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23-12-2015, 16:39
vlahul82

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Originally Posted by topsy's revenge

This age we drafted to about 1-2ppa on most provs yr 1 versus pyro and to -2ppa yr4(think it was 4?) versus emeriti. If you put in the effort you can get to 2-3ppa or thereabouts just in eowcf inbetween wars.

This is not much relevant since the size and the other numbers are also relevant.

For example, you overdrafted 1-2 ppa in year 1 - at what size? 400a? 600a?800a? It is quite relevant.

Beside that, what did you overdrafted? epa or specs? Also relevant.

And lastly: your 1-2 ppa overdrafted it is not any major advantace over a 65% drafted... you have what? 1-2 extra epa or ospa? do you really think that makes any difference? Going for a 50% homes drafting and after that destroying the homes is a mistake in my opinion.

Also, i do prefer to keep my homes in the war, have my own tactical reason.
23-12-2015, 16:39
SnirpsneR

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Originally Posted by vlahul82

In 4 weeks OOP you brag with a 12-15 EPA? SERIOUSLY?

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I forgot to answer to Godly on his build pump suggestion:

I prefer focusing on a single pump at a time rather than mixing wpa+epa since it takes longer. The 90% guilds vs 67% guilds you suggest is a huge difference for me, considering the wpa numbers i wish to have.

Lastly: I aim to be ready for war right after EOWCF minimum time, not to spawn the server with CF and have a 4 weeks pump like Zauper bragged it - which is pathetic anyway, having 12-15 epa within 4 weeks....is pathetic.

lol
23-12-2015, 16:40
jwuzi

pssst go wave them next age and show em whos boss!
23-12-2015, 16:41
SnirpsneR

Quote:

Originally Posted by vlahul82

This is not much relevant since the size and the other numbers are also relevant.

For example, you overdrafted 1-2 ppa in year 1 - at what size? 400a? 600a?800a? It is quite relevant.

Beside that, what did you overdrafted? epa or specs? Also relevant.

And lastly: your 1-2 ppa overdrafted it is not any major advantace over a 65% drafted... you have what? 1-2 extra epa or ospa? do you really think that makes any difference? Going for a 50% homes drafting and after that destroying the homes is a mistake in my opinion.

Also, i do prefer to keep my homes in the war, have my own tactical reason.

110% vs 65% is quite the difference=p
23-12-2015, 16:45
vlahul82

Quote:

Originally Posted by topsy's revenge

30.5 military/acre yr4 is pretty solid.

you have to pump 4 weeks to get that and it is not worthing in my opinion.

In those 4 weeks we have the capacity to war 4 times (if we find the needed wars). Assuming 2 wars in the 4 weeks and it should outgrow your long pump.

I have no need to do 2 pop/acre overdraft. I have those from bonuses, that's my leverage over you.

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The argue is futile, I can prove in a thousands ways that you are still breakable and your overdrafted makes the desertion much better.

OPA is never a problem in utopia, all provinces are breakable, even after 4 weeks pump and overdrafting.

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What I would personally to do such provinces, as you quoted?

Wave your kingdom without any notice and doing RAZES. About 5-6 per province, enough to lose 30-40% of their land. You will enter war with 4 provinces crippled already. First 12 hours they will be in protection again.
23-12-2015, 16:48
Sheister

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Originally Posted by Godly

Sheister yeah I would be down, but at that point in the game I don't think anyone would be able to both break me and still be in range.

If there is though I'd like to see the attack.

Whoever is 30K acres in BB or maybe our 20K acre guy could do it if we manage all the troops and the NW's right. Meh, we'll see. Actually, we can probably rig it so that we do it the hour before the last hour. So the hitters troops and buildings all come in that tick and yours come in the following tick. That way the only real NW loss is on the sci.
23-12-2015, 16:49
SnirpsneR

Quote:

Originally Posted by vlahul82

you have to pump 4 weeks to get that and it is not worthing in my opinion.

In those 4 weeks we have the capacity to war 4 times (if we find the needed wars). Assuming 2 wars in the 4 weeks and it should outgrow your long pump.

I have no need to do 2 pop/acre overdraft. I have those from bonuses, that's my leverage over you.

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The argue is futile, I can prove in a thousands ways that you are still breakable and your overdrafted makes the desertion much better.

OPA is never a problem in utopia, all provinces are breakable, even after 4 weeks pump and overdrafting.

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What I would personally to do such provinces, as you quoted?

Wave your kingdom without any notice and doing RAZES. About 5-6 per province, enough to lose 30-40% of their land. You will enter war with 4 provinces crippled already. First 12 hours they will be in protection again.

we didnt pump 4 weeks. we had conflict before it as well.
23-12-2015, 16:54
jwuzi

Shhh vlahul don't tell them your plans. You should just do it. Don't be like the James Bond villians, be like Samuel L.J in Kingsmen
23-12-2015, 16:55
Korp

I didnt think it was possible to find someone more cocky than Godly but vlahul sure is getting there pretty fast. Especially consider he hasnt done anything noteworthy.
23-12-2015, 16:59
vlahul82

Be sure that I ain't tell them any of our "real leverage".

However, the topic was about "how overpowered is dwarf/sage or merchant".

I made my arguments of why it is the "slowest" and "less war capable" race.

For all the fatty lazy dwarves out there: do you really expect to pump 5000 BPA and explore to 17k acres with everybody sitting around and aplauding you?

Get real, I could very well post the same "utopic model" with a prince/war hero and Elf, Human or even Halfer that can uphold 400-600 OPA and 150-300 DPA.

What would your "dream dwarf" do about that? You barelly can pull 150 opa to brake this model defense with army out. Not to mention you can get quaded without the possibility to retal back.

What would you do against a 600 OPA province with 150 dpa home (army out)? That is the same "idealistic" model as your Dwarf/Sage in end of age.

LE: here is a Human model, with 600 opa, same 5k bpa:

http://potato.umunk.net/index.php?p=...rov&saved=1453

It beats your dwarf anytime, and you can't even retal back.

Here it is a halfer:

http://potato.umunk.net/index.php?p=...rov&saved=1454

140 dpa home with army out. Will double your dwarf and can't do anything about it. Without forts... adding 15-20% forts will get close to 200 dpa.

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Any orc, undead and EVEN faery can do that.

Here is a faery with 150 dpa home / army out:

ttp://potato.umunk.net/index.php?p=tools/prov&saved=1455

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Warrior instead War Hero has the aproximative same capacity (a bit less DPA, but not signifiantly).

PS: there is NO FORTS, adding a 15-20% forts will make it 200 DPA with army out - like 200 opa out.

So: double your pathetic dwarf is quite easy, even triple/quad is possible>>>> and you can't retaliate back.

Also consider a Topfeeding model, with a 40% smaller province feeding on your dwarf. You will never get your land back and might not even be able to retal back.
23-12-2015, 17:01
Korp

Quote:

Originally Posted by vlahul82

Be sure that I ain't tell them any of our "real leverage".

However, the topic was about "how overpowered is dwarf/sage or merchant".

I made my arguments of why it is the "slowest" and "less war capable" race.

For all the fatty lazy dwarves out there: do you really expect to pump 5000 BPA and explore to 17k acres with everybody sitting around and aplauding you?

Get real, I could very well post the same "utopic model" with a prince/war hero and Elf, Human or even Halfer that can uphold 400-600 OPA and 150-300 DPA.

What would your "dream dwarf" can do about that?

What would you do against a 600 OPA province with 150 dpa home (army out)? That is the same "idealistic" model as your Dwarf/Sage in end of age.

Show me that province will ya, show me anything that you speak about and we can talk. But so far anything you spew out is theoritical that is a lot of bull**** coming from you.. :)
23-12-2015, 17:02
SnirpsneR

Quote:

Originally Posted by vlahul82

Be sure that I ain't tell them any of our "real leverage".

However, the topic was about "how overpowered is dwarf/sage or merchant".

I made my arguments of why it is the "slowest" and "less war capable" race.

For all the fatty lazy dwarves out there: do you really expect to pump 5000 BPA and explore to 17k acres with everybody sitting around and aplauding you?

Get real, I could very well post the same "utopic model" with a prince/war hero and Elf, Human or even Halfer that can uphold 400-600 OPA and 150-300 DPA.

What would your "dream dwarf" can about that? You barelly can pull 150 opa to brake this model defense with army out. Not to mention you can get quaded without the possibility to retal back.

What would you do against a 600 OPA province with 150 dpa home (army out)? That is the same "idealistic" model as your Dwarf/Sage in end of age.

So i am 12k acres, attacked till 10k and only explored the last 2k yesterday and have 3500 bpa. So what does exploring have to do with it?
23-12-2015, 17:04
jwuzi

DON'T LISTEN TO SNIRSNOOB

I saw him explore twice on his dwarf. He's a cheater like the rest of em
23-12-2015, 17:05
SnirpsneR

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Originally Posted by jwuzi

DON'T LISTEN TO SNIRSNOOB

I saw him explore twice on his dwarf. He's a cheater like the rest of em

U should go and learn a calculator! Mr over explore
23-12-2015, 17:07
Korp

But its true, Rens dont know how to attack, hes always stealing from pool.

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