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I really like these changes, although I believe halfers are much too weak.
This age they were a bit too weak to begin with and they lost +10% population, perfect intel, quickfeet, and townwatch in favor of +50% TPA and invisibility. This is a nerf to an already weak race.
Wouldn't it be nice if top-feeding replaced bottom-feeding for a while? Maybe smaller kingdoms would actually accept to go to war as opposed to spamming the CF button. Could make the game more interesting and competitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by DHaran
median or mean? it makes a BIG differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
Sure they "can", bcuz if enemy has high tpa or >WTs<, what u must do to avoid lets say beeing AWed to death, looses will be huge and tpa efficiency of avian is/will be very low.Quote:
Originally Posted by DHaran
I've been running extreme sci between wars as a rogue this age. It's doable without being sage.Quote:
Originally Posted by dusk
Agreed it makes a big difference, and mean would be preferable to median.Quote:
Originally Posted by Persain
Topfeeding is already stronger than bottomfeeding.... It's a common misconception that big provs hit small provs. A more accurate description is big provs hit BAD provs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tabuazero
Avian
+40 damage? An attacker race should not have more of a mod than a T/M race. Fae being 30, this should be max 25%. Reduce Elite cost to 675 if you feel you need to balance that reduction in op bonus.
Dwarf
Looks OK to me.
Elves
600 or 650 gc on the elite unless you are going to give the Quickfeet back. Give them back reflect magic.
Faery
I like it except for the spell book. I think faes should have full spells including MS. If you feel you need to, drop their bonus to +25% on all op parameters for it.
Halflings
Looking good, but give them back aggression too, so spells should be invisibility, town watch and aggression. I also think because of their elite they need a either the small population bonus (5%) or they need the 500 gc elite so they have space for homes.
Humans
I like the idea of the generalist race. I think people are going to shy away from it big time. I would prefer to see a 6/6 elite here for 750 gc with a 6.5 nw.
Orcs
Look good to me.
Undead
I am sad that you all caved to the Undead whiners about food. They have to eat something. I would like to see them have a small pop penalty if you are not going to make them have food. So, I would propose having a -20% sci penalty and a -5% pop penalty (since they keep eating their peasants)if they insist on the food thing.
I like all personalities but the Sage
Sage
needs more sci protection. Restore the -75% losses on learn attacks. Immunity to plague exchanged for the science discount is a MASSIVE NERF to this personality to then further nerf the protection and renerf the science effectiveness bonus is a screw job beyond the pale. So at least give them back the -75% protection. If you insist on taking away the research discount give them back the 30% effectiveness too.
Mechanics
Without knowing the specific chances of increasing the meter and the casualties on bounes I can?t say if the current bounce mechanic is fair or not. If losses are sufficiently nerfed on a bounce attack, then I am OK with this I guess, but I would prefer the simpler bounce = 1 point on the meter.
Good tweaks, I think most everything is fine. I have a hard time seeing how human can compete even with +10% pop, but the concept is fun. An improvement here would probably be good, war hero could also use a small extra. Faeries are more than fine, not giving them MS provides strategic choice (even if the new strong mystic still makes faery a bit too strong overall).
Orc is way too strong. Either tweak that elite value, to 8/2 (which is boring) or give them a proper drawback from having an awsome elite. The TPA/WPA decrease sounded nice. Or just make it a flat 50% WPA decrease. (They have Reflect Magic afterall)
Personalities just seem boring, nothing that really shines. Sages is worthless, same for clerics.
Don't know how you came up with all the numbers, very few of the selected races will actually be decent as it is
Better than what was initially proposed. I think personally give elf crystal ball or equivalent to get 100% intel in war (unique to elf only, not mystic/faery)
Faery needs,a massive nerf still. Not sure how that's still flying below the radar. Drastically overpowered this age and will continue to be as faery/rogue or fae/mystic
The WarriorQuote:
Originally Posted by DDodge
+1 General
+15% OME in war
Enhanced Conquest range
I see faeries as kind of weak now tbh... an undead warrior can easily conquest and if there is a chance to spread plague on top of that would easily make the faery a chain-able massacre target after 2/3 conquests. Especially with mixed in orcs dealing bloodlust etc with PFs against them. I recon in 5/6 massacares you could totally ruin a faeries TPA/WPA
Looking at it more I think it is really quite balanced. Only races I think need changing is +20% BE for dwarfs, remove credit raze or say they can raze for free too. Humans, not sure about there elites tbh. 6/5 elites would be better with 45% spell + thieve damage.
Love the updated game mechanics and changes. Thanks for the great effort. Just spicing up some more possibilities:
Avian
-25% Attack Time
+30% thievery damage
- 10% attack gains
No Access to Stables
Spell book: Town Watch, Vermin
Elite: 7/2, 700gc, 6.25NW
Dwarf
+ 15% BE
+ 30% Spell Damage (Instant Spells)
Free Building Construction
Can use credits to raze buildings
+ 50% Food consumption
Accelerated Construction not available
Spell book: Quick Feet, Fanaticism, Fools Gold, Clearsight
Elite: 7/3, 750gc, 6.5NW
Orcs
+20% gains
Can train elites with credits
-20% WPA and TPA
Spellbook: Bloodlust, Fanaticism, Aggression, Shadowlight, Reflect Magic
Elite: 9/2, 850gc, 7.25NW
The War Hero
+50% more bonuses from honor
-50% draft cost
-50% train time
Homes house 10 peasants instead of 8.
War hero does need a small buff. It's awfully weak right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elurin