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E_boko - I think we play in different leagues, the kds i played in would never just allow some random person to join without knowing nothing about them. It used to be quite a journey to get into good kds, besides I wasnt talking about now i was talking about before, like 9 years ago.
Awesome article!
so 9 years ago how did you get new players in to the traded provinces. nobody was known then.
Where did i say ghettos didnt trade?Quote:
LOL? It happened tons - trading was actually worse amongst ghettos, and it still is.
Yet majority of the kds on the server is ghettos that want better but cant cause they are in a impossible position.Quote:
Its real easy to get a kd as a brand new player. You get to play with new people and play in a kd that suits you. This is far superior to mehuls outdated vision, because its simply outdated.
Think i mentioned it already twice but lets try again, I was all for trading even when it was illegal.Quote:
Not allowing trading was never going to work, ever. The entire game was set up so that having all your slots played was vital.
So you just started playing, didnt know anyone in the game and suddely just got a chance to join Heretics? Heretics had even more low standards than i thought! ;)Quote:
Heretics did, irish slots/players were rare.
This game existed for 13 years by now, so 9 years back there is plenty of contact networks etc. You work your way up ofc, socialize etc.Quote:
so 9 years ago how did you get new players in to the traded provinces. nobody was known then.
takes way too long back then as opposed to now. a lot of ppl quit cause of that nonsense. present company included.
korp, you seem to be under the impression that every ghetto wants to be #1. That simply isn't true. A lot of people just want to play with like minded people they can have fun with, because they already know they will never get #1 and are 100% ok with it. This "everybody will just leave the ghettoes and go to the top kd's" argument has been proven over and over to be bogus. The people who leave ghettoes now were the ones who left them before as well. The difference is that before, if they didn't have any contacts, they defected around a bit and then quit the game. Now they at least have a chance (via recruitment forum/channels) to get into a kd that suits them.
A lot of people are fine with playing in crappy kd's, because they're not willing to invest the time to get better themselves. So instead they trade in a couple of friends (rl or internet) and just have some casual fun instead.
Again, Mehul's line + improved cheating detection => dead game
Luc - Nah, but you seem to think that a ghetto is a ghetto cause they want to be a ghetto?Quote:
korp, you seem to be under the impression that every ghetto wants to be #1. That simply isn't true.
I didnt say top kingds, i dont even think there is hardly any "top kingdoms" left in the game. I said better kingdoms, that includes alot of kingdoms. I agree its bogus, I could probably pick most of the "top kds" out there and play there but i did chose to play with my ghetto which had few people i liked instead.Quote:
This "everybody will just leave the ghettoes and go to the top kd's" argument has been proven over and over to be bogus.
When I talk ghettos i mean actual ghettos for once, not those mediocre kds. But just pure newbies in it, i dont understand how you think anyone would like to play in a kingdom where everyone is new to the game? Nobody has contacts when they started the game, they worked theire way up in the food chain, i did it.Quote:
The people who leave ghettoes now were the ones who left them before as well. The difference is that before, if they didn't have any contacts, they defected around a bit and then quit the game.
Because standards has been lowered, if this was back when the game was still prospering they still wouldnt have a chance.Quote:
Now they at least have a chance (via recruitment forum/channels) to get into a kd that suits them.
Again, its like people dont read what i write, or just decides to ignore parts. I am all for trading.Quote:
A lot of people are fine with playing in crappy kd's, because they're not willing to invest the time to get better themselves. So instead they trade in a couple of friends (rl or internet) and just have some casual fun instead.
Newsflash the game is pretty much dead already.Quote:
Again, Mehul's line + improved cheating detection => dead game
I honestly thinking all of the sneaking around with trading and scripting didn't do as much damage because when Blake caught you... you got deleted more times than not. This was a risk. It didn't give the smaller kingdoms the chance that they were hoping for it just made things easier for the top kingdoms.Quote:
Originally Posted by clark_kent
Korp, the games demise has been reported for years, yet here we are trucking away. Its possible that i've lost the gist of your argument, so ill just reiterate - not allowing trading up until recently was a bad game design that was inherently flawed.
Ghettos traded more.Quote:
Originally Posted by flutterby
Wonder if it's "dreams" or "nightmares"? :-)Quote:
I forwarded the Blake question to him - his response is: "I'm in Houston working for
the largest legal spend management company in the industry. I still have dreams of
deleting multis. :)"
I admin on a web game (not Utopia or anything related) and it gets very stressful deleting people, deciding who is guilty and deserves deleting and who doesn't.
It's no fun (unless you can be totally cold hearted about it, I also play the game and know some of the ones I have to delete, makes it hard) to decide who to delete.
well even now i wish they had never introduced invites but i am warming to it my comback to utopia this age was to join a kingdom via the forums and it must surely make your jobs easyier as there are less cheaters to deal withQuote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
i still love the idea of putting strangers together and having them work it out compared to the current system
did you know all the players in the kingdom you joined?Quote:
Originally Posted by dodge83
I was just making a point of randoming into a kd was what made utopia so much fun back in the days. I dont mind trading, i always been for it, even thou i think it was better when it was illegal but for other reasons. I was just pointing out there was some merits to answer #7 even thou other parts were wrong.Quote:
Its possible that i've lost the gist of your argument
Dont really think so, just that ghettos was more clumsy with their trading which ended in more visible cheating. "Top kingdoms" pretty much hade better part of their kds traded, never did ghettos have, at least not the ones i played in.Quote:
Ghettos traded more.
Back years ago the random stuff was fine, but that stopped being fun pretty fast really. And no, ghettos traded more (this was as of 3 years ago anyway) and they still do. Ghetto players dont care as much about losing a prov/slotQuote:
Originally Posted by Korp