on a serious note, you did explain very well